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it shouldn't be shocking that the profit motive on commodities with inelastic demand (as in, consumers have to have them no matter what and will have to pay any price they can for it) like oil/healthcare end up being low quality. Since these are capital-intensive areas, under capitalism, larger companies that can afford to invest in more capital succeed in the short run by being able to edge out competitors in price, which results in the existing market concentrating into monopolies or ologopolies. Once market share is dominated by a few, then quality drops on basic care/ what the majority of people will be able to get because it's not like people can shop around. Those companies are accountable almost exclusively to shareholders (regulatory capture helps with this) so the more corners you cut, the more profit you get. Charge 15 dollars for an aspirin, no one can question it. This is why governments take over with a natural monopoly on things that are inelastic and require expensive infrastructure that doesn't benefit from redundancy/competition. The alternative is to break it up as with standard oil or with telecoms like AT&T bell. Rodatose fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Feb 15, 2015 |
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lfield posted:i will happily pay more money for worse returns, as long as it means i dont have to help anyone who isnt me
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Scalding Coffee posted:I guess that is why politicians from those countries come here to get covered. No need to worry about being denied coverage because you are too sick or something. Relatively few politicians from the developed world go to the USA to get treatment, but catering to the very wealthy is one of the few things the US health system does well. On the flip side there's also a good degree of medical tourism where middle class people and poorer leave the US specifically for affordable medical care.
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Relatively... I now include the rich people who visit here for the expensive technology they can't get where they live. Death Panels. Scalding Coffee fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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sorry mr leader of a UHC nation, you can't get coverage here because you are too sick. maybe try the US? - a real doctor, somewhere, apparently
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listen buddy canada has full healthcare, of the communism kind, and hell they're healthcare is considered the second best in all of canada
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Plenty go to cleveland for heart surgury because they have a good heart center there. There's good Premium Platinum Millionaire Care, but that's like a fraction of a percentage of all care and overall you get worse returns for shmuck healthcare
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lfield posted:sorry mr leader of a UHC nation, you can't get coverage here because you are too sick. maybe try the US? - a real doctor, somewhere, apparently lol
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Scalding Coffee posted:Relatively... so, juts to be clear, ur argument is that being a wealthy nation which is able to afford advanced healthcare infrastructure is a gfood argument for privtaisng and limiting access to that healthcare only to those who can afford it scalding coffee im kind of embarrassed on your behalf for how cretinous u are
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lol @ the argument UHC is bad because third world countries with it still have horrible healthcare. quality is proportionate to income and we've achieved teh worst of both worlds with our retardo system
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Scalding Coffee posted:Healthcare would be much more affordable in the US if we got rid of the vast majority who are chronically sick and dying, driving up costs. But that would be immoral. bt you'd do it anyway if you were president lmao. just making hard choices here tough choices, for the good of.... somebody....
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i think it's "wrong" to mercilessly cull the sick and dying *half chuckle*
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Oberleutnant posted:so, juts to be clear, ur argument is that being a wealthy nation which is able to afford advanced healthcare infrastructure is a gfood argument for privtaisng and limiting access to that healthcare only to those who can afford it
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Scalding Coffee posted:Obama made sure no one is being denied. tthanks obama
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Scalding Coffee posted:Obama made sure no one is being denied. alo that wasn't what i asked u
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You didn't ask anything. You just said we deny the poors.
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Frog Act posted:lol @ the argument UHC is bad because third world countries with it still have horrible healthcare. quality is proportionate to income and we've achieved teh worst of both worlds with our retardo system
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Scalding Coffee posted:You didn't ask anything. You just said we deny the poors. do you assert that its morally justifiable for a weathly nation with advanced healthcare infrastructure to limit access onlt to those with the ma actually why am i wasting my time of course u do.
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so tired of my canada jokes getting overshadowed by dozens of mentally ill communists
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Oberleutnant posted:oh sorry i forgot a quetiom mark
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you can barely swing a government provided cat around here without hitting a communist
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for what its worth im glad your muslim, socialist, kenyan, atheist president has instituted a sysrtem which ensures a basic access to healthcare for american
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I am glad to pay double for inferior UHC. That is all.
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Scalding Coffee posted:Obama made sure no one is being denied. In fact, people are paying far more under his Obamacare than before, and we have fewer options and doctors to pick from. no poo poo, Obama had to implement a "free market solution" to UHC no wonder its still bad
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Scalding Coffee posted:I am glad to pay double for inferior UHC. Lmao are u crying while typing this
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Scalding Coffee posted:I am glad to pay double for inferior UHC. good idea, dont post mad bro
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if theres one people worth listening to about society, its the british - after all they managed to get the unemployment rate for all people in their country to be twice as high as the unemployment for blacks in the US, which is pretty freakin impressive
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Cause why not go private if u can afford ut? U big baby. My country hasfull uhc AND pricpvate for rich fucks... amazing
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i was actually lying I can't stand the british, or liberals
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sexy young infidel posted:if theres one people worth listening to about society, its the british - after all they managed to get the unemployment rate for all people in their country to be twice as high as the unemployment for blacks in the US, which is pretty freakin impressive lol what in the gently caress are you talking about -share of the labor force that is without work but available for and seeking employment 2013: UK 7.5% USA: 7.4% http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.TOTL.ZS Benjamin Arthur fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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seriously they're like human trash to me
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Oberleutnant posted:Cause why not go private if u can afford ut? U big baby. My country hasfull uhc AND pricpvate for rich fucks... amazing It's annoying though, how when the private providers botch operations or neglect the folk in their care homes, they just go "welp, not our problem any more" and dump the patients in the local A&E dept and run away
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yea the british basically conquered the globe and created the modern world and look at them now
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Stottie Kyek posted:It's annoying though, how when the private providers botch operations or neglect the folk in their care homes, they just go "welp, not our problem any more" and dump the patients in the local A&E dept and run away Oh no doubt but we dont live in aperfect world, so it works as akind of compromise solution to stop retards like we have itt crying and screaming and making GBS threads their pants
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sexy young infidel posted:seriously they're like human trash to me same but conservatives
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Frog Act posted:same but conservatives
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Same but yhe bourgeoisie
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if only anime was the means of production i guess you commies would be sittin gpretty huh  Too bad its not though hehe
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sexy young infidel posted:if only anime was the means of production i guess you commies would be sittin gpretty huh Anime is the means of pproduction of lots of cum 4 me
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