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Update Eighteen: Heckran's Cave of Mystical Wonders (SSLP) Howdy folks! Last time, on Chrono Trigger, we went to the End of Time, learned magic, and then we came back to 1,000 AD. And there was a bonus update where we went into a Fuckyouanddie Bucket as well as starting the Arena of the Ages, but let's forget that for now, since we've other stuff to do, so let's bounce.  This is the village of Medina, where we time warped into some imp's wardrobe.  Maybe the Elder knows a way back to Truce. Or something about Lavos, since I'm pretty sure this is what we came back to the Present for.  Oh, right, this is a village of Fiends (monsters).  If you watch this guy, he literally just crabwalks back and forth across the wall. He ain't doin' poo poo.  And you've got a crappy little village to show for it. Definitely something to be proud of.   Why don't you exterminate the human race now?  Upstairs is this Imp, who gives us a hint about the next area. Not that you'd really need it, as I'm sure most people could figure out you needed magic for the next dungeon, seeing as how you just got it.  I'm pretty sure he's too busy bitching about the Fiendlord loving off on his life's work to come and find you.  I have two of these now, and I end up giving them to Lucca. She has the highest Magic of the party, which will come in handy in the next dungeon. Though, I don't give them to her until just before the boss.   Medina isn't a very large village, but there's a lot of interesting stuff around here.  Including creepy chanting. I'm trying to find the audio track for it and not succeeding. Oh, here it is.  If you'll think back, we found a statue like that in the Cathedral in 600 AD.  It seems that their faith in the Fiendlord never died.  And it seems that this jerk had something to do with Lavos.  In that he gave Lavos life. What kind of bad mamma-jamma is this guy if he's giving a world-killer life?  Not much we can do about it now, but a nap might help us figure something out.  At least, I seem to puzzle things out when I've slept on them.  Tons of experience and getting stronger? Because we'll do that.  Now, we can turn back and not, but...C'mon, buddy.  I hope you don't mind if your sheets get splattered in your blood.  Marle's Ice spell in action. Henches are weak to all elements, so it really hates this. And those Diablos don't like being lit on Fire.  As shown.  Marle and Lucca learn their first Double Tech, and you'll see it in action later on.  Also, getting his rear end beat makes this Hench much more agreeable to letting us stay. Oh, poo poo, they're not Henches; that's the SNES name. They're Underlings here.  Hell no, you're a dick. Let's bounce, ladies.   Maybe they have some interesting stuff for us to buy. I hope so. I like buying stuff.  This guy being here is interesting; we first met a Gaoler in the prison, so...Guardia employs monsters. Good to know.  I'm sure you know what happens if we plead with him.  That's right; we make these guys look like chumps.  I'll have a .gif of Lightning later, but know that if you don't sell to Chrono, you receive the wrath of Thor.  And if you smack him, he smacks back.  Hey, if you can't run with the big dogs, you best stay on the porch.   ...Holy poo poo, man.  I want this, but it'd take me forever to grind up $65,000.   The Radiant Plate is likewise fantastic. And expensive.  ...Son of a bitch. We forced him into selling, but didn't consider he could jack up the prices. And we can't kick his rear end again to force him to lower the prices.   Jerkass monster, not selling me good stuff at good prices.  Should have just beaten him to death and stolen his stuff.  It works in Skyrim, dammit, it should work here.  But gently caress him, I'll make my own shop with great stuff, and have blackjack and hookers and—Melchior lives here?  Well, had no idea you lived here, but it's good to see you.  And I like new weapons.  How convenient for the dungeon we're about to go through.  Marle gets a new vest, but Lucca doesn't. You'll see why next update.  And if saving those lives involves taking lives, what then?  How convenient that he tells us where to go to get where we wanted to be. I like your style, Melchior.  That Diablos wanted us to take a hike through here, as we would die or something. Even though we killed him earlier, let's give his ghost the finger and bulldoze this cave.  A pair of  And Billy gets his grill lit up. The other one was beaten to death with a sword.    Since we talked to Spekkio and learned magic, the rest of the Techs have been unlocked for people to learn. Chrono's is useful not because it's guaranteed double damage (equal to what a critical does), but because it opens up some of the best Double Techs in the game.  Marle will learn an actual healing spell, instead of relying on her personality to make people not-die.  And Lucca is going to go Vietnam on some fools' asses.  The Heckran Cave is an introduction to magic use. In the areas leading up to this, physicals were pretty well the way to go; you didn't have much choice beyond that, except for a few enemies here and there. In here, if you're not using your magic, you're going to have a hell of a time.  I have a shot of them climbing down the ladder, but I didn't think it needed to be included. Unless you really want to see it, then I'll PM it to you.  There's plenty of MP restoring items in here. I think I've said it before, but Chrono Trigger is fairly generous with this sort of thing. Hell, it's fairly generous with most stuff.  Hey, it kind of looks like an Uncharted treasure. I wonder if we could se--  BY THE MUSTACHE OF MELCHIOR  Oh, now it's barfing squids at us.  And it starts with this attack, which sucks for this area.  As it steals some MP from one of your characters. Precious, precious MP.  A burst of lightning will teach you the error of your ways!  The girls are far better at magic than Chrono, but this still sufficient to kill the Djinn Bottle, who only has 97 HP. It has another attack where it can drain HP, too.  And the Cave Stalkers can light you on fire, which seems like it would hurt like the dickens.  Which it kind of does.   However, they only have 80 HP, and even with their ability to use fire, they're not immune to it or anything.  And here, you can see one of the rare times this status effect will pop up; this is Blind, which makes your accuracy tank. I don't know why they have this ability, since it's not like you'll be using physicals here, but y'know, they can do it.  However, the Wrath of Thor does not give a poo poo if you can't see or not.   You might think we could hop onto this waterfall and slide down it, but we can't, as there is a lack of barrels around.  Going down into this area, these guys spin into existence.  These are Rhino Wheevils, and they have 88 HP.  And I use Antipode Bomb on them. It starts with Marle throwing an Ice spell at them.  Which goes on like the regular animation.  And then Lucca just blows them the gently caress up.  Antipode Bomb is a Shadow elemental attack, and the word antipode means “the direct opposite of something else” and seems to be usually used when referring to locations opposite of each other on Earth. Or maybe not; are there any geologists out there reading this that use that word?   Heading south from the Wheevil fight takes us to this room, which also has the best treasure of the cave.  It's guarded by a new enemy, the Boundillo.  They have 50 HP and don't like magic, either.  They're pretty slow, so you won't see them act often.  Let's go snag our prize.  gently caress BATS  At 108 HP, these guys have the highest health of the regular enemies in here. They're also not very different from the bats we encountered in the Cathedral.  This thing is like the Power Glove we found in the Middle Ages, but for Magic.  Lucca loses her Guardian Bangle to throw this thing on. She has the best Magic stat of the group, and this is just making things even better. If you were wondering, Marle has the Speed Belt equipped, while Chrono is still wearing the Rage Band.  Back in this room, we head west to continue on.  I never had to use any of the MP restoring items here, but I have a nice stock of them now.  You also meet some more of these guys over here.  On a first playthrough, this dungeon is really nice to help you learn the value of your magic and get used to spending your MP to kill enemies. On repeat playthroughs, it loses some of its charm.     But the cave isn't very long; in fact, we're nearly done with it.  Even with its short length, there's still a good enemy variety here.  If you'd skipped Spekkio and not learned magic, you could still get through here. Wind Slash and Flamethrower could take you through, but I don't know why you'd skip magic. Unless you were doing a speedrun.  Chrono countered this guy after being hit (it's the same attack the Roundillo has), so you get to see his new sword in action.  And the incredible defense these guys boast.  And Marle gaining a level!   More Cave Bats up here.  They were promptly lit on fire, frozen, and electrocuted.   Another Djinn Bottle is here, and you all know the outcome.   ...Son of a bitch, we'll have to come back here. But it'll be waaaaaaaaaaay later. And don't talk about it in the thread; that's not an invitation.  Now we can get down into the water in this room.  If you're running with the flow of water, you go super quick. If you're running against the flow, you go slow. It's a neat little touch.  We come to this save point, where we drop a Shelter. I don't think I saved, though. I'm not worried about the boss.   And here's the boss! I guess Fiends don't have much else going for them, other than wanting to kill all humans. If you'd like to see a video of the fight,  click me! Didn't I see a giant-sized version of you in a Godzilla movie?  This is the Heckran, which the cave is named after. Your magic is going to be abused here, too, so don't expect to finally be able to use your physicals.   He has 2,100 HP to burn through, so this fight takes a little while. And since I forgot to mention it until now, Lightning has a damage formula of Chrono's (Level+Magic) * 5.  Ice is Marle's (Level+Magic) * 4.5. I guess her higher Magic eliminates the need for the multiplier to be higher.  Not that it did a ton more damage than Lightning. Maybe it's their attempt to keep the characters somewhat even.   Heckran's magic is Water based, as shown with the basic Water spell.   Ouch, that kind of hurts.   The formula for Fire's damage is the same as the formula for Ice. That Magic Scarf is already paying off, even if it's only another 30 damage.   This is Heckran's second attack, and it's a doozy.  Seriously, holy poo poo, that's a lot of damage.  Heckran can be a tough fight if you're not careful, as his attacks all do a bunch of damage, but if you pay attention to your health, you should be alright. His only group attack launches in a specific circumstance which we'll see in a second, but other than that, he'll only attack a single person.  Antipode Bomb does damage about equal to what Fire and Ice do individually, and the formula for that is (Marle Level + Marle Magic + Lucca Level + Lucca Magic) * 4.6.  And this is the circumstance is where his full-party attack can come out. In addition to being a magic-only gimmick boss, he's also a counter-gimmick boss.  This is a great moment to heal your party up, top up MP reserves, maybe read a bit of a book.  But what happens if we hit him?  A second level spell!?  glubglubglub  Yowch, that hurts.  If you queue up a bunch of attacks, you can get your rear end wiped out by Water II!, which is not an optimal way to fight this guy.  When you defeat him, you get a nice chunk of exp.  And a bunch of TP.  Huh, I wonder where we'll go next. Not that we didn't have a clue before.  GRAAAAAAAAAAGH yourself, ya drat monster.  And he has a neato-torpedo death animation.   We'll probably have to kill him and any servants he has around. Just to be sure; you never know what Fiendlords are teaching their underlings.  “If we used our only method of transportation to the Middle Ages...”   And we go all the way through this cave, through the shortcut Melchior told us about, to find a wading pool at the end of it.  Well, may as well take a dip. I guess we've earned it.  Whoa, holy crap!  There would have been a .gif here of that, but it's a bit large and I couldn't get it to size without destroying any semblance of it looking good. Just imagine those three being flung out of the vortex and landing next to Lucca's House. That does it for this update. Next time, we'll pop in to see Taban and head back to 600 AD, so stay tuned! BONUS MATERIAL Want to see Yapping Eevee and I do fairly uninspired commentary over the Heckran fight? Then click here! Leave fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Yayy let's go kick some fiendlord butt!
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Apr 14, 2015 16:56
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I've always kind of liked that Medina Village refuses to sell for any reasonable price.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:59
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I wonder if anyone was ever crazy enough to grind out enough money to buy at the jacked up prices.
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Anoia posted:I wonder if anyone was ever crazy enough to grind out enough money to buy at the jacked up prices. The answer is yes. Someone, somewhere, did it.
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Anoia posted:I wonder if anyone was ever crazy enough to grind out enough money to buy at the jacked up prices. I did it on my phone a few months ago during a slow midnight shift. Just enough to get the Sword though; I was bored, not crazy. I was also a little past where we are now. It's the area a little later where you can grind for some stuff to trade for some pretty valuable equipment. IIRC by the time I got around to going back to Melchior it wasn't even much of an upgrade. Hopefully that's not too spoilery.
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Anoia posted:I wonder if anyone was ever crazy enough to grind out enough money to buy at the jacked up prices. Umm... Look, I was a bit obsessed as a kid, okay? Besides, there's a way to do it that is, well, still pretty terrible actually, but better than current level fights at least. It's mildly spoilery, so I'll hold off on saying where I did the grinding, but it's not hard to figure out. I don't think I got a full set of everything, but I got the weapons at least. Edit: ^^^ Yeah, that. counterfeitsaint fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Apr 14, 2015 17:45
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Leavemywife posted:Update Eighteen: Heckran's Cave of Mystical Wonders (SSLP) 
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Ahahahaha, I totally missed that. That's beautiful. 
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Anoia posted:I wonder if anyone was ever crazy enough to grind out enough money to buy at the jacked up prices. I never did any grinding, but I did get enough money through just playing the game to get those items far far earlier than I was meant to.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:DRINKING GAME! Every time I say rear end in a top hat in this post, take a shot. 1. Clearly this comment is sarcastic because you've shown how you handle opinions on the internet. 2. I didn't read this thread. I played up to the point where you get the frog. At least I tried to end the comment with something related to the loving game unlike you. 3.Holy poo poo it's just saying "hey can you (Collective.) put the letters SSLP on your title? It shouldn't be a big deal. 4. You of all people are going to talk about being an rear end in a top hat on the internet. HA. 5.Aint that a loving great idea. If you don't like something, keep it to yourself! What a wonderful world that would make! 6. What loving advice could I give!? I don't like SSLPs. I don't read them half the time and my only advice was label the LP title a SSLP! 7. Honestly what could I possibly say if I don't loving read the drat LP? If I don't like SSLPs the only thing that will change that if it is turned into a video LP. and asking him to do that is retarded. 8. I refuse to make the same loving point over and over again. You refuse to aknowlage the fact that I don't read or didn't read this thread. So what constructive criticism could I possibly give? This was a stupid argument spear headed by assholes on the internet. This could've been a discussion on it. Or you could've told me to go to the sandcastle with it. Instead you overreacted to it. You continue having a good day. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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WitherSnow posted:3.Holy poo poo it's just saying "hey can you (Collective.) put the letters SSLP on your title? It shouldn't be a big deal. My name isn't (Collective.)! <  >
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WitherSnow posted::iamafag: Did you see he put the SSLP in his update for you? Or are you not even reading the updates and instead dragging on this pointless tirade? If so, just 
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One time I clicked on the wrong LP and the shock of seeing it was in a format I don't like killed me. Ghost postin' here. 
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Leavemywife posted:Antipode Bomb is a Shadow elemental attack, and the word antipode means “the direct opposite of something else” and seems to be usually used when referring to locations opposite of each other on Earth. Or maybe not; are there any geologists out there reading this that use that word? It's standard terminology. If you take a point on the surface of a sphere and draw the line that connects it with the center, the antipode is the other point where the line intersects the surface. Someone made a really nice map that lets you play around with antipodes on the surface of the earth.
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ultrafilter posted:It's standard terminology. If you take a point on the surface of a sphere and draw the line that connects it with the center, the antipode is the other point where the line intersects the surface. Someone made a really nice map that lets you play around with antipodes on the surface of the earth. Good thing I never tried to dig to China too hard. Looks like you have to be in Argentina to do that. Anyways, as for our Smidge, it looks like sudonim posted:My name is Gato
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Leavemywife posted:Good thing I never tried to dig to China too hard. Looks like you have to be in Argentina to do that. Oh huh, so you do. Well, I guess I better get digging!  Also yay, we're sticking with Gato. It is a far better choice than my own vote.
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Anoia posted:One time I clicked on the wrong LP and the shock of seeing it was in a format I don't like killed me. Stay safe LP ghost Also why are people still replying to that duder? Just let him go away and read his text-only LPs.
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Is it just me or does Chrono float up into the air when he casts magic or is he just standing on his tippy toes?
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Anoia posted:Ghost postin' here. Thanks, Mr. Skeltal. Also, as to relevant posts, you goons realize that, since we are naming the smidge Gato (even though he doesn't have metal joints ), and the thread seems to have a propensity for keeping names standard, we have to name SOMETHING to Bowser, right?Thread, you know there is something else that will need a name. When the time comes, you know what must be done. Do not disappoint me, goons.  edit: No, he floats. It's pretty neat.
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Let's break from the mold and not conform to memes. I elect our next character be named im gay instead.
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Leavemywife posted:
Only the baddest motherfucker in all of the known universe is the kind of guy we're talkin' 'bout here.
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This is everyone's friendly reminder that by clicking on the profile tab at the bottom of someone's posts, you're given the option to add them to your ignore list, so you don't ever have to read the inane drivel they've produced by smashing their drool-encrusted faces against their keyboards again.
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Leavemywife posted:My name isn't (Collective.)! Leavemycollectivewife? Leavemywifecollective? Collectiveleavemywife?
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Kheldarn posted:Leavemycollectivewife? Leavemywifecollective? Collectiveleavemywife? LeaveOurWives
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Leavemywife posted:BONUS MATERIAL Disclaimer: At no point have I ever claimed to be good at providing vocal commentary. There's a reason I do SSLPs, and it's not just the fact they're a hell of a lot simpler on the technical side of things (if potentially more time-consuming to produce).YggiDee posted:LeaveOurWives ultrafilter posted:LegionMyWife I'm not sure which of these I like more.
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In you guys' defense, it was literally a 3:30 long video of a boss fight that wasn't really that interesting to begin with. At least the Dragon Tank had "THIS IS 1000AD WHY DO WE HAVE THIS  " going for it, Heckran just looks like a MOTW from an episode of Kamen Rider and basically serves as the boss of the magic tutorial dungeon. You didn't have much material to work with. The only thing that really could've gone better was the audio, and I've already Derek Barona fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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I think the even though Crono's magic stat is weaker, his multipliers are higher so he'll always be hitting about as hard as the girls. Also, Antipode makes me think of the SNES double tech descriptions. "Attack Enemy With Antipode". Good times. And, for the record, that wasn't sarcasm. Having different opinions is truly one of my favorite things about being a human. And I am a human. I swear. I oil my joints one at a time, just like all of you. Edit. VVVVV Thanks! I think I could have done a better job though, especially since I never got around to that postgame update. Rabbi Raccoon fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:I think the even though Crono's magic stat is weaker, his multipliers are higher so he'll always be hitting about as hard as the girls. Also, Antipode makes me think of the SNES double tech descriptions. "Attack Enemy With Antipode". Good times. For what it's worth, after BOF3 you could be a cyber-spider death bot and I'd still respect you. Edit: You hate Rhapala as much as I do. Few things in life earn my praise faster. Derek Barona fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Fun Fact: First time I got here I didn't know the water was the exit to the dungeon. So I ran out, all the way back to Guardia Forest (through 2300 A.D.) and had to go back and wander around Melchior's hut for awhile before going back into the cave again. Still totally worth it. Here's some Character Breakdowns. In general every character is effective because all their multipliers are per-character and they take into account their default stats and growths. Chrono: He's the protagonist and the best character in the game. Stats: His hallmark is high speed and good strength with no weaknesses. Techs: Chrono's repertoire is mostly physical attacks with some Light element attacks. Light element is one of the best in the game because very few things both use and resist it and there's a whole host of things weak to it. Chrono also has a lot of good ranges on his attacks, having Cyclone's Enemy Zone (attack around an enemy) and Wind Slash's Absolute Line (hits all enemies in a line regardless of distance.) Party Dynamic: Chrono takes part in the most dual/triple techs of the game hands down. This gives him unparalleled versatility where there is literally no party combination he cannot either improve or take part in. Marle: A support Mage-type with lots of utility. Stats: Good Mag and Mdef with decent speed. She makes the better physical attacker between her and Lucca. Techs: Marle is mostly about single target heals along with some utility and damage. Provoke is kind of useless on it's own since most things resist confusion. Party Dynamic: Marle brings a good amount of utility in parties. Her heals get better and more importantly her damage gets even better. Having limited offense helps her in a weird way: she'll usually have MP to spare after other party members run dry and thus is prime for chucking items to refill. Lucca: Offensive Mage with all the fire attacks you could want. Stats: Very high Mag. Decent everything else though she's one of the slowest characters to start out with. She's better at spell-slinging than Marle and while usually weaker, her guns get nifty side-effects. Techs: All offense all the time (aside from Hypnowave.) Lucca has tons of fire and a variety of ways to burn individual things. Her Flamethrower can burn things in a Line (damages anything in a line to the target) and Napalm is Enemy Zone but most of her fire is single-target. Party Dynamic: Lucca is similarly one-note in her dual and triple techs. More damage. Marle and Lucca are a good duo since they balance each other out. Just like in the opening cutscene! Also Antipodes refer to the poles. Antipode by itself is just 'an exact opposite'
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Leavemywife posted:My name isn't (Collective.)! hahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry for loving up your thread. Who would've thought saying Screenshot LPs should be labled as such. Also I love the entitlement in someone (Not you but someone else.) telling someone not to post.
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WitherSnow posted:hahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry for loving up your thread. Who would've thought saying Screenshot LPs should be labled as such. the fact that you keep posting in a thread you "aren't following" and keep saying things "should be" labeled is why people are telling you to shut it, by the way. put another way, your entitlement complex is showing. Really, it's in your best interests to just stop posting. I'm being serious.
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WitherSnow posted:hahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry for loving up your thread. Who would've thought saying Screenshot LPs should be labled as such. 
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Best LP smilie choice.
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WitherSnow posted:entitlement 
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EponymousMrYar posted:Lucca: Offensive Mage with all the fire attacks you could want. It's really only fitting that as Lucca mostly focuses on how to make bigger fire and explosions. I never see her get good reviews though. Everyone bemoans her as a one trick pony but she's a loving fantastic nuker.
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