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WoodrowSkillson posted:James Bond strides into the cocktail party, his tuxedo ill fitting and poorly cut due to his breasts and short stature. He swiftly moves into a back room, and uses a watch too large for his wrist to shoot a laser through the safe holding the documents. On his way out he speaks with his mexican accent to a woman on the way out, charming her to avoid detection of his theft, though she stands half a head higher him in her high heeled shoes compared to his men's dress shoes. U mad. Where did I say that the movie had to be shittily done? You can get new props and costumes to fit new actors. Pretty sure they got all new stuff when Craig became bond. Why are you trying to hard to avoid saying "We must secure the existence of our characters and a future for White actors"? Crain fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Jan 29, 2015 20:14
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Crain posted:U mad. Hamfisting a genderswitch in a very well established movies based off of classic novels is lazy and it would bomb hard because you'd have to totally rewrite the character of Bond. Rather than try and hamfist women into established good series film makers should start getting creative again and make new & original movies. Elba is black by the way. You brought up gender. If you can't understand this you've got problems, but I guess you've already lost by saying "U mad". Here's an idea Hollywood could stop making actually work on doing some original stuff rather then trying to rehash old movies or hamfist current movies. Fluo fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Jan 29, 2015 20:23
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Gravel Gravy posted:There's also a reference to his dead wife in License to Kill with Dalton. And they make mention of Bond being an orphan in Goldeneye with Brosnan and Casino Royale with Craig. James Bonds are all orphans, raised by a "family" of James Bonds, which has an estate. They occasionally marry women who also share a code name. Crain posted:Or we could just have a woman play Bond and change nothing and just let the actor/actress act. I'd actually really like to a movie/show/play where a female actress plays a male character as a male character (or the opposite). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uuE7aOJ-TA
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Fluo posted:Hamfisting a genderswitch in a very well established movies based off of classic novels is lazy and it would bomb hard because you'd have to totally rewrite the character of Bond. Rather than try and hamfist women into established good series film makers should start getting creative again and make new & original movies. Elba is black by the way. You brought up gender. If you can't understand this you've got problems, but I guess you've already lost by saying "U mad". I wasn't specifically saying "We should have Bond be a woman". Just that I feel that too a point actors should be allowed to act without things like race and gender straight up precluding them from roles. Bringing gender up though does have different issues and I probably should have avoided that. It was just a "avant-garde" idea I had when it came to a female actor playing a male role and everyone ignoring the fact that actor was female. Also way to miss my point. I was saying to not rewrite anything. Just have someone who is not a while british male play Bond. Just let the acting do it's job. No need to "ham-fist" anything to "excuse" a woman or a black man playing Bond, just have them play Bond. But still his counter of "loving whatever just do everything poorly because there's a woman in a man's role" was a terrible one. Crain fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Jan 29, 2015 20:33
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Fluo posted:Hamfisting a genderswitch in a very well established movies based off of classic novels is lazy and it would bomb hard because you'd have to totally rewrite the character of Bond. Rather than try and hamfist women into established good series film makers should start getting creative again and make new & original movies. Elba is black by the way. You brought up gender. If you can't understand this you've got problems, but I guess you've already lost by saying "U mad". Here's an idea Hollywood could stop making actually work on doing some original stuff rather then trying to rehash old movies or hamfist current movies. Ham-fisted is not a past tense verb.
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Crain posted:U mad. I'm so mad that I wrote a joke, that's how mad I am. You literally said change nothing and have the woman play the part. If you put her a suit cut for a woman, you are already changing things by visually addressing the fact its a woman not a man. Can only a woman who is tall and able to do drag easily play the part? Or would Christina Hendricks be allowed on? Would she still be chauvinistic towards women? Would this be addressed during a sex scene where both participants are obviously women? This is one thing in a play, wherein the audience already is using their imagination to fill in details and scenery, and roles are played by both genders more often. In a movie, its a whole other deal and would visually look strange and jarring to most viewers and would amount to an art film. This is not even for re envisioning the character as a woman. Is Bond now a lesbian or are all the bond girls now cast as men? Is moneypenny still always flirting with her, or is it now a male role? Etc Etc Etc. James Bond is an English born man who works for MI6 and is known for being chauvinistic, violent, roguish, charming, and represents various ways of creating a male sex symbol/masculine ideal. Idris Elba fits the bill spectacularly. Schwarzenegger does not , nor does Antonio Banderas, or Seth Rogan, or Salma Hayek, or Angelina Jolie. Instead of doing all of this, why not get creative and create a new property instead of shoehorning people into existing roles. There is no reason we can't have a woman superspy, women action heroes, women in all types of roles.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:I'm so mad that I wrote a joke, that's how mad I am. Cause U mad is totally a serious allegation as well. Stop being pedantic. I was talking about not trying to make story rewrites to "excuse" the fact that James Bond is a woman/black/whatever now. No simplistic poo poo like having decent costumes. Jesus loving Christ stop trying to goddamned hard. It was an off the cuff idea, not a dissertation on the nature of theater and acting. Actually fine, let's go through this why the gently caress not. (next post) Crain fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Jan 29, 2015 20:44
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Ham-fisted is not a past tense verb. What would you recommend for a past, present and future word for it?
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I don't find the new ghostbusters very appealing. Just doesn't seem like a concept worth remaking because it was honestly the Actors that made the movie, and not vice versa. I find the other women cast to in it to be not very funny.( With the exception of Melissa McCarthy who I think could easily be a great comedic actress and be this generations John Candy if she was put in some good enough movies.) I'd be a bit more excited for the idea if it was someone like Kristen Schaal (who owns and is hilarious) over Wiig. Wiig is loving awful. I DO find the idea of Idris Elba as James Bond VERY appealing. I'd buy a ticket for that in a loving heartbeat.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:
Considering the fact that Daniel Craig is on average 4in shorter than all the other Bond actors (5'10" vs 6'2" ave.) should he have been precluded? Also why call it drag? Women wear suits and pants these days as well. As far as Christina Hendricks, she's not that much shorter than Craig is shorter than the rest of the Bonds so why not? quote:Would she still be chauvinistic towards women? That's what the character of James Bond is. So yes. quote:Would this be addressed during a sex scene where both participants are obviously women? Why would it? Remember the idea is that the actress is playing a male role. In character it's a heterosexual sex scene. quote:This is one thing in a play, wherein the audience already is using their imagination to fill in details and scenery, and roles are played by both genders more often. In a movie, its a whole other deal and would visually look strange and jarring to most viewers and would amount to an art film. That was basically my point. It's an experiment. Also films still involve plenty of "filling in the blanks" and suspension of disbelief. Jurassic Park didn't have real Dinos, Bradley Cooper didn't actually kill anyone in American Sniper. Is it a step up from what is usually "accepted" in film? Yes. But I'd like to see how it plays out. quote:This is not even for re envisioning the character as a woman. Is Bond now a lesbian or are all the bond girls now cast as men? Is moneypenny still always flirting with her, or is it now a male role? Etc Etc Etc. No, Bond is the same Bond as usual, just played by a female. The rest of the roles can either be cast as usual or flipped as well. quote:James Bond is an English born man who works for MI6 and is known for being chauvinistic, violent, roguish, charming, and represents various ways of creating a male sex symbol/masculine ideal. Idris Elba fits the bill spectacularly. Schwarzenegger does not , nor does Antonio Banderas, or Seth Rogan, or Salma Hayek, or Angelina Jolie. And the character of James Bond always will be. But the actor doesn't have to be. That's my point. quote:Instead of doing all of this, why not get creative and create a new property instead of shoehorning people into existing roles. There is no reason we can't have a woman superspy, women action heroes, women in all types of roles. You can still do that. I just don't think that the Identity of the character HAS to be the same as the actor portraying it.
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Crain posted:Or we could just have a woman play Bond and change nothing and just let the actor/actress act. I'd actually really like to a movie/show/play where a female actress plays a male character as a male character (or the opposite). I'm Not There was cool
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Crain posted:
Sure Jurassic Park didn't have real dinosaurs but the filmmakers didn't decide to use alligators as an alternative. Edit: Your argument is fine as a hypothetical to be sure, though when you start trying to turn a James Bond film into college art film #567-A kinda losing scope. Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Gravel Gravy posted:Sure Jurassic Park didn't have real dinosaurs but the filmmakers didn't decide to use alligators as an alternative. If I were saying to sub in a macaque in for bond and just pretend acting was happening this would be a parallel. However I'm not saying that.
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Crain posted:If I were saying to sub in a macaque in for bond and just pretend acting was happening this would be a parallel. However I'm not saying that. Why not? You don't think if you strapped a t-bone to Jeff Goldblum's leg that the alligator wouldn't chase him?
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Jamie Bond sounds like it'd be almost as entertaining as all the meltdowns and cries of misandry that would result. I say go for it Hollywood.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Coming in 2016, a remake of Alien with Ripley played by Vin Diesel I'd like to see Vin Diesel play the xenomorph. Not mocap, or in a costume or anything, have the xenomorphs literally be just Vin Diesel running around in his normal clothes but still acting like one, tiny jaw inside larger jaw and acid blood and everything.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Why not? You don't think if you strapped a t-bone to Jeff Goldblum's leg that the alligator wouldn't chase him? What? What loving point are you trying to make by ignoring the whole rest of my post and shifting the focus on your terrible parallel of Crocodillia Park?
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Crain posted:What? What loving point are you trying to make by ignoring the whole rest of my post and shifting the focus on your terrible parallel of Crocodillia Park? Speaking of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmH0PP_zAKo I'm saying your idea is a fine thought exercise but has no practical merit.
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People getting mad about the idea of an actress playing male James Bond is hilarious because of theater's long loving history of dudes playing female characters.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Speaking of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmH0PP_zAKo Ok, we agree. Let's hug it out again.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Sure Jurassic Park didn't have real dinosaurs but the filmmakers didn't decide to use alligators as an alternative. Casting a women as the lead in an action film immediately makes it a college art film. Got it.
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Who What Now posted:Casting a women as the lead in an action film immediately makes it a college art film. Got it. Yeah, reading comprehension is pretty difficult.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Yeah, reading comprehension is pretty difficult. Maybe people continuously responding to the dumb poo poo you've been posting like that is less a matter of reading comprehension and more a matter of you making terrible arguments.
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I got this article on my facebook about the proprietor of a range in Arkansas that uses the FFL laws about rejecting sales to anyone you think may be using a gun to commit a crime to ban Muslims from her gun range and her business is way up with people trying to give her money for a legal defense fund despite nobody starting a legal challenge to that. http://www.ijreview.com/2015/01/241...campaign=Nation I hate people.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Maybe people continuously responding to the dumb poo poo you've been posting like that is less a matter of reading comprehension and more a matter of you making terrible arguments. Or perhaps some of you are just in a rush to get offended. Hell the same guy started hollering at me despite us agreeing on the same idea from the outset. Pull your head out of your rear end, take a deep breath, relax, and stop being so hostile. Edit: Who What Now posted:I don't remember this, but you probably deserved it. Yeah, all this hate because I happen to believe a black guy can play Bond/Peter Pan. I'm a monster. Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Fluo posted:What would you recommend for a past, present and future word for it? The word you're looking for is shoehorned / shoehorn / shoehorning
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Luigi Thirty posted:I got this article on my facebook about the proprietor of a range in Arkansas that uses the FFL laws about rejecting sales to anyone you think may be using a gun to commit a crime to ban Muslims from her gun range and her business is way up with people trying to give her money for a legal defense fund despite nobody starting a legal challenge to that. Remember: There is no such thing as Anti-Muslim backlash according to the rightwing. Anything evidence to the contrary is just liberal faggotry.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Or perhaps some of you are just in a rush to get offended. Hell the same guy started hollering at me despite us agreeing on the same idea from the outset. I don't remember this, but you probably deserved it. 
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Vin Diesel in an Aliens reboot. gently caress yes! Here have some awful people:  My favorite part is this: Paul Itician posted:We can tell who the ones are abusing the system yet we do not speak out against it. Often we agree with their complaints aiding them to remain motionless instead of helping them take steps to move forward. Oh we can, can we? I wonder how so? I wonder why you wouldn't speak out against it if it's such a big issue to you? Note, "Barry Dalive" is the Obama-votin' liberal here. And just because of how many times I've wanted to post it to his wall(because he's a huge dick). Tom Foolery posted this the night of the 2012 election and promptly deactivated his account until a few months ago. 
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Who What Now posted:Casting a women as the lead in an action film immediately makes it a college art film. Got it. He was talking specifically about casting a woman as a heterosexual cisgender male lead in an action film.
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Kit Walker posted:People getting mad about the idea of an actress playing male James Bond is hilarious because of theater's long loving history of dudes playing female characters. Also, isn't Peter Pan often if not mostly played by women?
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Fluo posted:Hamfisting a genderswitch in a very well established movies based off of classic novels is lazy and it would bomb hard because you'd have to totally rewrite the character of Bond. Rather than try and hamfist women into established good series film makers should start getting creative again and make new & original movies. Elba is black by the way. You brought up gender. If you can't understand this you've got problems, but I guess you've already lost by saying "U mad". Here's an idea Hollywood could stop making actually work on doing some original stuff rather then trying to rehash old movies or hamfist current movies. If every hellthread regular was permabanned nothing would be lost.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Pull your head out of your rear end, take a deep breath, relax, and stop being so hostile. I am baffled how anyone could say this without realizing how asinine it is.
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Trilas posted:Also, isn't Peter Pan often if not mostly played by women? Peter Pan is played by women because Peter Pan is an intentionally semi-androgynous tween boy with a significant amount of relatively-high-voiced singing to do. An adult woman is typically a better choice for that particular demanding role than an actual 12-year-old boy. Casting a woman as a grown man in a role that specifically demands a grown man to play the character is taking "why not make it a woman" a bit too far, imo - if we want a lavish high-budget superspy movie about a woman, we need to make one, not redefine an existing character as something else, especially if we're just going to look at it and go "NOPE THAT WOMAN PLAYS A PERFECTLY FINE GROWN MAN WHAT DO YOU MEAN <sticks fingers in ears>". I get needing more diversity. I'm a woman, I'd love to see more badass women. But I don't think an existing franchise that has decades of lore that's almost entirely steeped in Bond being a man is the place to do it. Sarah Jones, superspy for MI12 and her adventures around the world, sure. James Bond as played by Kirsten Dunst pretending to be a man is ridiculous.
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Shut the ever living gently caress up
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I want a woman James Bond now, purely for the manchild tears.
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Sweet loving poo poo does this thread go off the rails sometimes. If we didn't have emergency dumps of LL101 I wonder if this thread would ever be anything but... this.
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Zeitgueist posted:I want a woman James Bond now, purely for the manchild tears. Bond.... Jane Bond.
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