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It would explain a lot and be really weird if the reason Wells was against trying to seperate Firestorm was that it could possibly be applied to him. IE a seperation of Reverse Flash and actual Wells. Cause Reverse Flash had to absorb at least some of his knowledge unless he played the whole "Amnesia" card.
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Drifter posted:He stuck a metal spike inside of Wells and inside himself and then sucked out Wells' 'life energy' and holy god your spoilers are just getting weird now. For real, I don't know how they could have conveyed this more clearly without like, giant red letters and big flashing arrows saying THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED
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Apr 3, 2015 00:52
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Hollismason posted:It would explain a lot and be really weird if the reason Wells was against trying to seperate Firestorm was that it could possibly be applied to him. IE a seperation of Reverse Flash and actual Wells. Cause Reverse Flash had to absorb at least some of his knowledge unless he played the whole "Amnesia" card. Ummm...it was a standard erasre-ur-face model G the dude used. He is still Thrawne, he doesn't need to separate. It's nothing like what happened to Firestorm. Wells is dead. Thawne just has his memories and poo poo. Wells isn't inside a glass cage in his mind somewhere screaming to be let out.
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Apr 3, 2015 00:53
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Time travel, stolen tech, yellow outfit, an AI buddy tagging along... Thawne is channeling Booster Gold a little.Hollismason posted:Reverse Flash had to absorb at least some of his knowledge unless he played the whole "Amnesia" card.
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Apr 3, 2015 00:58
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As others have said it would be a way "out" of keeping Cavanaugh on Team Flash.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:05
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It's a comic book show. The most comic booky comic book show around at that. They hardly need that out. He could come back any number of ways, as ally, anti-hero or recurring villain. From disappearing in to the speed force only to reappear later to a simple resurrection there's probably at least a half dozen ways they could do it.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:08
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Heck, how do we know they even HAVE blood in the 25th century!!!
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Apr 3, 2015 01:09
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Robot Hobo posted:Time travel, stolen tech, yellow outfit, an AI buddy tagging along... Thawne is channeling Booster Gold a little. Also remember a point they made fairly clearly in the episode, he's well known for being "enigmatic." Barry: I read a 600 page book about him and all I learned is that he is enigmatic.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:10
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mikeraskol posted:Also remember a point they made fairly clearly in the episode, he's well known for being "enigmatic." He should put make-up, a wig and a sexy skirt on and then ask Wells out on a date to learn more about him. *with a southern belle accent* "Well, hello there doctor. My name's Barr-uhh, Barbara. So tell me about yourself."
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Apr 3, 2015 01:16
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Hollismason posted:As others have said it would be a way "out" of keeping Cavanaugh on Team Flash. Grant said in an interview that Barry is going to need to improve his lying, especially in regards to Wells. My bet is in season 2 Barry will be going to Eobard for help frequently, but behind everyone's backs because he knows they'll immediately object to it.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:18
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Finally caught up on The Flash, and while I enjoyed The Trickster, the previous "lets rewind everything" episode was loving atrocious. That was a forty minute reminder of why I hate time travel with a passion. How did the thread respond to the "hahaha, last week's episode didn't matter! Psyche!" nonsense of it all.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:19
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Narcissus1916 posted:Finally caught up on The Flash, and while I enjoyed The Trickster, the previous "lets rewind everything" episode was loving atrocious. That was a forty minute reminder of why I hate time travel with a passion. How did the thread respond to the "hahaha, last week's episode didn't matter! Psyche!" nonsense of it all. Mostly by calling people who thought that dumb.
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Narcissus1916 posted:Finally caught up on The Flash, and while I enjoyed The Trickster, the previous "lets rewind everything" episode was loving atrocious. That was a forty minute reminder of why I hate time travel with a passion. How did the thread respond to the "hahaha, last week's episode didn't matter! Psyche!" nonsense of it all. People were gaga about the Rogues but I really agree with you about that episode. Not necessarily about the Psyche! part, but I just thought it was a poor episode.
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Guys, what if Grodd is the real RF? Think about it.
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Aphrodite posted:Mostly by calling people who thought that dumb. Ah, that's what I would have guessed. I'm happy that the flash is tackling time travel since its such a huge part of the character (and to be fair, pretty much the entire DC universe loves their alt. universe stories). But I've read enough comics to know that "Character rewinds things!" is the lazarus pits of lovely comic writing.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:26
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Narcissus1916 posted:Ah, that's what I would have guessed. They just need to make it less like the comics and more like Back To The Future.
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Narcissus1916 posted:Ah, that's what I would have guessed.
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Narcissus1916 posted:Ah, that's what I would have guessed. If only those events still had relevance in multiple ways going forward and it wasn't actually a lazy reset button like you keep saying.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:35
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I'm sure they might bring back some elements of that episode in the future - and the Thawne reveal was a very nice piece of clever writing. But saying "Things will get better in the future, I promise!" doesn't really matter to me. Each episode should be satisfying on its own merits and not just setting up more pieces on the chessboard. I also didn't like how the rogues just kinda showed up for no reason, outside of a vague "Time will punish you!" handwavey bit. I also thought that Barry's kiss with Iris would finally make him realize that he has to come clean and tell her - and instead things just got slightly weird with them, again. And now they've told Eddie for Reasons, and its just goddamn uncomfortable to watch. I've been reading the Arrow thread almost from the beginning, and the Laurel hatred was legendary. But whereas early episodes of Arrow made me dislike her, the treatment of Iris really makes me despise Joe. So there's this weird schizophrenic tone to his character, that he's the best father figure and decent dude on the show, but oh yeah, he's gaslighting his own daughter.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:43
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Narcissus1916 posted:Each episode should be satisfying on its own merits and not just setting up more pieces on the chessboard. If that is the case then why wouldn't you like episode 15?
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Apr 3, 2015 01:44
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Narcissus1916 posted:I've been reading the Arrow thread almost from the beginning, and the Laurel hatred was legendary. But whereas early episodes of Arrow made me dislike her, the treatment of Iris really makes me despise Joe. So there's this weird schizophrenic tone to his character, that he's the best father figure and decent dude on the show, but oh yeah, he's gaslighting his own daughter. "Don't tell Iris about this Flash stuff because I don't want to get her in danger" "Why is that likely to get her in danger? You know if she is I am literally a superhero right?"
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Apr 3, 2015 01:48
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Valeyard posted:If that is the case then why wouldn't you like episode 15? Because he's inconsistent.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:50
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Iris can't know because she's in love with the Flash and Joe doesn't want it to get creepy.
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Narcissus1916 posted:I'm sure they might bring back some elements of that episode in the future - and the Thawne reveal was a very nice piece of clever writing. I dont really know what you expect from a Flash show, but accidentally travelling back 12 hours to undo a bunch of crazy poo poo that happened is like one of the first things you should expect. Everything about that episode was great.
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The episode itself was great. I think people just didn't like the way the writers "solved" the Barry-Iris-Eddie drama.
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Plus that was actually evident from the previous episode when he traveled back in time. The other one is good on its own merit I think. But this last one was better regardless.
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If time travel and altering history and playing around with consequences of previous events is a really serious dealbreaker, I have a little bad news for you regarding the backbone plotline that has been referred to in every single episode
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Apr 3, 2015 02:54
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Aphrodite posted:Iris can't know because she's in love with the Flash and Joe doesn't want it to get creepy. I can't wait for every single person in Central City to know who the Flash is except for Iris.
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Codependent Poster posted:I can't wait for every single person in Central City to know who the Flash is except for Iris. IT becomes a city-wide running gag. Her boss at the paper asks her, every time Barry comes in to the office to visit, with a goofy grin, "So, Iris, any new leads on the Flash today?" The whole office quietly titters in the background.
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zoux posted:That thing had to be a Fringe nod right? That clearly tells us they had no idea how they were going to reconcile Thawne and Wells and just kind of made it up as they went along. They got lucky in that it mostly works as an explanation too, so bravo. EDIT: Also, in regards to the time travel stuff. My problem with undoing wasn't that he undid it. Though that is a problem I have with time travel stories in general in that sometimes they make it seem like we wasted time watching the stuff they undid. That part wasn't too bad in this instance though. The part that was bad was that the writers decided to go and blow up everything before they did it. That's just kind of hackish. If he was going back to prevent the tidal wave and save Joe, fine that's all good. But adding Cisco's death, the revelation of Wells, and the completely unnecessary resolution of the Barry and Iris stuff was too much. It was just the writers saying, we can just write anything we want and it doesn't matter because we can undo it and that's a scary thing for them to pull out on the very first instance of time travel. X-O fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Apr 3, 2015 |
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I still think it wasn't for naught. Wells mentioned time seems to repair itself, so we might be looking at the chief being injured bad, Cisco being killed and WW escaping and causing a tidal wave. Also, I think Wells might 'remember' the alternate timeline.
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Deadpool posted:It was just the writers saying, we can just write anything we want and it doesn't matter because we can undo it and that's a scary thing for them to pull out on the very first instance of time travel. All of that stuff did matter as shown in the very next episode so there's actually nothing to be afraid of? And the writers actually directly said that those events do and will matter so...
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Okay I haven't seen the most recent episode so I don't know if this is covered, but Gideon warned Wells about the journalist, right? Earlier in the episode they agree that he should be alerted if anything changes, and then after killing the journalist (who just finished preparing an article for publish) he says that it would have been the story of the century. I mean I'm probably being dense and this is the obvious answer, but I've seen speculation about Wells having alt timeline omniscience so I don't know what to believe anymore
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Deadpool posted:That clearly tells us they had no idea how they were going to reconcile Thawne and Wells and just kind of made it up as they went along. They got lucky in that it mostly works as an explanation too, so bravo. While in general I agree, if you gently caress around with consequences too much you remove any tension (how can I give a poo poo what's going on, nothing at all matters/nothing is real) but in this case, the scene with Wells killing Cisco was really dramatic and well done. The rest of the episode felt like fluff around that tremendous scene. As long as they do this rarely and there's a big payoff like that scene with Carlos Valdes/Tom Cavanagh then that'll be OK.
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The only reason I'm speculating about Wells/Eobard remembering the time change is because of Flashpoint Paradox. I have absolutely no reason in show universe to actually speculate on this otherwise.
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Oh god, I'm reading around on other forums and there are so many people who genuinely don't seem to understand that Thawne killed the real Wells and took his place. Like, outright asking "Is Wells real or fake right now? Wait, so was that the real Wells in the flashback?" And that's one of the easier plot elements to understand in this show; I wonder how many other far-out comic-book-y things just fly right over the general audience's heads? And these brain-twisting narratives are really only going to get Reading about people who don't think about TV shows as much as I do is super depressing.
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They show him graphically dying and withering into a very obviously dead corpse as Thawne/RF sucks out his whatever through the wire thingamajig I mean how do you misinterpret what's going on there 
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Apr 3, 2015 09:44
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Busy posting about it on forums to pay attention to the goddamn show.
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So next episode is going to be about how the Flash gave everyone at that fundraiser Hepatitis or HIV right?
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Bert Roberge posted:So next episode is going to be about how the Flash gave everyone at that fundraiser Hepatitis or HIV right? He went and phased the virus out of everyone later that week. He wore a special doctor's outfit while he did it. Iris got a bit faint at the sight. It was all very romantic and dramatic. Edit: He also put laxatives in the Trickster's coffee that day, for payback. It backfired when the Trickster found it funnier than he did though.
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