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I don't feel that bad about the Kings getting wiped out with the House ending. First of all it only happens if you settle the beef between the NCR and the Kings, second of all gently caress 'em they're just another gang even if the leader seems like a chill dude. What happens when he dies and some dildo takes over?
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Moridin920 posted:I don't feel that bad about the Kings getting wiped out with the House ending. First of all it only happens if you settle the beef between the NCR and the Kings, second of all gently caress 'em they're just another gang even if the leader seems like a chill dude. What happens when he dies and some dildo takes over? Pacer, for example.
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May 13, 2015 19:29
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I mean I was sad the first time don't get me wrong. My reaction was definitely 'aw but the Kings were being chillers why'd you go robot genocide them' but upon reflection gently caress 'em their Elvis gimmick isn't good enough to redeem them.
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May 13, 2015 19:40
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The kings attack any group that ends up coming to their turf. They did it with the Van Graffs until the Van Graffs killed enough of them. House just didn't see the humor in a right of passage by blood and didn't want to share freeside.
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May 13, 2015 19:50
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Still not sure what the Kings did to actually help Freeside. Charging destitute settlers for water and acting as hired muscle for wealthy visitors to New Vegas?
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May 13, 2015 20:12
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Dr Cheeto posted:Still not sure what the Kings did to actually help Freeside. Charging destitute settlers for water and acting as hired muscle for wealthy visitors to New Vegas? As near as I can tell they helped it from becoming a total clusterfuck by at least being a local strong man authority that kept some semblance of order versus having 10 petty gangs all competing against each other. Who knows though. Maybe House's robots kept the peace but it seems like they were just concerned with making sure the Strip remained safe, especially if people were hiring muscle to get them through Freeside. Not a huge mark in their favor that they started shoot outs with the NCR over trivial poo poo.
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May 13, 2015 20:16
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Dr Cheeto posted:Still not sure what the Kings did to actually help Freeside. Charging destitute settlers for water and acting as hired muscle for wealthy visitors to New Vegas? It would help to do some research into real life street gangs and why they form. Gangs are typically a means for disenfranchised people to unite in their community when the authority in charge doesn't provide for or protect them. They often turn to crime and harming others, either engaging in "street justice" or using the more easily accessible criminal enterprises like the drug trade (often because the members aren't able to get worthwhile legitimate jobs due to their disenfranchisement; this is why so many gangs are made up of ethnic minorities that are often subject to systematic racism), but they don't often form simply because they're a bunch of sociopaths wanting to kill and rob people. The Cosa Nostra dates back to Sicilian thugs and bandits being recruited as police officers by wealthy members of the community where they were unable to get official constabulary. The Crips date back to black Americans being excluded from social organization and subject to mass poverty after World War II. The narrative around the Kings supports this. They were a tribe that rejected House's offer of being reformed into one of the casino families and thus were relegated to the slums of Freeside. They openly operate protective services like bodyguards-for-hire and are responsible for keeping crime at least organized with a minimum of gang warfare. In the endings, helping the Kings and NCR ease their tensions results in the Kings assisting Freeside in gaining stability and providing relief for the citizens.
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May 13, 2015 21:20
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Someone in the warehouse next to my office is BLASTING Big Iron it's great.
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May 18, 2015 20:45
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2house2fly posted:Luckily the announcement will not be a title logo on a screen, because there will be no announcement. Bets? http://www.destructoid.com/pretty-much-confirmed-guillermo-del-toro-s-production-company-creating-fallout-4-trailer-291924.phtml
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May 19, 2015 22:09
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Doodles posted:Bets? so fallout 4 confrimed cancelled then?
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May 19, 2015 23:01
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Doodles posted:Bets? I was a little ticked the other day to see the Doom 4 teaser and assumed that's all they'd be revealing there. However, Fallout 4 would be great. Still feel JSawyer and Obsidian should be making it though. Best we can hope for is Bethesda learned a bit from them and decided to try and imitate them in Fallout 4.
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May 19, 2015 23:08
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Swartz posted:JSawyer and Obsidian should be making it though. Best we can hope for is Bethesda learned a bit from them and decided to try and imitate them in Fallout 4.  I'd also take Machinegames for some reason. Probably cause of how good The New Order was and because I know they're affiliated with Bethesda. After Fallout 3, I don't trust Bethesda with Fallout.
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May 19, 2015 23:12
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Swartz posted:I was a little ticked the other day to see the Doom 4 teaser and assumed that's all they'd be revealing there. However, Fallout 4 would be great. Still feel JSawyer and Obsidian should be making it though. Best we can hope for is Bethesda learned a bit from them and decided to try and imitate them in Fallout 4. They might be announcing Doom 4 early as their big showpiece to keep people from expecting Fallout 4.
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May 19, 2015 23:17
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Take of two Wastelands update: Lincoln's Repeater with .44 SWC is the bee's knees.
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May 20, 2015 00:00
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I realize these games take a lot longer to make than most other ones, but if they don't announce it at E3, they probably aren't announcing it any time soon, and I will be Real Mad because New Vegas has been out for loving ever.
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Wow, thread is still seemingly active.. I just reinstalled this on my new PC, but I'm getting some weird choppy lag issues. Random pauses before menus and chats, and audio is all kinds of hosed. I was firing a shotgun at a gecko and heard it hit the ground around the gecko before I heard the gunshot. Vendors will start mouthing words seconds before whatever they're saying plays. I'm not sure what the problem could be, this PC is brand new. Any suggestions?
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May 20, 2015 00:53
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Lord Chumley posted:so fallout 4 confrimed cancelled then? Jim Sterling made that same joke on his Twitter about five minutes after the story broke. Oh, you should have heard the screaming. I expected the Doom announcement, and also expect to hear about Battlecry, the PvP game Bethesda's bankrolling, because there had been work shown off on both games last year. (Bethesda kept a tight rein on the Quakecon footage of Doom.) Fallout 4 was the final thing I figured on simply because of the timeline, but there's always the comedy option of Rage 2: Even More Pointless Driving. 
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New Leaf posted:Wow, thread is still seemingly active.. I just reinstalled this on my new PC, but I'm getting some weird choppy lag issues. Random pauses before menus and chats, and audio is all kinds of hosed. I was firing a shotgun at a gecko and heard it hit the ground around the gecko before I heard the gunshot. Vendors will start mouthing words seconds before whatever they're saying plays. I'm not sure what the problem could be, this PC is brand new. Any suggestions? Playing on the 360, I occasionally get audio lag too. It's irritating in that slightly irrational way, because the Pip-Boy doesn't sound like it should and your footsteps play just seconds after walking. I have no solution unfortunately, I just reset and most of the time it works itself out. I wouldn't know where to begin if it's a constant problem. Weirdly I've never had the problem with Fallout 3.
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May 20, 2015 06:28
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I suppose it hasn't been said but are we still assuming Fallout 4 is in Boston? I've been there once, I guess there's lots of president/America stuff there so it could work, I dunno. edit: if it's real please for god's sake be real
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May 20, 2015 09:14
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sout posted:I suppose it hasn't been said but are we still assuming Fallout 4 is in Boston? Just about, yeah. They've hinted at a place called The Institute, which probably is Fallout Universe MIT. It'll probably be a lot like OWB but with terrible writing.
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May 20, 2015 10:39
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As much as I generally dislike Bethesda's take on the Fallout universe, FO3 was fun so I'll take four even if it's 100% developed by the same guys that did three.
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May 20, 2015 12:17
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As much fun as it was to roleplay a Saturday morning cartoon villain in Fallout 3, I'd appreciate it if it was apparent that the Fallout 4 team had, at one point, played New Vegas.
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Swartz posted:I was a little ticked the other day to see the Doom 4 teaser and assumed that's all they'd be revealing there. However, Fallout 4 would be great. Still feel JSawyer and Obsidian should be making it though. Best we can hope for is Bethesda learned a bit from them and decided to try and imitate them in Fallout 4.
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May 20, 2015 12:20
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:They tried in Skyrim and the result went exactly as well as you'd expect I never played Skyrim and don't understand what you mean.
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May 20, 2015 12:22
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Dr Cheeto posted:I'd appreciate it if the Fallout 4 team had, at one point, played a Fallout game other than 3.
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May 20, 2015 12:25
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Dr Cheeto posted:I never played Skyrim and don't understand what you mean. They completely bungled up the "inter-faction-warfare" by a) not having any and b) writing it as completely irrelevant to what you're doing
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May 20, 2015 12:43
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A Boston setting might be neat. I liked the warped effects given to Washington's iconography in 3, and I think there's an opportunity to explore that element with a new level of detail. Surely you could tease lots of contradictions out of assorted Harvard and tea party imageries, both tongue-in-cheek or otherwise. Or we could just cycle through a handful of "dungeon" areas like in Oblivion/Skyrim/3/NV, but you know, that's fun for a while too. The danger would be to play some of the '50s idealisms and prejudices completely straight. But that's an issue both 3 and NV hover around at various times.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:They completely bungled up the "inter-faction-warfare" by a) not having any and b) writing it as completely irrelevant to what you're doing That's really not the part of the game most people mean when they talk about what they like from NV over 3. Usually, they mean the little moments in the game. The more meaningful dialogue, actual dialogue branching to an extent, decisions that matter, not having the game end by shaming you into killing yourself instead of sending one of the gaggle of others in the room with you who are immune to radiation and won't be harmed in any way by pushing the buttons. Little stuff like that.
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Well they won't be doing the last one anyway. I remember seeing some Todd Howard interview where he saw that people didn't like Fallout 3's ending and decided that was because it was an ending at all rather than because it was stupid, so all future Bethesda games will go on forever and not have an ending.
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New Vegas's ending was the stupidest. The story was all good and everything, but it's really dumb that in an open world game that builds itself to be the most dynamic environment possible where you write the story, the last mission is one of those ones where when you finish it, the game just restarts from wherever you last saved before you started it.
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It's annoying that you can't tool around the desert you changed so much, but it's leagues better than F3's "and then you became wasteland Jesus the end"
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May 20, 2015 15:48
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It's a budget issue, they'd planned for post-credits play but they didn't have the time and money to make it properly reactive to your choices.
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I didn't use companions on my first time playing, so 3's ending made perfect sense. I still think it's a fine ending in the cylindrical style of a classic epic, but yeah, it's a bad choice for a sandbox rpg.
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Volkerball posted:New Vegas's ending was the stupidest. The story was all good and everything, but it's really dumb that in an open world game that builds itself to be the most dynamic environment possible where you write the story, the last mission is one of those ones where when you finish it, the game just restarts from wherever you last saved before you started it. I think it took a whole expansion for Fallout 3 to have any post-game content, and a separate patch before any of your companions, some of whom were immune to radiation, would enter the chamber at the end.
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Post-endgame exploration in open-world games tends to kind of annoy me anyway. Beat up on the Enclave in Fallout 3 to the point you even call a goddamn orbital strike on them, and yet there they are in random points around the wasteland acting completely as normal. In Borderlands 2 killing Handsome Jack changes literally nothing at all, to the point where there are a few areas where you can still hear his radio transmissions to you. Once you deal with the villains in Far Cry 3 you get some different enemy chatter and that's it, even though the story establishes the privateers as pure mercenaries who have no reason to be there at all if there's nobody paying them. I get why this happens, you can't just evaporate enemy NPCs without a replacement, but it also makes completing the main story feel sort of pointless and the post-game feel sort of half-assed.
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Byzantine posted:I didn't use companions on my first time playing, so 3's ending made perfect sense. I didn't use companions because the first two I found died pretty fast and I stopped giving a poo poo. NV companions are more interesting, too.
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Charon was the best companion ever.
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Volkerball posted:Charon was the best companion ever. Talk to Ahzrukhal. Also yeah, he didn't care about Karma right? Also how many people paid the 2000 caps because regardless of my character I'd almost always just cap that other ghoul.
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Am I misremembering or does Charon really have no conversation topics whatsoever after you hire him? Is there a quest I'm forgetting? Or are FO3 companions actually worse than I remember? Using TTW I dropped into DC to snag Dogmeat for the Mojave and decided what the hell, let's have a laugh with my old pal Charon, but I'm just bored with him at this point.
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Saint Sputnik posted:Am I misremembering or does Charon really have no conversation topics whatsoever after you hire him? Is there a quest I'm forgetting? Or are FO3 companions actually worse than I remember? Using TTW I dropped into DC to snag Dogmeat for the Mojave and decided what the hell, let's have a laugh with my old pal Charon, but I'm just bored with him at this point. He had a few things you could talk to him about, but it wasn't fleshed out at all. Don't think 3 had anything like companion quests either. Now that super mutant you work with to get the G.E.C.K., that guy was just all around awesome.
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