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Just saw three different LNP ads in the space of 3 minutes while sitting here donating blood. Haven't seen a single add for someone else all hour. QLD is going to vote them in for sure.
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Lol, Labor hacks on my FB feed criticizing the Greens for refusing to allocate preferences in marginal seats (can someone a bit more in the know fill me in on this?) AND for getting Adam Bandt to come up and show his curtains to prove that DST won't fade their curtains. Apparently it's patronising. (it's not. I've listened to enough talkback radio to know that there are a lot of people who actually do believe that DST will fade their curtains).
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Jan 28, 2015 05:31
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starkebn posted:Just saw three different LNP ads in the space of 3 minutes while sitting here donating blood. Haven't seen a single add for someone else all hour.  "Hey kids, want some strong choices?"
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Jan 28, 2015 05:33
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norp posted:Wow, the Sir Prince thing even has Paul Murray editorialising that it's one-term-tony. I guarantee it wouldn't have happened to anywhere near the same extent without that tweet from Murdoch. On one hand, there's great schadenfreude to be had, and the fact that Tones is expending political capital on something that's completely meaningless is great. On the other hand, it's incredibly hosed precisely because it's meaningless. How is THIS the thing that has caused the public and the media to turn on him. How many incredibly damaging hosed up things has Tony done that could severely damage the future of Australia? Free pass for those. But dare to make an incredibly out of touch, but ultimately harmless gesture of worship to the royals? That's just going too far.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:35
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Shakugan posted:I guarantee it wouldn't have happened to anywhere near the same extent without that tweet from Murdoch. Pretty much what I have been thinking. Breaking every election promise and causing real suffering to thousands of people is fine, but some relatively harmless but ill-thought out gesture results in media evisceration.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:41
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Shakugan posted:I guarantee it wouldn't have happened to anywhere near the same extent without that tweet from Murdoch. It's more of a case of the straw that breaks the Camel's back, he has been on very thin ice since the great Medicare fuckup earlier this month.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:47
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It's a pretty bleak reflection on the quality of the average Australian that it wasn't inhumane asylum seeker treatment, privatizing and deregulating education and health, slashing welfare, tearing down the NBN, giving the finger to the environment, introducing draconian police and ASIO anti-terrorism powers as well as the endless list of cuts to vital social, scientific and arts institutions that really broke the camels back. None of that poo poo made any of the rusted-on liberals sit up and really think, this is a bit crook, but rather something entirely inane and (in practicality) essentially a non-event on account of how 'un-Australian' it is. efb
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Jan 28, 2015 05:48
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Jan 28, 2015 05:53
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Lizard Combatant posted:You bumpkin mush-heads are going to re-elect Newman, I can just feel it. No. I fully expect a hung parliament to ALP minority. My brain just cannot accept otherwise. 
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Jan 28, 2015 05:54
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cpaf posted:It's a pretty bleak reflection on the quality of the average Australian that it wasn't inhumane asylum seeker treatment, privatizing and deregulating education and health, slashing welfare, tearing down the NBN, giving the finger to the environment, introducing draconian police and ASIO anti-terrorism powers as well as the endless list of cuts to vital social, scientific and arts institutions that really broke the camels back. None of that poo poo made any of the rusted-on liberals sit up and really think, this is a bit crook, but rather something entirely inane and (in practicality) essentially a non-event on account of how 'un-Australian' it is. This is a glimpse at what Abbott really wants, and what he'd do more of if he could.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:54
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Anidav posted:No. I fully expect a hung parliament to ALP minority. My brain just cannot accept otherwise. Labor win and Hung Parliament both paying $6. Where's the value for the lower probability? 
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Jan 28, 2015 06:01
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Anidav posted:No. I fully expect a hung parliament to ALP minority. My brain just cannot accept otherwise. Speaking of which, there is a massive ad screen outside Toowong Village (so people using Coronation Drive can see it). There are a few political ads that come up on it, but my favourite is the one that's a black background, with the words "HUNG PARLIAMENT. CHAOS." in white (authorised, I'm assuming, by LNP hack, Brisbane). Which is hilarious when you consider that Julia Gillard's government managed to pass a ton of quality legislation while dealing with a hung parliament. So basically what the LNP are saying is that they're incapable of negotiation. tbh, I would love a hung parliament because it means there might be an ounce if bipartisanship/meaninful review of our legislation. Imagine that: a QLD government actually having to negotiate with indie/Green MPs to get legislation passed. it's more likely to be PUP or KAP MPs but a girl can dream 
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Jan 28, 2015 06:01
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Mithranderp posted:Lol, Labor hacks on my FB feed criticizing the Greens for refusing to allocate preferences in marginal seats (can someone a bit more in the know fill me in on this?) AND for getting Adam Bandt to come up and show his curtains to prove that DST won't fade their curtains. Apparently it's patronising. DST? Like, daylight savings? 
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Jan 28, 2015 06:03
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Jumpingmanjim posted:It's more of a case of the straw that breaks the Camel's back, he has been on very thin ice since the great Medicare fuckup earlier this month. It's definitely the thing that's finally turned the media against him, but yeah, he's been gradually getting looked at worse and worse as things have gone on. I'd guess that it might be seen as this huge, horrid mess because it's something that the media can safely lambast him for while still flying the Liberal flag; if they criticized him for the Medicare stuff then they're probably going to get called out for it when it comes back and they start spruiking it again. But this poo poo's so ultimately harmless that they can capitalize on the public's widespread anti-Abbott sentiment without actually having to back it up later. It's also, possibly, a way to try to get rid of him. This sort of gently caress-up is so quintessentially Abbott that we can only sling poo poo at him for it. It's not going to happen if/when they turf him for Morrison, Hockey, Turnbull, Bishop, Bishop, Pyne, Dutton, Truss, or whoever the gently caress gets to win that tussle over the seat. It only exists as a wedge against the dead weight that is Abbott.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:05
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I for one am shocked that the Human Rights Commission would be biased in favour of human rights.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:05
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Tommofork posted:DST? Like, daylight savings? What else has the power to fade curtains?
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Jan 28, 2015 06:06
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cpaf posted:It's a pretty bleak reflection on the quality of the average Australian that it wasn't inhumane asylum seeker treatment, privatizing and deregulating education and health, slashing welfare, tearing down the NBN, giving the finger to the environment, introducing draconian police and ASIO anti-terrorism powers as well as the endless list of cuts to vital social, scientific and arts institutions that really broke the camels back. None of that poo poo made any of the rusted-on liberals sit up and really think, this is a bit crook, but rather something entirely inane and (in practicality) essentially a non-event on account of how 'un-Australian' it is. In my opinion this is pretty much what happened to the ALP. Never mind the actual performance/quality of the government, the only important thing is that Gillard was a "back-stabber" therefore it was the worst government ever. Certainly not defending them too much though, but they certainly did worse things than change leader a few times.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:09
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Tommofork posted:DST? Like, daylight savings? Upon arriving in Queensland airspace yesterday I was advised to turn my watch back 30 years.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:10
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Palmersaurus posted:I for one am shocked that the Human Rights Commission would be biased in favour of human rights. Lets have an inquiry into something we don't like, with the intention of abolishing it due to bias. Something in this case is the Australian loving Goddamn Human loving Rights commission. Jesus loving christ. How the gently caress, what the gently caress. I am inconsolably furious over this. Yet loving knighting someone is the poo poo that sticks. I think you're right, it's the way to criticise Abbott without criticising the Libs, because they want to condemn their publicly toxic leader without condemning their lovely terrible policies.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:10
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No really, there are people allowed to vote who believe adopting daylight savings will fade their curtains? Also gently caress the libs and there penchant for going after anybody that rightly calls them out as human garbage.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:17
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Those things aren't especially unique to Abbott though. Replace him with Bishop, Turnbull or Morrison and almost all of them would still happen. They're bad policies but they're not inherently unpopular (and imprisoning and torturing refugees certainly isn't). I think a certain level of burgeoning depravity in conservative policy over the last decade can be attributed directly to Tony Abbott's leadership, in the same way he has sought to imitate his political dad John Howard, and I think that particular comparison also supports the idea that Tony Abbott's crudeness and crash-or-crash-through style has been essentially tolerated by the electorate over the last five years compared to Howard's more subtle-yet-evil style which was openly embraced in the period after the GST up until Work Choices. If Turnbull had been leader of the opposition since 2009 I sincerely doubt the treatment of asylum seekers would have continued to spiral so badly into the gutter, and I don't think malicious bullies like Morrison or Dutton or Mirabella would have been promoted so heavily and I don't think the spineless career types like Bishop and Hockey and Pyne would have so voraciously pursued the disciplined combative style in opposition either. Turnbull or Hockey would have never come as close to forming government in 2010 either I guess If the coalition were to act so drastically as to replace their leader I'm sure they would abandon, at least ostensibly, some of their most unpopular policies as a show of good faith. Things wouldn't sincerely improve of course, but they would probably dump things like the co-payment and the university deregulation completely, as well as (obviously) PPL.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:22
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Tommofork posted:No really, there are people allowed to vote who believe adopting daylight savings will fade their curtains? http://www.nodaylightsavingqld.com/
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Jan 28, 2015 06:23
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The number of people who actually believe daylight saving fades curtains is small enough to be irrelevant. I don't understand how it's become a left/right issue either, the whole debate is just pathetic.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:29
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I have a fund raising idea. How about every single vote your party gets if you win government causes you to pay $7 to healthcare for all Australians. Literally the only way to argue against this is that you say you hate Australians for voting for you or something.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:30
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Shakugan posted:I guarantee it wouldn't have happened to anywhere near the same extent without that tweet from Murdoch. People will rationalise all sorts of dumb positions on big important issues because they're not informed enough to have real opinions and will just assume that the people in power know what they're talking about, at least nominally, but stupid positions on trivial matters like knighthood are easy to have opinions about because they're shallow and completely unambiguous.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:32
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The opposition to daylight savings in WA and QLD is a complete mystery to me.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:32
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Hurman Rights 'bias': questioning a program of locking up people indefinitely, without charge or conviction, denying them access to the justice system, all in worse conditions than convicted criminals
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Jan 28, 2015 06:32
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Vladimir Poutine posted:The opposition to daylight savings in WA and QLD is a complete mystery to me. Mate it upsets the cows.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:37
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Yeah, I don't really get the opposition to daylight savings either. It kind of annoys me for two days a year, but that's basically it, I don't know if there's even a proper argument otherwise.cpaf posted:I think a certain level of burgeoning depravity in conservative policy over the last decade can be attributed directly to Tony Abbott's leadership, in the same way he has sought to imitate his political dad John Howard, and I think that particular comparison also supports the idea that Tony Abbott's crudeness and crash-or-crash-through style has been essentially tolerated by the electorate over the last five years compared to Howard's more subtle-yet-evil style which was openly embraced in the period after the GST up until Work Choices. If Turnbull had been leader of the opposition since 2009 I sincerely doubt the treatment of asylum seekers would have continued to spiral so badly into the gutter, and I don't think malicious bullies like Morrison or Dutton or Mirabella would have been promoted so heavily and I don't think the spineless career types like Bishop and Hockey and Pyne would have so voraciously pursued the disciplined combative style in opposition either. Turnbull or Hockey would have never come as close to forming government in 2010 either I guess And I can definitely agree with that. The LNP's approach over the Abbott years has been as bullheaded as he is, basically going full-pelt instead of taking it slow and steady. That actually worked really well for them in opposition, when they could just scream 'NO!' at the top of their lungs for years on end and have it actually work, but they don't have the subtlety to pull anything off when they've actually got power.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:43
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Jan 28, 2015 06:51
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You see, there's more sunlight with daylight savings and we can't let ordinary mum and dad battlers get skin cancer so there
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Jan 28, 2015 06:52
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:People will rationalise all sorts of dumb positions on big important issues because they're not informed enough to have real opinions and will just assume that the people in power know what they're talking about, at least nominally, but stupid positions on trivial matters like knighthood are easy to have opinions about because they're shallow and completely unambiguous. To paraphrase the example that gave it that name, if a committee is established to discuss funding for a new nuclear power plant, they'll spend more time discussing the location, material and location of a $500 shed for the employees' bikes than the $10 billion nuclear plant itself, because $10 billion is an unfathomable amount of money and discussing it requires major technical expertise, while everyone knows enough about bike sheds to participate in that discussion. Maybe they can even save $50 if they really put in the effort! Also I agree with your suggestion that it's having an effect here. University funding, taxes and regulation, and health policy all require effort and research to come to an informed opinion. Knighting a duke on the other side of the planet is just plain dumb and anyone can see that. T-1000 fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Leo Showers posted:Daylight savings would lead to an increased risk of skin cancer I read this and lost it.
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cpaf posted:If Turnbull had been leader of the opposition since 2009 I sincerely doubt the treatment of asylum seekers would have continued to spiral so badly into the gutter, Turnbull fully supports all LNP policies and has done sweet FA to oppose any of them, in fact he has helped champion them. But a myth persists that he is 'the good Liberal'.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:59
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Vladimir Poutine posted:The opposition to daylight savings in WA and QLD is a complete mystery to me. It's complicated. A major part is due to the size of our state.
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Whether SA should stick stubbornly to our half hour behind timezone or bite the bullet and switch to EST is something that businesses occasionally bring up here, but most people ignore them
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Jan 28, 2015 07:02
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V for Vegas posted:Turnbull fully supports all LNP policies and has done sweet FA to oppose any of them, in fact he has helped champion them. But a myth persists that he is 'the good Liberal'. This. He's complicit in all the nasty stuff, gutless but somehow condescendingly smug if at all challenged on what he's responsible for. I honestly don't see how people like him.
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V for Vegas posted:Turnbull fully supports all LNP policies and has done sweet FA to oppose any of them, in fact he has helped champion them. But a myth persists that he is 'the good Liberal'.
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, I don't really get the opposition to daylight savings either. It kind of annoys me for two days a year, but that's basically it, I don't know if there's even a proper argument otherwise. Doesn't it make sense to oppose something that vaguely annoys you though? Especially if you weren't aware of the actual positives of it. Jamus fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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V for Vegas posted:Turnbull fully supports all LNP policies and has done sweet FA to oppose any of them, in fact he has helped champion them. But a myth persists that he is 'the good Liberal'. When I handed out HTVs last election, the more talkative liberals doing the same were confident that Turnbull would turf Tony within 12 months, and this is only a couple of electorates away from Tony's and very similar in a lot of ways. Turnbull really appeals to the kind of upper-middle-class LNP supporter who cares about the environment as well as paying lower taxes. *sorry to keep citing wikipedia for all my opinions, I think I have a problem
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