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Vagabundo posted:I would like to bring everyone's attention to the fact that in Japan, the film will be released in June as Mad Max: Death Road of Fury. Crossing between English and Japanese does something slightly beautiful to movie titles I've come to realize. Either direction, really. In other news, I was wrong way back about there being an MFP badge on Joe's chestplate. It's just some navy thing.  Maybe some of the things on there mean something to somebody, but they look kinda generic to me. Aside from the cell phone with its faceplate taken off at least. victrix posted:It may not have been, I think he was in Rictus' vehicle then, not his own Gigahorse. Yeah, they were def rolling in The Big Foot at that time.
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victrix posted:I've never seen one before, anything interesting about them? The screens were really nice, the seating was very comfortable and spread out, and no one talked. While I was stationed in Japan, there were three I went to, all the same. Plus, there's just something about Japanese trailers I enjoy, with their giant white kanji on the screen and serious guy voiceovers.
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TerminalBlue posted:
I sort of interpreted it as this:  Joe's cult of personality is basically based around exploitation after all.
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May 19, 2015 08:52
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Vagabundo posted:Another thing that occurred to me about Nux's character arc: Correction: Max gives him one boot, as he already had one, though Max was the one who took the other boot in the first place. 
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Vagabundo posted:I sort of interpreted it as this: Oh for sure. I was just disappointed to find out there wasn't some new intricate detail I could find out by close inspection. They totally should've thrown an MFP badge on there, just saying.
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victrix posted:It may not have been, I think he was in Rictus' vehicle then, not his own. You're correct. Also, the badges on Joe's breastplate are his xbox achievements.
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May 19, 2015 09:05
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Yeah, this imagery was really strong in the movie, I first starting feeling it during the Buzzer/Buzzerds fight. Those vehicles and weapons really were designed to gently caress up other vehicles at high speed.
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May 19, 2015 09:27
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TerminalBlue posted:
That totally looks like a Nokia 3510i. I had one as my very first cell phone. 
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cthulusnewzulubbq posted:Also, the badges on Joe's breastplate are his xbox achievements. It all makes sense now. Order is restored. Now back to my neverending game of Outlander.
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TerminalBlue posted:Crossing between English and Japanese does something slightly beautiful to movie titles I've come to realize. Either direction, really. Fast & Furious movies are "Wild Speed" in Japan, with the best being Fast 5 (Wild Speed Mega Max, the sequel to Wild Speed Max) and Furious 7 (Wild Speed: Sky Mission).
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Crazy badass movie and a really fun ride from start to finish. Looked great, the aesthetic was awesome, loaded with style and nuance, and had just the right amount of camp - goofy as gently caress villains but they gave the world a lot of color. Had a blast the whole time. Furiosa was a total badass and a great character, and I'd love to see her return in a sequel at least in some capacity. If I have one criticism it's that Max didn't really have an arc. It didn't even need to be a Mad Max movie. Set in the same universe, sure, but Max could have been any other character and it would've been the same. I'm fine with him taking a back seat, but all his moral conflicts were resolved immediately (I will go my own way, no wait I'll come with you), and the flashes to his family dying went nowhere. Maybe he just wasn't a reluctant enough hero for me - Max loving off until they wrecked his precious V-8 and killed his dog was what made his motivations for the final truck run in Road Warrior so great. Still, everything else rocked and I really liked the distinctive tribes and how much of a character the war rig itself was. I also liked the little nods to the previous ones, like the brief flash of Toecutter's bulging eyes.
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Isn't that true for most of the Max movies? It's usually Max stumbling into somebody else's adventure.
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Baron Bifford posted:Isn't that true for most of the Max movies? It's usually Max stumbling into somebody else's adventure. Yeah, and I actually really like that when it happens in film. It's part of what makes Big Trouble in Little China so good.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Yeah, and I actually really like that when it happens in film. It's part of what makes Big Trouble in Little China so good. And yet at the same time, he seems actually more successfully pro-active in this movie. Used to be, he goes his own way, gets wrecked, he goes along with someone else's plan, it kinda works out. At least in the previous two. Here, while initially reluctant, he ends up doing and suggesting things that actually work out! It was his idea to go back to the Citadel after all Vagabundo posted:Another thing that occurred to me about Nux's character arc: My favorite arc in the movie I think. Edit: I really liked that no one ever actually went "Ugh this Valhalla poo poo is lame these guys are just retards." Yes, Joe's cult is manipulative, and Capable doesn't really understand Nux's despair over having failed to go out with a bang three times, but she only goes "Well maybe your destiny is still to come (or something)." One of them prays, which confuses the others but I think ultimately the movie makes a good distinction between Joe's lovely manipulative religion and just being in some way comforted by personal faith? I mean, many of the Warboys are implied to be looking at a really lovely lifespan in a brutal world, so I don't begrudge them their weird Norse V8 faith if the idea of a way more radical afterlife gives em comfort...and neither seem the protagonists. They're just young guys being used by an rear end in a top hat. It's such a small line, but when Nux went "Feels like hope." after Max explains his plan, that's probably the point where he's ready to later die to preserve that hope for them. They've treated him well, better than Joe and his friend ever have, and granted him the privilege of driving the rig, but he has to know that they're not gonna magic up a cure for him even if they win. Even if they turn the Citadel into a better kind of society, he's not gonna be part of it for very long at all. But when that climactic scene comes around, what better way to earn a spot in Valhalla than to die protecting few from many? I am really bad at this because I don't usually think much on this. Generally pretty secular country over here. And of course none of this is explicitly said so hey, I might be wrong. I'm not religious myself but I do prefer it when there's no "Ugh, non-judeochristian faith (or worse, any faith) is stupid" message in a movie that involves a weird cult. Psykmoe fucked around with this message at 11:40 on May 19, 2015 |
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sticklefifer posted:Crazy badass movie and a really fun ride from start to finish. Looked great, the aesthetic was awesome, loaded with style and nuance, and had just the right amount of camp - goofy as gently caress villains but they gave the world a lot of color. Had a blast the whole time. Furiosa was a total badass and a great character, and I'd love to see her return in a sequel at least in some capacity. I don't think Furiosa should return in a sequel. Her story is pretty much done, and every Mad Max movie so far has basically been a standalone movie, so I'm hoping for something new and cool, like this movie is compared to the previouse ones instea of continuing a story that is pretty much done. If the previous Mad Max movies are anything to go by, it's possible that Charlize Theron will return, playing some character kind of like Furiosa, who isn't Furiosa. Mad Max also works without the characterization and an arc, because as far as I see, apart from the first one, he is not truly the main character, he is the title character, who stumbles across the plot of the movie, makes an impact on it, the plot concludes and Mad Max moves on. VikingSkull posted:Considering my username and how much time I spend watching auto racing, Joe's religion made perfect sense to me Warboys' religion was amazing. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 11:44 on May 19, 2015 |
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Considering my username and how much time I spend watching auto racing, Joe's religion made perfect sense to me 
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Baron Bifford posted:Isn't that true for most of the Max movies? It's usually Max stumbling into somebody else's adventure. It is, after the first movie. Road Warrior and Beyond Thunderdome both see Max as a reluctant hero at best and a self-serving antihero at worst. He's selfish and mercenary at first but then gets revenge against those who have wronged him. He doesn't drive the tanker in Road Warrior just out of the goodness of his heart, he knows he'll be able to gently caress up Humungous & Co big time if he does it. Similarly, he takes the kids to Bartertown because it'll give him a chance to gently caress over Auntie Entity. Sure, he was protecting them but if he really wanted to protect them he would've done anything to keep them the gently caress away from there. We skipped that first part in Fury Road, he doesn't cut a deal with anyone before going about getting revenge, but it's largely the same arc. Max never really grows as a person in any of his movies as he's fundamentally broken and, one could argue, simply a force of nature as the quintessential Lost Soul Bent On Revenge.
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BlackIronHeart posted:It is, after the first movie. Road Warrior and Beyond Thunderdome both see Max as a reluctant hero at best and a self-serving antihero at worst. He's selfish and mercenary at first but then gets revenge against those who have wronged him. He doesn't drive the tanker in Road Warrior just out of the goodness of his heart, he knows he'll be able to gently caress up Humungous & Co big time if he does it. Similarly, he takes the kids to Bartertown because it'll give him a chance to gently caress over Auntie Entity. Sure, he was protecting them but if he really wanted to protect them he would've done anything to keep them the gently caress away from there. Just a small point, he doesn't bring the kids to Bartertown, it's just that by the time he reaches Savannah and the rest, they have no water and Bartertown is closer. Remember, they left the most capable fighters at the oasis.
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My favorite implication of the Valhalla religion is that instead of being personally escorted to its gates by Immortan, Nux will be carried there by Valkyries.
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Triskelli posted:My favorite implication of the Valhalla religion is that instead of being personally escorted to its gates by Immortan, Nux will be carried there by Valkyries. While shouting "Oh, what a day! What a lovely day!"
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Strangely enough the actor portraying Max could change every movie and it would work. Wouldnt have to even be a white man. Basically each movie could be a tall tale as told around a camp fire. I was thinking about the stilt people. They possibly could be on those stilts as a way to stalk animals in the mud under them. Like gigging for frogs or flounders(stabbing with a spear).
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LingcodKilla posted:Strangely enough the actor portraying Max could change every movie and it would work. Wouldnt have to even be a white man. Basically each movie could be a tall tale as told around a camp fire. And it's a way to not touch the poisoned (radioactive?) water that the old ladies mentioned.
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Psykmoe posted:And of course none of this is explicitly said so hey, I might be wrong. I'm not religious myself but I do prefer it when there's no "Ugh, non-judeochristian faith (or worse, any faith) is stupid" message in a movie that involves a weird cult. Yeah, thats pretty much what I got from the Nux arc and the warboys religion as we. I really liked that even though the warboys are antagonist throughout Miller never really seem to look down on them. he showed they were hosed up, but made sure to show the audience could see the reason why. It was a really good choice for the film to spend time showing them interacting between themselves and with Furiosa before the chase really kicked off. Poor Furiosa's warboy colleagues, loyal to pretty much their end 
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The only villain in the series that's truly evil is the Toecutter/Bubba Zanetti combo, all the others have a clear motivation. There might be people with better morals than others in the series, but starting in the Road Warrior, you can at least understand the bad guys reasoning.
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VikingSkull posted:The only villain in the series that's truly evil is the Toecutter/Bubba Zanetti combo, all the others have a clear motivation. There might be people with better morals than others in the series, but starting in the Road Warrior, you can at least understand the bad guys reasoning. Mhmm yea, gotta keep those babes in my rape dungeon.
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Joe is pretty loving evil. Yeah he has motivations but those motivations are "let's keep slaves in my dungeon so they can give me sons and gently caress everyone else"
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hemale in pain posted:Mhmm yea, gotta keep those babes in my rape dungeon. Dude just wanted an heir, he's pretty much a CK2 character.
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hemale in pain posted:Mhmm yea, gotta keep those babes in my rape dungeon. Well yeah, of course that's terrible. I'm not endorsing that today, Jesus. But, in the world he exists in, you can understand why he's doing it. He has a motivation. He's clearly a bad man, so is the People Eater and Bullet Farmer. No one outside of the first film is evil just for the sake of it, that's my point.
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I'm gonna say Joe is evil, he lives in a splendid skull castle and controls everyone via water and food (I assume) He milks ladies against their will, captures and rapes women in an attempt to create a pure race and has created a religion around himself where he sends young guys to their deaths.
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hemale in pain posted:I'm gonna say Joe is evil, he lives in a splendid skull castle and controls everyone via water and food (I assume) He milks ladies against their will, captures and rapes women in an attempt to create a pure race and has created a religion around himself where he sends young guys to their deaths. Evil for the sake of it, he's talking about. Like just mindless killing. Joe's actions are evil sure, but he does have reasoning behind them.
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dr_rat posted:Evil for the sake of it, he's talking about. Like just mindless killing. Joe's actions are evil sure, but he does have reasoning behind them. I guess but I'd still say Joe is truly evil. Probably worst than Toecutter considering the number of people he's hurting.
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dr_rat posted:Evil for the sake of it, he's talking about. Like just mindless killing. Joe's actions are evil sure, but he does have reasoning behind them. Yeah, exactly. I'm not saying he's not evil, but when you get down to it that world favors the evil. Everyone has questionable morals here, some more than others. These are war movies at their base, and one message in war films is that lacking empathy for your enemies leads you down a bad path. Miller is a genius at showing you a full character of the evil side, because that lack of empathy for others, no matter how bad, is what created the wasteland in the first place.
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Randarkman posted:Dude just wanted an heir, he's pretty much a CK2 character. I think they even made a CKII post apocalypse mod...
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I really like the idea that the bullet farm is like an actual 'farm' in that plow like vehicles are digging up bullets in the dirt, and there's enough in there for them to be digging them up for some time. I also wonder if the other warlords have their own corresponding religions revolving around their sacred resources. And that brief shot of two bikers in their little campsite when the war rig is getting chased back. Shows how destitute their tiny gang was, that it started as just a dozen guys on bikes and reduced to a couple of guys unwilling to deal with another fracas. The Buzzard truck with the backhoe on it felt like a 'boss battle' in that particular encounter.
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Randarkman posted:Dude just wanted an heir, he's pretty much a CK2 character. Yeah, I think we're seeing basically a medieval-style power struggle. Not to say that the society Joe built wasn't hosed up, and we can debate the definition of evil forever. But it didn't represent destruction and mindless chaos the antagonists in this sort of stuff usually does. Joe was building what he thought was society, and as the king of that society he was ultimately replaced by a new better order. One wonders if his remaining children from the surviving wives will one day rule, preserving his dynasty. I was totally expecting him to just kill Nux for his failure. Instead the film gave him a sort of dignity when he forgave Nux. See also his grief at the loss of his heir. Also he gave his followers free healthcare. Fangz fucked around with this message at 13:15 on May 19, 2015 |
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Fangz posted:Yeah, I think we're seeing basically a medieval-style power struggle. Not to say that the society Joe built wasn't hosed up, and we can debate the definition of evil forever. But it didn't represent destruction and mindless chaos the antagonists in this sort of stuff usually does. Joe was building what he thought was society, and as the king of that society he was ultimately replaced by a new better order. One wonders if his remaining children from the surviving wives will one day rule, preserving his dynasty. Even the  scene, when Nux absolutely fails... he doesn't call him a loser or a failure, he just points out that it was an average effort. He doesn't cast Nux out or anything, Nux just feels so bad that he casts himself out.
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chitoryu12 posted:The best part of this is that Rictus is firing his giant machine gun off-screen when he does it, and they sync up in such a way that I initially thought that the machine gun was the inhuman sound Joe was making. This was a really cool effect that happened at least two other times in the film: Once, when Max was strapped to the car you see his jaw rattling and hear (presumably) his teeth clacking together, but then it's road noise from something rattling in the car (the chrome bobble-head bird maybe?) and a second time I don't remember. (I Just remember thinking "Oh it's that effect again!") e: TerminalBlue posted:
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Saw it just then, tightarse Tuesday cinema was packed - more so than I've seen for a film own here in yonks. Loved it.
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One of my favorite things in this movie is how twitchy Max is. His arc from snarling feral to something resembling a man is fantastic, but even at the end he's still weird and twitchy and has all these tics when he's sitting still. Hardy does so much physical acting with just his face and his gestures. The guy is a hell of an actor.
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