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thespaceinvader posted:'A steampunk' 
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Apr 25, 2015 18:21
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:*whirring noise as the cog-covered copper dildo starts expelling steam from its eleven vents* same
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Apr 25, 2015 18:21
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Zurui posted:A Punk made of Steam. Agreed on the ending, but I really liked the Difference Engine because yeah, all their "tech" does is further the racial, sex, and class divides even further. It's a compelling read imo.
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Apr 25, 2015 18:28
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I wonder if I would get in trouble if I bought that as a wedding present for the "steampunk wedding" I have to go to next month.
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Apr 25, 2015 18:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLlj_GeKniA
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Apr 25, 2015 18:36
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LOL the nicotine cum cum stains are part of the cover design, not just the normal used book store patina
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Apr 25, 2015 18:37
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Len posted:I wonder if I would get in trouble if I bought that as a wedding present for the "steampunk wedding" I have to go to next month. 
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Apr 25, 2015 18:42
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fosborb posted:LOL the nicotine cum cum stains are part of the cover design, not just the normal used book store patina That soot gets everywhere.
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Apr 25, 2015 18:44
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When I said "abused" I meant "used the wrong way", like, say, as a way to describe a person. Get your mind out of the gutter people. Maybe it would be best to use a different term to describe a setting where an antiquated technology developped to the point that it's possible to obtain results on par with our technology (maybe -tech?) but the problem is that the term steampunk has gained too much momentum and there is no stopping it now.
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Apr 25, 2015 18:48
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paradoxGentleman posted:When I said "abused" I meant "used the wrong way", like, say, as a way to describe a person. Get your mind out of the gutter people. I've seen "magitech" used in this way all the time. Admittedly mostly for Final Fantasy games, but still.
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Apr 25, 2015 19:05
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Example: if I make a game that's all about Dickensonian working condition with bright-eyed revolutionaries stealing equipment to use against the owner of the factory, that's steampunk. If I make a game about gentlemen and inventors soaring through the skies on Wonder of the Age to explore the hidden corners of the world, that's steamtech.
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Apr 25, 2015 19:13
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When the Folgios first started doing Girl Genius they called it "Gaslight Fantasy" or something similar because even back then they realized there was nothing at all punk about their world-setting.
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Apr 25, 2015 19:22
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paradoxGentleman posted:If I make a game about gentlemen and inventors soaring through the skies on Wonder of the Age to explore the hidden corners of the world, that's steamtech. "I want to live in a Jules Verne story, but I don't understand that they're critiques of late 19th-century society instead of celebrations of imperialism." Len posted:I wonder if I would get in trouble if I bought that as a wedding present for the "steampunk wedding" I have to go to next month. If you are going to a steampunk wedding, you're already in trouble.
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Apr 25, 2015 19:32
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Len posted:I wonder if I would get in trouble if I bought that as a wedding present for the "steampunk wedding" I have to go to next month. Will this wedding take place on a stage constructed of dirty child-laborers?
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Apr 25, 2015 19:45
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Nuns with Guns posted:Will this wedding take place on a stage constructed of dirty child-laborers? Would it make it better or worse if it did?
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Apr 25, 2015 19:52
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It'd be more historically accurate, anyway,
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Apr 25, 2015 21:59
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Fantasy Craft had a setting called Epoch where you played a fantasy version of South American natives struggling against a Aztec Empire empowered by black magic, it was probably the most interesting of the mini-settings they did in Adventure Companion.
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Apr 25, 2015 22:15
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Fantasy Craft had a setting called Epoch where you played a fantasy version of South American natives struggling against a Aztec Empire empowered by black magic, it was probably the most interesting of the mini-settings they did in Adventure Companion. That sounds pretty rad, honestly. Was it tastefully done?
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Apr 25, 2015 22:21
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Covok posted:That sounds pretty rad, honestly. Was it tastefully done? what does your heart tell you
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Apr 25, 2015 22:42
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Covok posted:That sounds pretty rad, honestly. Was it tastefully done? It's always hard to say when it's all converted to pure fantasy, with nothing deeply based on real cultures. It could definitely be criticized for leaning on the idea of the noble savage archetype, where people were fractious but basically good and repected nature nature until the newer civilization came along and hosed things up, and relies on some cultural mish-mash like counting coup. On the other hand, it goes all the goddamn way with it, where the invaders build cities with bone towers, summon demons, and use corrupting magic. I don't feel like I'm in a great place to say exactly how sensitive it is but I can definitely see some eye-rolling going on. On the the other hand, I do like the idea of struggling against a foe that's both technologically and magically superior, which isn't something you see in most RPG fantasy settings (Dark Sun is about the only one that comes to mind).
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Apr 25, 2015 22:44
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What the gently caress would Alan Moore write in this?
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Apr 25, 2015 23:28
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chaos rhames posted:What the gently caress would Alan Moore write in this?
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Apr 25, 2015 23:31
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Zurui posted:"I want to live in a Jules Verne story, but I don't understand that they're critiques of late 19th-century society instead of celebrations of imperialism." One can understand what Verne was trying to say and disapprove of imperialism while still wanting to play a game like this, just like one can understand that busting into people's homes to take their stuff because they are always chaotic evil is wrong and still enjoy a D&D clone.
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Apr 26, 2015 00:36
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As a weird side note, both the actual Steampunk-y RPGs I own actually kind of get the -punk side of things pretty well. One of them actually predates the movement as a general thing- Castle Falkenstein. But one of the key setting points in it is that the accelerated tech in the setting is a bad thing; tech is developing faster than safety or social reforms can keep up, and deliberately so, because one of the key people behind this wants to destroy humanity. (Meanwhile, the humans going along with this just see it as a way to get rich and don't care about the workers that get maimed or killed because they're victorian era industrialists and are thus lovely human beings.) It does have the general assumption that the PCs are the -good- members of the aristocracy, though. Meanwhile, Airship Pirates explicitly has a global oppressive Victorian empire because a steampunk band got access to a time machine and ruined everything forever. That's not even subtext or an unintended reading, they hosed up everything and now there's only roving bands of nomads and a few free sky-based cities outside of imperial control because drunk members of Abney Park tried to make history more Steampunky without considering the consequences. unseenlibrarian fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Apr 26, 2015 |
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Apr 26, 2015 00:56
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Zurui posted:A Punk made of Steam. Well yes, that's the original point. Steampunk, like cyberpunk before it, was initially about how technology is an amoral force rather than a shining beacon of hope and can very easily make the lives of people shittier. It's just the period of breakneck progress is the Industrial Revolution instead of the Moore's Law addled late 20th-21st centuries. That being said, while I find the more...romantic take on the Victorian period reached its saturation point and has become a bit of a parody of itself (lol that sex guide), I do find some of the bitching about steampunk reminiscent of that rant Jimbozig went on a while back about how could anyone like pirate games and media because they were all horrible people IRL.Sometimes you just want a game with airships.
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Apr 26, 2015 01:32
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I think the rise of Steampunk (and the Victorian steam-technology aesthetic) has a lot to with a crisis in modern SF. So much of what SF promised has either been proved ridiculous (aliens, asteroid mining, mars colonies, space industry, not to mention things like psionics and our sapient dolphin friends), banal (smartphones, the internet), or terrifying (AI, automation, panopticon surveillance, ecological collapse), so there's an increasing tendency to turn away from The Future and re-create an imagined past where Great Things were possible. People like to read optimistic stories, and it's increasingly hard to write credible SF stories with an optimistic tilt. If you can't look to the future, and the present is awful, well, bring on the reimagined past.
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Apr 26, 2015 01:49
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Zurui posted:"I want to live in a Jules Verne story, but I don't understand that they're critiques of late 19th-century society instead of celebrations of imperialism." It may just be time eroding my memory, but I don't remember much space in Verne's stories being devoted to deconstructing 19th century social mores so much as they were him gushing about then theoretical technology like the submarine or the airship and spending way too long on what amounts to technobabble about electric batteries and propeller driven vehicles. Wells was all about criticizing things though, really explicitly in War of the Worlds or The Time Machine in particular.
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Apr 26, 2015 01:52
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My all time favorite miss-use of steampunk was in a review for a video game I read a few years back. It was a cyberpunk mecha rail shooter and the reviewer said something like, "The aesthetics are like steampunk, but more futuristic, lots of wires and neon, I call it 'electricpunk' "
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Apr 26, 2015 02:04
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Bucnasti posted:My all time favorite miss-use of steampunk was in a review for a video game I read a few years back. It was a cyberpunk mecha rail shooter and the reviewer said something like, "The aesthetics are like steampunk, but more futuristic, lots of wires and neon, I call it 'electricpunk' "  what
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Apr 26, 2015 02:09
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Zereth posted:... cyperpunk is for olds now grampa *listens to macklemore, rides off on his scooter to 11th grade english*
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Apr 26, 2015 02:21
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Forums Terrorist posted:cyperpunk is for olds now grampa Electricpunk is dumb as hell, but this is completely true.
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Apr 26, 2015 02:47
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Bob Quixote posted:It may just be time eroding my memory, but I don't remember much space in Verne's stories being devoted to deconstructing 19th century social mores so much as they were him gushing about then theoretical technology like the submarine or the airship and spending way too long on what amounts to technobabble about electric batteries and propeller driven vehicles. I know in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Captain Nemo is a bitter prince of the Indian Subcontinent basically waging a one-ship guerrilla campaign against the world's imperialist powers. Not sure about Around the World in 80 Days, though.
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Apr 26, 2015 03:35
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Davin Valkri posted:I know in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Captain Nemo is a bitter prince of the Indian Subcontinent basically waging a one-ship guerrilla campaign against the world's imperialist powers. Not sure about Around the World in 80 Days, though. Fair point- its been years since I have read 20,000 Leagues and as a kid I tended to re-read Journey to the Center of the Earth way more often. I don't recall them getting to explicit with Nemo's origins in the book (could be memory once again), but now that I think about it I do remember him sinking a warship or two on principles.
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Apr 26, 2015 03:46
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Forums Terrorist posted:cyperpunk is for olds now grampa *listens to macklemore, rides off on his scooter to 11th grade english* This is because cyberpunk came true.
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Apr 26, 2015 05:21
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Bob Quixote posted:Fair point- its been years since I have read 20,000 Leagues and as a kid I tended to re-read Journey to the Center of the Earth way more often. I don't recall them getting to explicit with Nemo's origins in the book (could be memory once again), but now that I think about it I do remember him sinking a warship or two on principles. Nemo was originally Polish with a serious grudge against Russia for its civilian-slaughtering ways during the January Uprising, but the publisher felt that was too inflammatory and so it was altered. It's one of those times when cowardly editorial meddling produced a more interesting end product I think.
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Apr 26, 2015 05:46
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The Poland Navy.
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Apr 26, 2015 05:49
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i'm sure it already exists, what qualifies as wizardpunk that you folks have read or otherwise consumed
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Apr 26, 2015 05:51
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drat imagine if the Nautilus had hussar wings and was called Kurwa and could never go into space
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Apr 26, 2015 05:54
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Tollymain posted:i'm sure it already exists, what qualifies as wizardpunk that you folks have read or otherwise consumed Black Company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Company The oppressive system is the Lady and her Taken / The Dominator depending on scope. The moral ambiguity comes from all sides being evil, just to stay ahead. The transformative properties probably aren't that prominent, but hiding in and making deals with the system and becoming part of it kinda works.
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