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LEGO Genetics posted:Is it spoiler times yet? OH gently caress THAT'S NEXT. Also, I just realised and I'm totally not ashamed, but when i type "wiki" into my address bar the first two auto suggestions are, in order, "wikipedia list of doctor who audio plays by big finish" and "wikipedia list of doctor who serials"
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LEGO Genetics posted:Is it Gaiman times yet? Yes.
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Republican Vampire posted:Although granted how dire his previous work on time traveling adventure is, that's probably for the best. I thought Making History had some potential, but given how well-ploughed the kill / prevent birth of Hitler furrow is you really need to be bringing something else great to the table to make it stand out, and a lukewarm gay romance isn't enough.
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Mar 26, 2015 10:32
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Curse of the black spot is a weird episode for me, because any time I watch it, I enjoy it. But I will always skip over it during re-watches.
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BSam posted:
And thank the gods for both of those pages, which I would consistently be totally lost without.
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Mar 26, 2015 15:03
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In which the TARDIS goes through a Bonham-Carter phase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctor%27s_Wife
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So I take it you guys liked it?
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Mar 28, 2015 02:14
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Thunderfinger posted:So I take it you guys liked it? Occ enjoys Gaiman, in moderation.
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Mar 28, 2015 02:23
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This is a good episode that I like.
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Mar 28, 2015 02:40
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I think this is some of Gaiman's good stuff. Some of his quirks really benefit the material.
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Mar 28, 2015 02:43
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Toxxupation posted:GIFS This is Toxx's best review yet!
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Mar 28, 2015 03:03
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Is this where you break out the S rank Occ? Don't claim there isn't an S rank. I know you.
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Party Boat posted:Is this where you break out the S rank Occ? If not here, there isn't one.
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Mar 28, 2015 03:13
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Since Neil Gaiman is always about a year late for his deadlines, we probably should have counted this as a season 5 episode. 
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Mar 28, 2015 03:20
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Bicyclops posted:Since Neil Gaiman is always about a year late for his deadlines, we probably should have counted this as a season 5 episode. This was originally going to be a season 5 episode but they had to move it to season 6.
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Mar 28, 2015 03:21
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I seriously think this might be the best single episode of the entire revival 
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Mar 28, 2015 03:21
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It's a great episode that's also heavily steeped in Doctor Who lore and immensely satisfying to lifelong show viewers, but does so in a way that's natural and emotionally satisfying. It's a pity they had to cut a lot of the episode for both time and budget. Mainly time, I think. Planet of the Rain Gods.
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Mar 28, 2015 03:29
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Jerusalem posted:I seriously think this might be the best single episode of the entire revival It really is
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Mar 28, 2015 03:45
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Jerusalem posted:I seriously think this might be the best single episode of the entire revival It is very definitely in my top 10, along with The Eleventh Hour, Vincent and the Doctor, Midnight, and Don't Blink. It's hard to tell where I rate it within those episodes, though.
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Mar 28, 2015 03:51
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It's definitely a contender for my favourite standalone episode.
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Mar 28, 2015 03:56
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It's my personal favorite, although I bet Occ and I are of equal minds on how it relates to Blink and I fully expect some variant on "because while Blink is such a wonderfully constructed episode I didn't relate to it as much as I wanted to, while with episode du jour I did." Seriously I feel like I've read that sentiment almost as many times as Rory's died so far.
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Mar 28, 2015 04:15
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So I'm reading the last results and HOLY gently caress I'M IN THE LEAD!! 
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Mar 28, 2015 04:41
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People say this episode is bad. Those people are so beyond wrong it's not even funny.
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Mar 28, 2015 06:08
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Jerusalem posted:I seriously think this might be the best single episode of the entire revival I could probably come up with one or two other candidates depending on my mood but my answer would usually default back to this one.
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Way back during the Midnight review, I said it was tied with one other episode for my favorite episode of the revival. The other one was this one. Both episodes take the psyche behind their particular Doctors and then drown the episode with it. Both disconnect The Doctor from the convenience of TARDIS travel and ask him to slowly crawl back to making things right. Both have an invisible antagonist whose disembodied nature only makes them creepier. But of course the Ten episode is full of misery and despair and the bullshit mindgames he normally pulls on the muggles fails completely, and the muggles die for him. That works because those are Ten's themes. Whereas the Eleven episode is full of bravado and when death itself claims to have him cornered, he says "It is actually I who have YOU cornered, so gently caress YOU" and then normalcy is restored while triumphant music plays. That works because those are Eleven's themes.
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Mar 28, 2015 08:22
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also the tardis lady is hot
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Mar 28, 2015 08:44
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GonSmithe posted:People say this episode is bad. Those people are so beyond wrong it's not even funny. It's one of those episodes that would have been absolutely awful in the wrong hands, but is fantastic in the right ones.
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Mar 28, 2015 08:47
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I remember not thinking much of the episode and finding it instantly forgettable, maybe a bit too much Gaiman and not enough Who - and I'd liked Gaiman long before finding Who. For those who say it's one of the best episodes - what am I missing?
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Mar 28, 2015 08:52
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Gaiman doesn't resonate with you maybe? He's definitely not for everyone, and his schtick can wear thin if you've been over-exposed to it. That said: It's like a really well-made plate of scrambled eggs. Yeah it's not going to rock anyone's world unless they were pretty sheltered, parochial, and provincial to begin with, but it's still a great example of how to take a seemingly basic recipe (an amusing self-contained episode of a genre show) and elevate it with raw craft. I mean look at how everyone jizzes over who plays The Joker in live action even though his character is deliberately vague with massive room for creative interpretation-- same basic principle.
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Mar 28, 2015 09:01
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mind the walrus posted:Gaiman doesn't resonate with you maybe? He's definitely not for everyone, and his schtick can wear thin if you've been over-exposed to it. That said: It could be overexposure - I was a devoted reader of his works (comic, prose) up until Anansi Boys, did not like the Coraline film, and haven't read anything he's written since. I even liked the BBC production of Neverwhere which had the production values and associated charm of old Who (what I've seen of the latter at least.)
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There really isn't any part of you that might be able to appreciate it on a raw production level? Collaborative creation is seriously hard work on any scale, and while "The Doctor's Wife" wears its derivative nature on its sleeve like all of Gaiman's work it also manages to land almost every emotion it seeks to evoke via its writing, sets, acting, editing, and camerawork while expanding a 50 year-old canon in new and unexpected directions. Sometimes playing a pretty good but overtly familiar song without missing any notes is greater than playing a virtuoso and wholly original song but screwing up the key because it's so drat difficult.
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Plus, corridors.
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mind the walrus posted:There really isn't any part of you that might be able to appreciate it on a raw production level? Collaborative creation is seriously hard work on any scale, and while "The Doctor's Wife" wears its derivative nature on its sleeve like all of Gaiman's work it also manages to land almost every emotion it seeks to evoke via its writing, sets, acting, editing, and camerawork while expanding a 50 year-old canon in new and unexpected directions. Sometimes playing a pretty good but overtly familiar song without missing any notes is greater than playing a virtuoso and wholly original song but screwing up the key because it's so drat difficult. I don't remember the production being anything better than other good episodes of new Who? The main cast was fine, but they've all done better. Also, I don't get why people like the guest actress, she seemed like she was just doing a Helena Bonham-Carter imitation.
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 monster on a stick posted:I don't remember the production being anything better than other good episodes of new Who? The main cast was fine, but they've all done better. Also, I don't get why people like the guest actress, she seemed like she was just doing a Helena Bonham-Carter imitation. Maybe Helena Bonham-Carter is secretly a TARDIS? 
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monster on a stick posted:I don't remember the production being anything better than other good episodes of new Who? The main cast was fine, but they've all done better. Also, I don't get why people like the guest actress, she seemed like she was just doing a Helena Bonham-Carter imitation. It's not about what they do, it's more about what they don't do, if that makes sense. Sometimes the best performances aren't the show-stoppers or the big attention-grabbing moments of intensity or deep emotion, it's the subtle recognition of how far to sell a moment in service of a greater whole, and this episode shows an extremely deft touch in that regard-- you could gladly see more of almost every character or concept they throw out but you're never left with so little as to feel cheated or unsatisfied. You are right that the guest actress was definitely channeling Helena Bonham-Carter, but remember what I said about how this episode wears its derivative nature on its sleeve? Again it's not a perfect episode of television, but it's a drat good one in the same way a nice simple well-made stew is a good meal. Sometimes nailing the staples is more important than reaching to be the ultimate.... whatever.
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This one was always really nasty to me because it was never clear whether House was creating an illusion, or if he used his new TARDIS-time-fuckery-abilities to create an version of Rory that actually went through that.
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I love when the Doctor comments that House is "so much smaller on the inside", it says basically everything you need to know. Idris' comment about how humans are "so much bigger on the inside" is already a neat inversion of the usual,"Companion enters the TARDIS for the first time" thing, so to then have the Doctor establish clearly how much lesser the great and powerful House actually is really hits home. During their final confrontation, I love how the Doctor keeps casting glances towards Idris, it's clear he is waiting for her body to die because he knows House stands no chance against the actual TARDIS on her own home ground. He really sells the agony of knowing it's necessary but not wanting it to happen, and all of that happens in brief little moments inbetween keeping up his bluster towards House so it doesn't realize what is about to happen to it.
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I ended up liking this one a less on rewatch. It's still good, but it's a bit too... theatre? For my liking. There's something overwrought about it. It may just be that I'm not enjoying Gaiman translated to the screen, though I got on just fine with Mirrormask.
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Party Boat posted:I thought Making History had some potential, but given how well-ploughed the kill / prevent birth of Hitler furrow is you really need to be bringing something else great to the table to make it stand out, and a lukewarm gay romance isn't enough. The whole thing was just him saying that the whole Great Man thing is dumb and that the anti-semitism and political radicalism of interwar Germany was bound to turn into something toxic, which was his way of grappling with the enormity of it and with the profound effect it had on his family. Which is fine. It just doesn't make for a good book.
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