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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:They have tells based on the dialogue. Luca there is about to try a wild attack, I believe. And his Wild Attack will one shot the protagonist. While the protagonist will one-shot Luca with a wild attack as well. That's what makes it so tense because after taking on 3 parties he's still kicking enough to game over you if you read him wrong.
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Suikoden II is the best game. I love that you can opt out of being the hero only a little while into the game and you actually get an ending. My friends mom had a bout of religious mania shortly after I beat it and threw my copy away when I lent it to him 
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Feb 19, 2015 00:06
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Luca Blight is very fond of his exclamation points.
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Feb 19, 2015 00:54
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Vil posted:Luca Blight is very fond of his exclamation points. Sir Pratchett (and probably others) mention that using more than 2 exclamation points in a row is a sure sign of madness. With how loving insane Luca Blight is, I think the trend towards #of ! and madness is exponential.
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Feb 19, 2015 02:04
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I can't loving stand pewdiepie Yea, me neither. And I wish the main story wasn't so bland compared to everything else. The latest chapter from Hildibrand was insane. FillInTheBlank posted:When will there be a new Chocobo Racing? There's actually gonna be a Chocobo Racing game in about a week in FFXIV's Gold Saucer, complete with Chocobo breeding and what not. Whether it will be any good, absolutely terrible or anything between remains to be seen.
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Feb 19, 2015 02:10
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Elentor posted:There's actually gonna be a Chocobo Racing game in about a week in FFXIV's Gold Saucer, complete with Chocobo breeding and what not. Whether it will be any good, absolutely terrible or anything between remains to be seen. The interview notes from the other day make it sound like RNG dependent race wins with RNG stat growths and breeding will probably also have RNG thrown in because why not. Either it'll be the world's best time sink or an awful grindfest (I'm hoping the former)
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Feb 19, 2015 02:43
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It's nailed on to be a grindfest. XIV's not exactly averse to that concept.
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Feb 19, 2015 18:19
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I do like that final scene before the Northern Crater. Cloud all "this is serious poo poo, find a thing to be serious about" even though you the player know everybody's going to come back.
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Feb 19, 2015 18:48
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Grizlor posted:he gets better  this is a good post.
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Glazius posted:I do like that final scene before the Northern Crater. Cloud all "this is serious poo poo, find a thing to be serious about" even though you the player know everybody's going to come back. That's what they said about Aeris. though personally I'd have been glad to see Vincent not returning, a la some of the characters in XII that you get on a temporary basis.
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Feb 19, 2015 19:02
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Glazius posted:I do like that final scene before the Northern Crater. Cloud all "this is serious poo poo, find a thing to be serious about" even though you the player know everybody's going to come back. I dunno, my first time playing, I really thought they might not. I was kind of a dumb kid.
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Feb 19, 2015 19:14
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The best Chrono Trigger ending was the one where the girls did the slide show talking about what they thought of the guys of the game
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waah posted:The best Chrono Trigger ending was the one where the girls did the slide show talking about what they thought of the guys of the game No the best Chrono Trigger Ending is the one where they Bring Aeris back to life It came totally out of left field for me.
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Feb 19, 2015 22:06
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The one where (Chrono Trigger spoiler incoming) Crono somehow ends up deposing Magus with Marle and Lucca as his Flea and Slash was pretty boss.
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Feb 19, 2015 22:15
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NikkolasKing posted:My problem was that there's just no urgency in a time travel story where time travel is so casual. The world will e in danger? Meh, no big deal, we can travel back to long before that will ever matter. Hell, we could stay in our own time and never have to think about Lavos ever again. That's the best part. After they go on their accidental adventure to the future they are about to go home free and clear and they find out about Lavos and decide they need to do something about it. The characters have the option of sitting at home and never thinking about Lavos ever again, and decide not to, because they are bloody heroes.
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Blind Melon posted:That's the best part. After they go on their accidental adventure to the future they are about to go home free and clear and they find out about Lavos and decide they need to do something about it. The characters have the option of sitting at home and never thinking about Lavos ever again, and decide not to, because they are bloody heroes. The plot of Chrono Trigger DOES bring up an interesting question. If you found out about a preventable apocalypse and had the means to stop it, would you?
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Feb 19, 2015 23:01
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Silegna posted:The plot of Chrono Trigger DOES bring up an interesting question. If you found out about a preventable apocalypse and had the means to stop it, would you? Only if I look like Goku.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:23
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Blind Melon posted:That's the best part. After they go on their accidental adventure to the future they are about to go home free and clear and they find out about Lavos and decide they need to do something about it. The characters have the option of sitting at home and never thinking about Lavos ever again, and decide not to, because they are bloody heroes. Maybe I'm jaded and cynical but I think a personal motivation is the only real type of motivation. It's why Magus was the best character. He was the only one with a legitimate (to me) reason to constantly pursue and fight Lavos.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:28
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Silegna posted:The plot of Chrono Trigger DOES bring up an interesting question. If you found out about a preventable apocalypse and had the means to stop it, would you? Yes, I recycle.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:29
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Only if I look like Goku. A perfectly acceptable measure of heroic potential.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:31
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Silegna posted:The plot of Chrono Trigger DOES bring up an interesting question. If you found out about a preventable apocalypse and had the means to stop it, would you? On the one hand, you'd save mankind. On the other hand, you'd save mankind. Hard choice.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:39
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Pierzak posted:On the one hand, you'd save mankind. On the other hand, you'd save mankind. Hard choice. If it's any consolation, Chrono Cross establishes that you killed all those people who were going to live in the Lavos Timeline you erased by saving mankind. So you still kill a lot of mankind.
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NikkolasKing posted:Maybe I'm jaded and cynical but I think a personal motivation is the only real type of motivation. It's why Magus was the best character. He was the only one with a legitimate (to me) reason to constantly pursue and fight Lavos. Personal motivation would push Robo into the pro-Lavos camp (he isn't invented in a world where Lavos doesn't exist), and I don't want Robo to be a villain. I wish there was more of the Queen Zeal archetype in JRPGs. The Shinra guys are halfway there in this game. Queen Zeal discovers this massive, ancient, unlimited power and is willing to betray the entire human race to have access to even a fraction of Lavos' power. If a Shinra exec had joined up with Sephiroth, maybe for an injection of JENOVA powers, that'd be pretty excellent. (I'm not counting Hojo, I meant the real Shinra figures. Heidigger or Scarlet all JENOVA'd out.)
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Blind Melon posted:The characters have the option of sitting at home and never thinking about Lavos ever again, and decide not to, because they are bloody heroes. Silegna posted:The plot of Chrono Trigger DOES bring up an interesting question. If you found out about a preventable apocalypse and had the means to stop it, would you? So... save the cheerleader, save the world? I'll just be going now.
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Schwartzcough posted:So... save the cheerleader, save the world? Fun Fact: That's getting rebooted.
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Patter Song posted:Personal motivation would push Robo into the pro-Lavos camp (he isn't invented in a world where Lavos doesn't exist), and I don't want Robo to be a villain. That's why kefka was the poo poo. If this LP showed me anything, it's that shinra is pretty incompetent.
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God I loved Chrono Trigger. I'm actually replaying it again now for the first time in many, many years because of you jerks. My favorite part of this discussion is, it's been so long since I actually beat the game, and there are so many god drat endings, that I'm not entirely sure if those are legit endings being mentioned or not.
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Booties posted:That's why kefka was the poo poo. If this LP showed me anything, it's that shinra is pretty incompetent. Kefka was a legit psycho, and it was amazing. One of the best villains I've ever seen. Kefka didn't gently caress around. I remember being floored at how he didn't pull punches and just straight up murdered a lot of people. And yeah, Zeal too. I do love how Persona 3 dealt with this - Nyx being the avatar of death itself, and not really being evil per se, just a force of nature and fate. Certainly not a cackling maniacal "yeah, that's definitely a bad guy" character, and it lead to the final battle feeling entirely different than any other RPG I've played yet
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Code Jockey posted:I do love how Persona 3 dealt with this - Nyx being the avatar of death itself, and not really being evil per se, just a force of nature and fate. Certainly not a cackling maniacal "yeah, that's definitely a bad guy" character, and it lead to the final battle feeling entirely different than any other RPG I've played yet I dunno, Dhaos does this in Tales of Phantasia and it just made me feel like kind of an rear end in a top hat. Barbarosa in Suikoden, I liked him. He's not crazy, he's not greedy, he's just old and in love with a crazy and greedy woman who looks like his late wife. His actions are poo poo, but his motivations are at the same time both likeable and not a good enough reason to feel bad for taking him down.
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Code Jockey posted:Kefka was a legit psycho, and it was amazing. One of the best villains I've ever seen. Kefka didn't gently caress around. I remember being floored at how he didn't pull punches and just straight up murdered a lot of people. Ah, yes Persona 3. A great game, with some pretty deep motivations and lessons...then we go to generic detective mystery in Persona 4, but drat the music made up for that.
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The overarching plot of Persona 4 was kind of generic, but the individual characters and their arcs were really well done. Kanji is one of the better RPG characters I've ever seen. He just goes about his little journey of self discovery in the most awesome way possible. With an anger problem and a complete lack of patience.
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Patter Song posted:Personal motivation would push Robo into the pro-Lavos camp (he isn't invented in a world where Lavos doesn't exist), and I don't want Robo to be a villain. Correct me if I'm wrong, but technically wasn't Robo invented before the 1999 A.D. apocalypse? When Lucca fixes him up when they first discover him, wasn't he laying there robo-dead for those centuries since, and so, if changing the timeline, he would still live just fine and his primary functions never be disrupted? He probably would rather choose that over keeping Lavos around, I imagine. At that rate, actually, he is the only character to experience that actual Lavos apocalypse firsthand, so that'd be a pretty good personal motivation for revenge, hm.
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Twisted Eye posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but technically wasn't Robo invented before the 1999 A.D. apocalypse? When Lucca fixes him up when they first discover him, wasn't he laying there robo-dead for those centuries since, and so, if changing the timeline, he would still live just fine and his primary functions never be disrupted? He probably would rather choose that over keeping Lavos around, I imagine. At that rate, actually, he is the only character to experience that actual Lavos apocalypse firsthand, so that'd be a pretty good personal motivation for revenge, hm. I think he was referring to how Robo was Created by Mother Brain to spy on humanity, before the apocalypse happened and he lost his memory, and then was repaired and co-opted by Lucca and Crono. Once he remembers Mother Brain, it's obvious that she wants to destroy humanity and that he was supposed to help her with that all along. But Robo has bigger things to worry about now - Mother Brain doesn't even realize he's a time traveler out to prevent the apocalypse now.
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Silegna posted:Ah, yes Persona 3. A great game, with some pretty deep motivations and lessons...then we go to generic detective mystery in Persona 4, but drat the music made up for that. DeathChicken posted:The overarching plot of Persona 4 was kind of generic, but the individual characters and their arcs were really well done. Kanji is one of the better RPG characters I've ever seen. He just goes about his little journey of self discovery in the most awesome way possible. With an anger problem and a complete lack of patience. Fun fact: Persona 3 and 4 are pretty heavily inspired by JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (to the point that from 3 on Personas were basically reimagined as Stands-but-not, and the first time the main character uses an Invoker is a shot-for-shot reference to the first time a Stand is summoned in Stardust Crusaders,) and in both Persona and JJBA, part 3 is an epic story about saving the world while part 4 is a smaller-scale murder mystery set in a rural japanese town punctuated by vignettes of teenagers with superpowers loving around.
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I'm four pages late and swimming through a sea of general JRPG chat but I loved the update, Elentor. I never realized that that scene could be different, possibly because early teen me was nice to Tifa on every playthrough (surprise surprise) and I completely forgot about the vague sexual implications. It always annoyed me that they said they have nowhere to go when Cloud had just recently purchased a sweet coastal villa they could've been hanging out in 
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Silegna posted:Fun Fact: That's getting rebooted. What?
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RareAcumen posted:What? They're rebooting Heroes.
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MightyPretenders posted:I think he was referring to how Robo was Created by Mother Brain to spy on humanity, before the apocalypse happened and he lost his memory, and then was repaired and co-opted by Lucca and Crono. Once he remembers Mother Brain, it's obvious that she wants to destroy humanity and that he was supposed to help her with that all along. But Robo has bigger things to worry about now - Mother Brain doesn't even realize he's a time traveler out to prevent the apocalypse now. Mother Brain wasn't intending to kill humanity from the start, though. Her entire point was 'welp, humanity's hosed, at least I can save a ton of other planets from the same fate'.
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NikkolasKing posted:a one-on-one battle in a JRPG is almost always loving lame and boring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFSRfYfoXjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b81v3UriMs
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DeathChicken posted:The overarching plot of Persona 4 was kind of generic, but the individual characters and their arcs were really well done. Kanji is one of the better RPG characters I've ever seen. He just goes about his little journey of self discovery in the most awesome way possible. With an anger problem and a complete lack of patience. Kanji is so great.  Silegna posted:Ah, yes Persona 3. A great game, with some pretty deep motivations and lessons...then we go to generic detective mystery in Persona 4, but drat the music made up for that. Persona 3 was just overflowing with style. I don't know how better to express that - P3 is just insanely stylish. The music, the UI, the characters, all of it feels so unique and well done and coherent. P4 is still good, and largely continues the trend, but it's just... different. But yeah, both games had ridiculous soundtracks, that are permanently stuck in my head. I really should stop playing other things and just go finish P4... Code Jockey fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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