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Serious Frolicking posted:Special moves that get bigger and better when you use them are my jam, and so2 had some great examples. In fact, that is pretty much what distinguishes tales games I like from those I don't (sorry, vesperia). i thought they did in vesperia? fireball started shooting more balls the more you use it for example?
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Serious Frolicking posted:Special moves that get bigger and better when you use them are my jam, and so2 had some great examples. In fact, that is pretty much what distinguishes tales games I like from those I don't (sorry, vesperia). Well, in SO2 PSP they're useless for 100% of the game instead of just the postgame.
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RadicalR posted:So as everyone know the best RPG is Suikoden 2, and it's really quite sad that we got such a buggy localization of it. Suikoden 2 is definitely messed up, but for me that's actually part of its charm. I think I'd be happy just to have an improved localization of the text even with the litany of bugs still intact. Especially the useful ones.
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Apr 19, 2015 07:03
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Nah, Suikoden 2 is a great game but it's a lot better without the bugs. I don't think any game has nailed the same sense of progression as building up the castle, even within the same series.
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The White Dragon posted:Claude is the better main character not because he's a dude or he's the fighter or more futuristic or whatever, but because starting on disc 2, Rena gets to sit through an extra couple hours of unskippable dialogue that boils down to, "In the end, we don't have a clue!
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Apr 19, 2015 07:35
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I haven't played it in ages but I don't remember her accomplishing anything of note.
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Apr 19, 2015 07:44
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I think she discovers that all the exits are blocked and gets captured again.
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Apr 19, 2015 08:02
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she escapes straight to the dude's satanic altar
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GulagDolls posted:they had personality, once. tri-ace's 3-d modeling team erased that. there is virtually no difference between fedal camus and fayt leingod I don't know, they make me save money by making me not want to buy the game, I can't fault them for that TARDISman posted:So I think I'm finally going to play Star Ocean 2. Should I have Claude or Rena as the main character or does it not matter that much? Rena. It makes the game feel more natural. I tried playing with Claude as the main character once and that was enough. Then I decided he should be relegated to number two instead of hogging the main character slot and started fresh with the girl.
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Besides that, only Rena can recruit all the swordsmen characters who all end up broken just by being able to equip the best stuff In the game.
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boblemoche posted:Besides that, only Rena can recruit all the swordsmen characters who all end up broken just by being able to equip the best stuff In the game. Literally the only difference in character availability is Dias vs Leon and Dias is loving awful. And Rena herself isn't even good at being a healbot, which is her only job. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Apr 19, 2015 |
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When I played SO2 ages ago, I think I may have stumbled upon a glitch early on in the game where you can have nobody in your active party. However I think it just fixes itself when you go into a battle.
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Relin posted:I played Star Ocean 4 and I don't remember, did it take place inside an MMO as well? Or did they retcon. No it did not, at least as far as I've been able to discover. http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/212/212052/index-3.html quote:7:33:48 PM I liked The Last Hope, I don't care what anyone says. This is a huge surprise though. I've been busy playing Fallout New Vegas and paying no mind to the Internet. Then I start looking at this thread and suddenly, out of the blue, there is an SO5 coming. I distinctly recall having a discussion with some people here just a few months ago about how the franchise was totally dead. I had planned to get a PS4 anyway but this is a mild incentive to ensure I do so. I'm sure it will be fun if nothing else. As long as the plot isn't as half-assed as 3's, I doubt I'll hate it. Infinity Gaia posted:They went the double down route, to the point where she LITERALLY betrays the party for really stupid reasons for a while. News at 11: People with horrible PTSD might act irrationally. Shion wasn't likable in 3 but that's kinda the point. Her life has fallen apart. Also humanity is going extinct. Also she's being purposefully manipulated so that she will fall apart mentally and emotionally. Also you can punch her in the face for being stupid. That whole mini-boss shows a great self-awareness that I approve of. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Apr 19, 2015 |
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They wrote themselves into a corner with SO3 and their way of dealing with it was basically saying "maybe it was an alternate universe, or something, don't think about it too much." Brilliant.
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They could retcon it so that the SO3 sim was run by the Order of the Harvest Moon to turn Fayt into a killing machine ready to face a doomsday device if given a slightest hope that he might survive.
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dis astranagant posted:I think she discovers that all the exits are blocked and gets captured again.
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NikkolasKing posted:I distinctly recall having a discussion with some people here just a few months ago about how the franchise was totally dead. It was. Considering that they're effectively saying "We're incredibly sorry for Star Ocean 4 and everything we can say about this is promising it won't be like it," this is pretty explicitly an unexpected revival in an attempt to win back fans. We'll see if it actually pulls it off but even S-E/Tri-Ace are pretty open about the fact that SO4 seriously damaged the franchise. In general it'll be interesting to see if it succeeds if just because it'll probably determine if S-E decides to invest in more console JRPGs not named Final Fantasy anytime soon. They shouldn't have FF-level sales expectations for it but it's hard to tell with S-E just how dumb their actual expectations for it are. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Apr 19, 2015 |
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Zereth posted:Oh right she "escapes" but accomplishes nothing by it, yeah. That's almost worse than not escaping at all. On the contrary, since in her path Claude is still at level 1 when meeting the boss, Rena gets to punch her captor to death, while Claude just feebly keels over dead.
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I played an hour of SO3 and it's really weird. Your friend/love interest goes to get changed and this starts to play while they joke about her clothes. The music just changes back to normal the moment you enter another room. Was that meant to be a really emotional scene or did they forget what track they used during the scene? 
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ImpAtom posted:It was. Considering that they're effectively saying "We're incredibly sorry for Star Ocean 4 and everything we can say about this is promising it won't be like it," this is pretty explicitly an unexpected revival in an attempt to win back fans. We'll see if it actually pulls it off but even S-E/Tri-Ace are pretty open about the fact that SO4 seriously damaged the franchise. Not to get into "real fans" mentality but if everything I've read is any indication, most people who considered themselves Star Ocean fans going into 3 abandoned the franchise after the infamous twist. I've heard more people say they quit the series because of Till than the End of Time than The Last Hope, probably because 3 scared them off before they got to 4. Of course there's no denying 3 sold really well. It's just Like Fallout 3 which I recently played for the first time. Sold millions of copies, extremely popular, but try to find someone online who actually likes it. Well, when it comes to forums such as this anyway. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Apr 19, 2015 |
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NikkolasKing posted:try to find someone online who actually likes it. Well, when it comes to forums such as this anyway. Hahaha. (Seriously, you're not missing out except for a bunch of boring internet arguments. But you definitely didn't see them).
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NikkolasKing posted:. Sold millions of copies, extremely popular, but try to find someone online who actually likes it. Well, when it comes to forums such as this anyway. There are tons of people on this forum who like FO3. The Fallout:NV thread was full of arguments over if it was better or worse than FO3.
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Meh, I never paid too much attention since I only played the games this month but I did happen upon people here and there talking about them years back and it was pretty much nothing but "3 sucks, NV is way better in every way but especially writing." I liked 3 well enough and I certainly don't get the hate, but I would say I've enjoyed NV more.
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ImpAtom posted:There are tons of people on this forum who like FO3. The Fallout:NV thread was full of arguments over if it was better or worse than FO3. Haha, for a second there I read that as NV and SO3 being compared. What a bizarre argument that would've been.
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"Fallout 3 is good but New Vegas is great," while a very common, understandable, and (in my opinion) correct sentiment, isn't conducive to the melodrama and elitism that characterize arguments that geeks have on the Internet. See: the final fantasy thread title.
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Speaking of games that sold pretty great but I hear nothing of poo poo about online, what are the Fable games like? I got a 369 now and I'm thinking of checking out its RPG catalog. I've been told its very different from any other WRPG I've played. No companions like a BW game, no exploration like in Fallout 3, etc.. For JRPGs I might also look into Tales of Vesperia since everyone loves it and it be a good introduction to that franchise which I've been looking to try for a long, long time now. I really don't know if I want to start with Vesperia, Symphonia or Abyss. (I have a PS3 and PS2 for those two already)
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Vesperia probably. Symphonia is a little dated and a lot of people dislike Abyss's intro since the lead is (intentionally) a huge dick at the start of the game up until about the 15 hour mark.
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NikkolasKing posted:Speaking of games that sold pretty great but I hear nothing of poo poo about online, what are the Fable games like? I got a 369 now and I'm thinking of checking out its RPG catalog. I've been told its very different from any other WRPG I've played. No companions like a BW game, no exploration like in Fallout 3, etc.. They're full of over-promised gameplay mehcanics that were never completed. But you've got a console, so you can play the good one, Fable 2. If you don't like that, you won't like any of them.
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The stupidest decision they made with Star Ocean 4, other than you know, making it so terrible, was having it be an Xbox exclusive for an entire year before releasing the update on PS3, thus killing any hype or momentum for it whatsoever before most RPG fans even got the chance to play it
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True, as ps3 owners had plenty of time to find out how amazingly terrible it was. If it was a simultaneous release I'm sure more suckers would have bought it before the word got out.
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What's a good obscure-ish RPG from the 16-bit era? I've already played Metal Max Returns, the Gaia games, and an okay amount of random fan-translated stuff. I bought SO4 knowing full well what it was, partially cause it was $10 and mostly cause I'm bad at avoiding bad things.
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NikkolasKing posted:Speaking of games that sold pretty great but I hear nothing of poo poo about online, what are the Fable games like? Full of awful dialog and boring combat. In Fable 2, you could literally go through most combat encounters in the first half of the game by mashing Y to fire your gun over and over without even moving. The gun auto aims, and the enemies are so slow you could just hammer the button and kill everything before it got to you. All the immersive world stuff boils down to things like all NPCs having sliders showing whether they're happy or mad at you, scared or amused, etc. Then most of their dialog is like "I FIND YOU SCARY." None of it matters and it can be manipulated by just standing in front of crowds and farting at them or whatever until you've got the numbers you want. It's a series that wants you to think there's a big expansive world to dig into, but it's all really shallow and really obviously so.
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Million Ghosts posted:What's a good obscure-ish RPG from the 16-bit era? I've already played Metal Max Returns, the Gaia games, and an okay amount of random fan-translated stuff. Live-a-live
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Million Ghosts posted:What's a good obscure-ish RPG from the 16-bit era? I've already played Metal Max Returns, the Gaia games, and an okay amount of random fan-translated stuff. Does EVO count as obscure-ish?
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Both of those are super good games, maybe I'll play Live-a-live again and not start with the stupid ninja section.
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What's Metal Max Returns? I am looking at some screen like now and I like what I see, looks like something out desert punk.
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Really open-ended for an old jrpg, sometimes annoyingly so. The setting is very cool and the sprite art for all the different tanks is well done. I like it a lot but I'd never play it without a guide open, there's just way too much missable and obscure poo poo. If you can handle it being old and janky, for sure give it a go. There's also Metal Saga on PS2 which has basically all of the same strengths/weaknesses, with added dog party members.
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Million Ghosts posted:What's a good obscure-ish RPG from the 16-bit era? I've already played Metal Max Returns, the Gaia games, and an okay amount of random fan-translated stuff. Rudra no Hihou, AKA Treasure of the Rudra(s).
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