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Nalesh
Jun 9, 2010

What did the grandma say to the frog?

Something racist, probably.

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

In another instance of the game showing what it should've been about, Watch_Dogs should've been about a dystopia controlled by gaming, where you'd need to go on digital trips to impress the punk gamer underground and tech-savvy crime lords who take them way too seriously. It would be played completely straight, and all the characters would remain the same.

That actually sounds pretty close to shadowrun :v:

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Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING
Sorry to burst your tech-talk but Adobe has not, by any definition I would ever use, made Flash better to use for animation. If anything they've crippled it further in an effort to force people to use it for websites that make your computer explode (Dreamweaver is intended for more conventional websites). If I understand my history correctly, back when Flash was a Macromedia product it actually was intended for animation, but Adobe saw its potential to suck really really terribly.

Bonus Adobe poo poo-talking: Someone did the math a little while ago and, if you were upgrading to the latest Creative Suite version every couple of years when they'd worked out most of the bugs, as a subscriber to Creative Cloud you're paying approximately twice as much as you used to, for the least functional version of the product. I like to tell people this any time I get the impression they haven't heard it before, because then I can make a joke about how Adobe still making a profit on lovely products proves that libertarians are wrong.

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

In another instance of the game showing what it should've been about, Watch_Dogs should've been about a dystopia controlled by gaming, where you'd need to go on digital trips to impress the punk gamer underground and tech-savvy crime lords who take them way too seriously. It would be played completely straight, and all the characters would remain the same.

It's amazing how nothing but context can turn lovely writing into still-bad-but-better writing.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
This part really looks like Saints Row. It's like... you're playing a good game. Hell, Ubisoft should take a lesson and do a non-serious AAA game.

Nalesh
Jun 9, 2010

What did the grandma say to the frog?

Something racist, probably.

anilEhilated posted:

This part really looks like Saints Row. It's like... you're playing a good game. Hell, Ubisoft should take a lesson and do a non-serious AAA game.

That doesn't have loving towers in them.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

Nalesh posted:

That doesn't have loving towers in them.

Saints Row IV has towers, that you climb up to gain poo poo.

Or if you're pro, you land a helicopter on top.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Yeah, I don't think the thought of ever actually climbing the things occured to me past the tutorial. I mean, you get access to aircraft from the get go, why not use them.

kalonZombie
May 24, 2010

D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy

anilEhilated posted:

Yeah, I don't think the thought of ever actually climbing the things occured to me past the tutorial. I mean, you get access to aircraft from the get go, why not use them.

Because climbing the towers was usually fun and rewarding? It got me orbs, which I needed to fuel my superhero beserker rage.

Nalesh
Jun 9, 2010

What did the grandma say to the frog?

Something racist, probably.

LoonShia posted:

Saints Row IV has towers, that you climb up to gain poo poo.

Or if you're pro, you land a helicopter on top.

They're not UbiTowers though.

Zeniel
Oct 18, 2013
Was the music playing during the Hell Racer part the song Redline from Lazerhawks album Redline?

If so then yeah wow, Watch Dogs suddenly became really awesome for a short burst of time.

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
I had a thought: would this game be "better" if our "protagonist" was fighting against Gamergate?

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

You have odd thoughts and that makes no sense.

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
Yeah I get odd thoughts from time to time and sometimes I share them with others. Some thought about Aiden tracking down and issuing "justice" to all those douchebags who were/are doing death threats and SWATing.

Mraagvpeine fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Feb 17, 2015

Rick_Hunter
Jan 5, 2004

My guys are still fighting the hard fight!
(weapons, shields and drones are still online!)

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

In another instance of the game showing what it should've been about, Watch_Dogs should've been about a dystopia controlled by gaming, where you'd need to go on digital trips to impress the punk gamer underground and tech-savvy crime lords who take them way too seriously. It would be played completely straight, and all the characters would remain the same.

Also known as Uplink: Trust is a Weakness

Gidoran
Oct 22, 2013

Mraagvpeine posted:

Yeah I get odd thoughts from time to time and sometimes I share them with others. Some thought about Aiden tracking down and issuing "justice" to all those douchebags who were/are doing death threats and SWATing.

It doesn't really seem appropriate to go throwing an issue like that randomly into an LP's thread when it's... really not related to anything that's going on in the slightest.

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
I'm sorry. I won't go into it any more.

Great Joe
Aug 13, 2008

The person talking to Aiden during the hellcar digital trip is actually a spanish scientist.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
I'm sad that Aidan doesn't get a crazy psychedelic outfit from the flower trip.

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
the one interesting thing in this game is the only thing you are not rewarded for looking at. It's like they knew they had to pay you to play the rest of the game.

The Heavenator
Feb 28, 2011

BangBangBang! Commando of the Galaxy
:siren: This episode contains nudity and depictions of human trafficking. :siren:

:frogsiren::nws:Episode 10 : Uncut | Cut:nws::frogsiren:

This week Aiden kills the One Percent, and we purchase penis enlargement pills.

Our guest this week is BobbinThreadbare. Again. You all already know about his Thi4f LP.

Sorry this one took so long, there were four failed recording sessions for this episode before Bobbin stepped in at the last minute to pinch-hit. Thanks Bobbin.

The Heavenator fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Mar 10, 2015

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Aiden's lucky Iraq was doing security for all these sleazebags nobody minds dying. What if he was attending a bar mitzvah?

rabiddeity
Jun 2, 2011

Bruceski posted:

Aiden's lucky Iraq was doing security for all these sleazebags nobody minds dying. What if he was attending a bar mitzvah?

Mazel tov cocktail?

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

I am enjoying this 40 minute podcast.

The game you keep talking about sounds really boring though.

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING
I donno, like...was that necessary?

Not from you guys. You guys had to do it because the game said so. Was it necessary for the game to do that? It seems like if we're going to have a big old human trafficking sequence that might as well just be the whole plot of the game. There are plenty less heinous ways to show an old white rich guy is evil. To put something like this in and then just never talk about it again is not only bad writing, it kind of makes you look like a bad person because you're just blowing it off all "Oh yeah, it's no big, no one really mentions it after the one time."

What in the actual gently caress, Ubisoft.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
You didn't comment on it, but I believe that woman outside the porn filming room is hardcoded to have "Mentally Disabled" as her trait.

This game does not treat women well, and it isn't going to improve.

Great Joe
Aug 13, 2008

Aiden just keeps getting worse. First the Travis Touchdown jacket, and now arc flashes. :(

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Kurieg posted:

You didn't comment on it, but I believe that woman outside the porn filming room is hardcoded to have "Mentally Disabled" as her trait.

This game does not treat women well, and it isn't going to improve.
Yeah I briefly noticed that. Well done Ubisoft, that was completely unnecessary.


The entire level screams 'we want to shock you', which doesn't fit well with the rest of the game at all. Even better, they drop this B plot afterwards, despite trying to make you think it's important. I hate it when games go purely for shock value without any reason behind why.

Tylana
May 5, 2011

Pillbug
For better or worse, if you do a takedown with a gun out on someone who you are not allowed to shoot, like some Criminal Convoys or whatever, you will count as killing them and fail the mission. Dammit, Aiden. You were the one who chose to not kill this guy, respond to my button presses appropriately.

Which is the other really jarring thing for most of those sidemissions. It's not your computer program going "Just hospitalize this guy for maximum anti-crime" or a tip-off from a cop or a request from Deadsec or anything like that. It's just Aiden going "Eh. I apparently have worked out these guys exist from my profiler. I will stop them. Sometimes I'll decide I must do it non-lethally, but only for the head of the gang. Everyone else including civilians can die."

EDIT : Also, "I have to steal this guys identity! So, the police finding his corpse will not be a problem." "I track this guy down using cTOS which is hackable. Obviously the badguys will not have the same system to work out who I am." All to get a RFID or similar off a guy. Why not just secretly hack Bedbug's phone, and wait/arrange for him to get proximity to Iraq?

Though that makes me wonder if you can get like, a directional microphone for radio waves?

Tylana fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Mar 12, 2015

powerful lizard
Jan 28, 2009
Well I just watched through this LP and wow, Ubisoft. Some of the bad taste and edge is coming right back around and cutting me on the raw "trying too hard".

Max Payne 3 was at least as gritty as this game but didn't utterly botch the execution.

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP
Okay.. so I know i said the bedbug part made at least a little sense earlier. But now.. just, ugh. Nope, not even gonna try to piece this crap together now.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Jade Star posted:

Okay.. so I know i said the bedbug part made at least a little sense earlier. But now.. just, ugh. Nope, not even gonna try to piece this crap together now.
Like most of the game, it's a pointless diversion

Then again this game had maybe an ounce of plot to begin with...

Calax
Oct 5, 2011

Jade Star posted:

Okay.. so I know i said the bedbug part made at least a little sense earlier. But now.. just, ugh. Nope, not even gonna try to piece this crap together now.

Developer 1: "Ok, we need something that says corruption, evil, and rich all at the same time!"
Developer 2: "And tits!"
Developer 1: "Yes, and tits... so what are we thinking?"
Developer 3: Uh... human slavery is seen as one of the worst crimes imaginable...
Developer 1: GREAT! Sex Slave Auction with the 1% buying while the underprivileged minorities provide protection! Sex and social commentary at the same time!
Developer 3: ... WHAT!?

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
Dev 2: BRILLIANT! But we can't linger on it too long we don't want the player to feel bad about anything so lets just make it a one off thing and never speak of it again!

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


By the time I had made it this far in the story, everything was already so ludicrous to me that even this bit didn't seem out of character. I just remember thinking "oh, so they really are going to be this heavy handed" and went on with it. You have to suffer through a lot of nonsensical bullshit to even make it this far, so if your suspension of disbelief lasted this long I am pretty drat impressed.

That comes across vaguely like praise, so to be clear I mean that it's incredibly stupid, but even as a high point of stupid I'd waded through so much stupid to get here that it barely registered. In perhaps the ultimate capper to the absurdity, the game actually doesn't just forget this ever happened but rather uses it as an unlock mission to hunt down mcguffins as a sidequest. That's perhaps the ultimate insult; not only is the human auction goddamn window dressing for a weak plot point, but its real impact to gameplay is merely to reveal another shitfucking set of collectibles. Sweet merciful crap.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

For gently caress's sake, Ubisoft.

Ekster
Jul 18, 2013

For a surveillance police state nightmare society it's surprisingly easy to keep a literal sex slave auction in the harbor with more than a 100 attendants secret.

That part was David Cage level writing.

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


Ekster posted:

For a surveillance police state nightmare society it's surprisingly easy to keep a literal sex slave auction in the harbor with more than a 100 attendants secret.

That part was David Cage level writing.
Well, the concept is that they're so corrupt that even in a surveillance police state they can easily hide something this big and evil.

Problem is then how the gently caress does Aiden get anything done? Either that incompetent buffoon would never get this far or someone else would have leaked this poo poo already.

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

Ekster posted:

For a surveillance police state nightmare society it's surprisingly easy to keep a literal sex slave auction in the harbor with more than a 100 attendants secret.

That part was David Cage level writing.

Honestly, that's another missed opportunity. If instead of fooling the CtOS system the mobsters had had their actions actively deleted from the record, it would have proven that the surveillance state is corrupt and complicit in everything that's going on, giving Aiden just cause for his "Robin Hood" activities.

The Heavenator
Feb 28, 2011

BangBangBang! Commando of the Galaxy
Keep in mind this is a surveillance state that is fooled by briefcase hand-offs.

Calax
Oct 5, 2011

And yet the movie Enemy of the State had a better surveillance system than CtOS

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Zeniel
Oct 18, 2013
The bus from Speed had a better surveillance system than CtOS.

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