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CapitalistPig posted:I can see that, based on flips and our own roles and colors we should probably have a pretty good guess as to what setup we are in tomorrow. Actually, scratch that. Barring an Oracle flip, I have a better idea. Everyone discloses the one setup it can't be.
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Actually, scratch that. Barring an Oracle flip, I have a better idea. This doesn't seem like a great proposition for any Vanilla Townies. Though it's also that I've been burned before by trying to solve setups. I wouldn't mind seeing more people weigh in on CCKeane. The fact that all 7 of us have checked in now means either there is no Oracle to counter-claim or the Oracle wishes to remain silent. Either way such a big splashy play seems more scummy to me than anything, but I'd like to get more opinions.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:09
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Actually, scratch that. Barring an Oracle flip, I have a better idea. ##vote MEDS CURE SCHIZOS Because you're scum.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:12
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Poison Mushroom posted:The only people who would know what setup it isn't are scum and PRs. The fact that you didn't recognize that makes me think that you do have an idea of what set-up it isn't. You're an idiot.
Configuration A: Ruled out publicly by two Red Town flips OR Red Cop flip OR Blue Scum flip. Configuration B: Ruled out publicly by two Blue Town flips OR Blue Cop flip OR Red Scum flip. Configuration C: Ruled out publicly by two Red Town flips OR Blue Cop flip. Configuration D: Ruled out publicly by two Blue Town flips OR Blue Cop flip. Exhibit B All games are solvable to at least one role with no more than two deaths. Therefore, public knowledge will rule out one game type on Day 2. The remainder of the roles can then be determined by what people say the game isn't.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:40
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Addendum: No public information is gained from opposite townspeople dying. I forgot to mention that bit.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:41
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:You're an idiot. That plan requires all the vanilla town to claim. Not just a couple, all of them, because you bet your rear end scum aren't going to make it obvious that they're not VT. So we'll get a couple ideas on "hey maybe this person is lying", but in the process, we'll also call out our PR(s?). It's a decent idea for tomorrow, because if we miss today, we'll be in LYLO. And then we'll have some flips to verify who's telling the truth and who's lying. But for Day 1, that seems like an incredibly bad idea.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:46
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Nah, it doesn't require all of the vanilla townspeople to claim. I am leaving "what roles could disavow what setup" entirely as an exercise for the reader, however.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:49
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Oracle will flip vanilla town.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:06
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CapitalistPig posted:Actually this is a pretty solid point. No it isn't, there is literally no reason for scum to do that. Also, I am on PM and Kleedrac because their actions do not make sense for somebody who was looking to kill scum. Like, for real, give me one way their posts of "I am town and I am not going to do that" helps kill scum.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:08
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Missed the bit about Oracles and their flip. Either way, we haven't had one claim and it's not as if there's any danger. I'm more amused at PM's insinuation that trying to solve the game is a scum thing to do.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:12
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Missed the bit about Oracles and their flip.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:13
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Poison Mushroom posted:I don't think you're trying to solve the game, I think you're trying to mislead people into claiming, either for a scum or color victory. So claim your color.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:14
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Missed the bit about Oracles and their flip. It is because PM is scum.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:15
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:So claim your color.
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Mar 25, 2015 21:15
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I want MORE POSTING from everybody *swings a cutlass around*
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Mar 25, 2015 22:03
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##vote Poison Mushroom I didn't ask for your role, genius.
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Mar 25, 2015 22:09
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Mar 25, 2015 22:15
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Kleedrac posted:All right let's get this party started. HiipFire do you have even a joking case against wall monitor or is it the usual day one shenanigans. I'm not voting even in jest as in a 7 player game I don't wanna taunt the hammer Hello this is a scummy post.
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Mar 25, 2015 22:24
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Kleedrac would make a fantastic troll, but I don't think he's scum I don't think what keane did is scummy, but it was funny That's all i got for now
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Mar 25, 2015 22:31
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HiipFire posted:what I asked for a color. He gave me color and role, likely in an attempt to seem more personable and reasonable to the rest of the game. Sort of like Billy Mays, minus the cocaine and yelling.
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Mar 25, 2015 22:40
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:I asked for a color. He gave me color and role, likely in an attempt to seem more personable and reasonable to the rest of the game. Sort of like Billy Mays, minus the cocaine and yelling. 2. She. 
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Mar 25, 2015 22:41
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CCKeane posted:Hello this is a scummy post. How is that scummy? Perhaps you misunderstood me. I meant that I wasn't going to joke-vote and was encouraging discussion. I still don't think your gambit was wise and I believe it could be scummy as I mentioned earlier. As for Meds thing about PM I'm not sure it's scummy enough to warrant a vote. For now I want more discussion so; ##Unvote
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Mar 25, 2015 22:45
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:I asked for a color. He gave me color and role, likely in an attempt to seem more personable and reasonable to the rest of the game. Sort of like Billy Mays, minus the cocaine and yelling. Betrayer are you scum I must know. You know you owe me two boons.
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Mar 25, 2015 22:55
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I believe Kleedrac is scum~~~
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Mar 25, 2015 22:56
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CCKeane posted:I believe Kleedrac is scum~~~ And why am I scum?
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Mar 25, 2015 22:59
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SORRY I DON'T TALK TO SCUM MY MOM WON'T LET ME
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Mar 25, 2015 23:00
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##vote Kleedrac
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Mar 25, 2015 23:00
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CCKeane posted:SORRY I DON'T TALK TO SCUM MY MOM WON'T LET ME CCKeane posted:##vote Kleedrac
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Mar 25, 2015 23:04
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Kleedrac posted:All right let's get this party started. HiipFire do you have even a joking case against wall monitor or is it the usual day one shenanigans. I'm not voting even in jest as in a 7 player game I don't wanna taunt the hammer This is the start of Kleedrac's scumminess. This is a "I am a helpful townie post!" that means nothing, especially since the vote in question was against the mod of the game. Kleedrac wasn't paying attention but wanted to jump in with a safe two cents. Kleedrac posted:This. [Edit for context: "If scum claim I will vote for them"] This is a VERY SCUMMY MOVE because it is a post that literally only benefits scum. Town would play it like CPig or Hiipfire did - confused or seeing an opening an agree. By discouraging the scum from claiming town would be actively working against their win condition. Kleedrac posted:What changed was that you did something extremely scummy - I shall explain; This is a nonsense post that is made because he is angry I fingered him. He quick voted after saying he wouldn't and comes in with a transparently flawed case (Assuming scum would discuss color in a game where color matters a great deal). This is a OMGUS case. Kleedrac posted:This doesn't seem like a great proposition for any Vanilla Townies. Though it's also that I've been burned before by trying to solve setups. I wouldn't mind seeing more people weigh in on CCKeane. The fact that all 7 of us have checked in now means either there is no Oracle to counter-claim or the Oracle wishes to remain silent. Either way such a big splashy play seems more scummy to me than anything, but I'd like to get more opinions. Again, this is a "helpful townie" post that is made in the absence of other meaningful posts (save for his "case" on me). He is also very concerned about figuring out if their is an oracle. PROBABLY BECAUSE HE'S WORRIED ABOUT HIS SCUM BUDDY OH NO!!! And, finally: Kleedrac posted:And why am I scum? Kleedrac is scum because he is trying to attack arguments, not facts. This is a scummy behavior.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:09
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Poison Mushroom posted:Jesus Christ, Keane, if I wasn't already sure you were scum, I most certainly am now. I don't know that you and MEDS would both use the "use setup speculation to get people to tip their hands" strategy, but individually, both of you are really loving scummy. Please tell me how my setup spec would benefit scum.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:11
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CCKeane posted:1) This is the start of Kleedrac's scumminess. This is a "I am a helpful townie post!" that means nothing, especially since the vote in question was against the mod of the game. Kleedrac wasn't paying attention but wanted to jump in with a safe two cents. 1) I had barely rolled out of bed and hadn't processed enough caffeine - you're an idiot 2) I disagree - your gambit was retarded and saying "I will vote for scum" is somehow scummy?! Dream on man. 3) The vote was perhaps an OMGUS but my case was solid - it's not unreasonable to think the scumteam who have the advantage of out-of-thread communication would still find that a better method of victory than the color gimmick. 4) Perhaps I'm helpful to the townies because I'm town :P I am concerned if there's an oracle in fact - though that is more due to me trying to figure out which setup out of curiosity - and the oracle gets color info not alignment info so I'm not sure why a scumteam would care. 5) That post was asking for the post I'm currently responding to - you basically spent too long railing me with nothing but blind accusations and no case - at least now you've rectified that though your case is weak. I regret taking my vote off of you - I'm going to rectify that now as you're definitely scum - no town in a 7 player game would rail and flail like this ##Vote CCKeane
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Mar 25, 2015 23:15
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Kleedrac posted:1) I had barely rolled out of bed and hadn't processed enough caffeine - you're an idiot Yes, a good vote...FOR SCUM TO MAKE.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:16
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Poison Mushroom posted:How dare you think about this game! ##vote Kleedrac Also this seems like the sort of thing scum would do to each other day one.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:18
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CCKeane posted:Also this seems like the sort of thing scum would do to each other day one. It's pretty obviously day one joking - your case is flimsy and you need to relax dude.
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Mar 25, 2015 23:28
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Kleedrac posted:It's pretty obviously day one joking - your case is flimsy and you need to relax dude. I can't relax, my heart withered away years ago and the only thing keeping blood pumping through my veins is the rhymatic tightening of my fists as I ball them in rage.
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Poison Mushroom posted:I don't know about you, but if a scum claims, I'm just going to go ahead and vote them. Hey PMush can you explain how you think this post helps the town find scum, thanks!
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PMush I know you are there. Reading. Lurking. PMush I shall don my shield of honor and my sword of justice and challenge you to a duel!!!
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Mar 26, 2015 02:47
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PMush I added you to my buddy list just to see if you were online. YOU ARE!!!!
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CCKeane posted:PMush I added you to my buddy list just to see if you were online.
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