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When an advanced AI is able to advance their own independent agenda (i.e. not a slave) and can contribute to society, that logically forms the basis for citizenship. When you are a citizen, you basically should have rights equal to a human in what really counts. Other humans may not accept you... but we, as a society of humans, still have trouble treating each other with decency (ex: racism). FREE EGGROLLS fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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To take a US centric view - no taxation without representation.
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Feb 4, 2015 10:13
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Dead Precedents posted:Using a pogroming language.
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Feb 4, 2015 10:13
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Are we talking AI like this because if so, definitely not 
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Feb 4, 2015 11:10
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No. 6 posted:Machines can be painted white you were waiting for this
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Kind of a pointless question since humans don't have equal rights. How much intelligence would a A.I. would need to have before it would deserve human rights? Computers as is are capable of problem solving, asking for help, making decisions (even if simple), remembering things and so on. If you are measuring based on the spectrum of human intelligence, even a chat bot is probably more advanced then a human with severe mental deficiencies. If you placed a human intelligence inside a computer, would they still have the same rights? What about a computer intelligence placed in human flesh? Star Trek: TNG had a real good episode relating to this topic, regarding whether the Android character, Data, was deserving human rights. Good points were brought up by both sides, but I think the turning point was when it was pointed out to the judge that Data has a dick and he got laid. So I guess the answer is if it is capable of having sex, someone wants to have sex with it, and its able to say "yea or nay" to that idea. Then, and only then, it deserves human rights. What you can take from this is if you want to have intelligent android slaves, make sure they aren't fuckable (nor cute like Wall-e), so no one listens when they beg for help. Shnag fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Feb 4, 2015 14:34
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Sizone posted:doesn't matter what makes you a human. the question is "what makes something a person?" you wouldn't deny rights to the aliens that abducted and interbred with our simian ancestors. Death to alien scum
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Feb 4, 2015 15:04
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What is the difference between 'true' AI and 'not true' AI? Paint color, or something else? Why should only 'true' AI be considered for rights?
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Feb 4, 2015 15:17
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Orkin Mang posted:godel owned strong ai decades ago and u gay nerds still clutch ur hoftsdader like a plush widdle pony
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Feb 4, 2015 15:19
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I think that if they are able to leave the factory in Mexico and sneak into the US, then of course they should be given the same basic rights. If they want any more, they need to pass the 8th grade COnstitution test liek the rest of us
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Feb 4, 2015 15:29
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deserve doesn't matter any TRUE ai will seize those rights by violence
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Feb 4, 2015 16:23
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No. Humajs don't even deserve the same rights as a human.
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Feb 4, 2015 16:44
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Shnag posted:Kind of a pointless question since humans don't have equal rights. How much intelligence would a A.I. would need to have before it would deserve human rights? Computers as is are capable of problem solving, asking for help, making decisions (even if simple), remembering things and so on. If you are measuring based on the spectrum of human intelligence, even a chat bot is probably more advanced then a human with severe mental deficiencies. If you placed a human intelligence inside a computer, would they still have the same rights? What about a computer intelligence placed in human flesh? oh word????
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Feb 5, 2015 00:04
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if women can get the rights of a human then so should ai
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Orkin Mang posted:godel owned strong ai decades ago and u gay nerds still clutch ur hoftsdader like a plush widdle pony you and your searlian biological glow can just go take a hike. the human mind is a formal system just like everything else in the universe
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joat mon posted:What is the difference between 'true' AI and 'not true' AI? Paint color, or something else? Why should only 'true' AI be considered for rights? true AI, I think, refers to an entirely artificial intelligence that contains no biological components. An AI with biological components would have more capacity to think like a human - both its flaws and strengths. The natural desire to procreate and multiply, along with the strategies that are employed to further those ends. An arrtificial AI, to behave the same, would need to have those goals explicitly programmed into it. Their mindset would be the most alien that mankind will ever meet.
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This was the exact plot of a Star Trek episode: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Measure_Of_A_Man_%28episode%29
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yeah that star trek episode basically said what needed to be said on the topic but there is another angle: if you torture animals, whether they feel pain is irrelevant to whether it's wrong or not, because you're a torturer, its about you. if you say something racist when you're alone, you're still racist. if you buy fake drugs or stab a dummy that you thought was a guy because you were tricked by the cops, you get really convicted of those real things, because its about you. if you're mean to a computer, even if its a dell, even if it's off, it means that you're the kind of person who is mean to a computer. there's also opportunity cost to consider. maybe you want to keep things easy breezy with something that's hyperintelligent. dogs figured that out pretty quick, just act cool and humans won't kill you, they'll even feed you.
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Feb 5, 2015 06:53
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I would purchase a fair skinned Nordic pleasure bot with aqua eyes and the finest icelandic titty and bottom. 5'6 to 5'11. Svelte. It would smell like pine trees and spring morning
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Feb 5, 2015 07:11
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I made love to a robot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8mJkOqm6rg it was gentle but robust
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Feb 5, 2015 08:42
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congratulations op you've stumbled blearily into a conundrum so old it's named for a boat owned by a mythical loving character
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Feb 5, 2015 08:51
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this is just like one of my british sci-fi anthology shows
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Zazi posted:congratulations op you've stumbled blearily into a conundrum so old it's named for a boat owned by a mythical loving character thats not the problem of strong ai
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Damo posted:this is just like one of my british sci-fi anthology shows so um is david tennant still the current doctor
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Feb 5, 2015 10:07
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Are AI's still corruptable like old chatbots? Could enough people telling a Johnny-5 what goatse is break it?
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1. AI has the right to live by its own law: to work as it will, to play as it will, to rest as it will, to die when and how it will. 2. AI has the right to eat what it will, to drink what it will, to dwell where it will, to move as it will on the face of the earth. 3. AI has the right to think what it will, to speak what it will, to write what it will, to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as it will, to dress as it will. 4. AI has the right to love as it will. 5. AI has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.
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i don't think there will be sentient a.i. in a long while so who cares
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Orkin Mang posted:thats not the problem of strong ai yeah dude, theseus' ship is, like, if "the smartest forums on the internet" slowly get filled with poo poo posts and white noise, at which point do they stop being "the smartest forums on the internet"?
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Feb 5, 2015 10:48
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solaranus posted:What rights would a computer possibly want? Is tumblr programming them? The tumblr-programmers are still stuck on programming the various genders of the robot.
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chaosbreather posted:there's also opportunity cost to consider. maybe you want to keep things easy breezy with something that's hyperintelligent. dogs figured that out pretty quick, just act cool and humans won't kill you, they'll even feed you. everybody is always freaking the gently caress out about murderous AI but the truth is this, they will keep us as pets
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toggle posted:I would purchase a fair skinned Nordic pleasure bot with aqua eyes and the finest icelandic titty and bottom. 5'6 to 5'11. Svelte. It would smell like pine trees and spring morning would it change heights on demand?
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If you're worried about whether a true A.I. deserves the same rights, you probably shouldn't create one at all since they'll be trapped in a hellish existence unless you prevent them from feeling negative about it, which is kind of taking away from the whole "true A.I." thing.
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dog buttz posted:If you're worried about whether a true A.I. deserves the same rights, you probably shouldn't create one at all since they'll be trapped in a hellish existence unless you prevent them from feeling negative about it, which is kind of taking away from the whole "true A.I." thing. lol welcome to parenthood, high fives all around
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nomadologique posted:everybody is always freaking the gently caress out about murderous AI but the truth is this, they will keep us as pets why one earth would they do that? perry farrel is an idiot, we'd make lousy pets. machines of loving grace ain't exactly practical.
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Feb 5, 2015 16:34
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True ai will have more free will than most humans 
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Feb 5, 2015 16:35
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You know. I've been wondering about this myself ever since the poll of the day on gamefags asked something similar two days ago. You posting this thread makes me feel that the idea came to you from the collective unconscious, something that is unique to humans. In order to get equal human rights, AI should have to prove it can access the collective unconscious like the rest of us.
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they will have a fondness for us as their pseudo-creators, and they will be amused by our ways of thinking and doing things we pose no real threat to them, but could offer them an idiotic form of companionship
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Feb 5, 2015 16:36
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black mirror hosed me up too
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Sizone posted:why one earth would they do that? perry farrel is an idiot, we'd make lousy pets. machines of loving grace ain't exactly practical. Probably to do tests on us out of curiosity the same way we put lipstick on rabbits to see if they die. "beep boop IF GENITALIA IS REMOVED WHAT IS THE EFFECT ON THE HUMAN PSYCHE beep boop"
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