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Porzingas is tall white and has a funny name, Tskitishvili was tall white and has a funny name, definitely basically the same guy.WhyteRyce posted:It's probably my WCS mancrush speaking, but I don't get why Orlando would take him. Well, I mean I know why they would be interested and can field a super scary and active defense, but at some point they'd need more than 2 guys in the starting line-up that can do anything defensively right? They don't really have anyone who can protect the rim right now
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Jun 10, 2015 17:35
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Mudiay feels like the guy for the Knicks considering how Phil has been talking about penetration and poo-pooing three-point shooting recently. (Assuming they don't get lucky.)
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Jun 10, 2015 17:36
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WhyteRyce posted:It's probably my WCS mancrush speaking, but I don't get why Orlando would take him. Well, I mean I know why they would be interested and can field a super scary and active defense, but at some point they'd need more than 2 guys in the starting line-up that can do anything defensively right? What the heck are you trying to say? Orlando is in the complicated position of having too many pretty good prospects, they pretty much have to go BPA. The question with WCS would be if he can develop any kind of jumper to open space for Vucevic.
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Jun 10, 2015 17:44
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IcePhoenix posted:Probably just more smokescreening but still fun. Apparently it's Towns and not even close" for the Wolves. From everything that I've read, it seems like Towns is the better fit for what the Wolves are trying to build. I'd still be happy if they went with Okafor, but Towns is the better defensive prospect, he's a more natural fit running the floor, is a much better free throw shooter, and has the potential for a more diverse offensive game than Okafor, though Okafor should have a dominant low post game. Towns also apparently gets along well with Wiggins.
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Jun 10, 2015 17:46
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DeimosRising posted:What the heck are you trying to say? Orlando is in the complicated position of having too many pretty good prospects, they pretty much have to go BPA. The question with WCS would be if he can develop any kind of jumper to open space for Vucevic. It's actually not that ridiculous of an idea for them to go after WCS as he could guard 4s, but he's never going to develop a jumper; especially when Vuc already has a really nice outside shot. But yeah Orlando has a weird roster issue and is going BPA; probably Hezonja/Winslow.
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Jun 10, 2015 18:28
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I'd be shocked if Winslow goes before Mudiay like that SI mock.
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Jun 10, 2015 18:35
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morestuff posted:SI's new mock has WCS falling to 12 and the Hornets taking Kaminsky so I'm happy to ignore it Trey Lyles for okc in this mock. If he could play the 3 I would be fine with it but I doubt he can I know nothing about him other than his height and weight
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Jun 10, 2015 18:40
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He's a stretch four who is skinny but would have gotten a lot more time, points and rebounds if he wasn't platooning with guys like Towns, Dakari Johnson and WCS. Also here's your reminder that Kentucky managed to not win a championship with these guys and college basketball is the kind of sport where you should never make 40-0 T-shirts before the season.
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Jun 10, 2015 18:51
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MourningView posted:Porzingas is tall white and has a funny name, Tskitishvili was tall white and has a funny name, definitely basically the same guy. same age, same size, same position, "able to play and defend 4 positions", high skillset, needs to add muscle and experience, huge upside, dirk/pau comparisons to be honest I think it was a pretty darn good pull for just being off the top of my head but okay if you want to read some sort of anti-euro bias ignorance that's fine.... http://www.sbnation.com/2015/5/27/8474249/kristaps-porzingis-nba-draft-2015-scouting-report?_ga=1.222547547.1521348319.1432148618 http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/9/5/4692668/nba-most-hyped-nikoloz-tskitishvilis-dramatic-disappointment Basically they just replace KG with Chris Bosh in terms of a comparison with Pau and we're even talking about Denver as the potential destination. CISMALES DID 9-11 fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 10, 2015 |
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Jun 10, 2015 19:09
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Aniki posted:Towns also apparently gets along well with Wiggins. They were roommates at some camp when they were both in high school
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Jun 10, 2015 19:17
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:same age, same size, same position, "able to play and defend 4 positions", high skillset, needs to add muscle and experience, huge upside, dirk/pau comparisons Tskitishvili's track record before the draft wasn't as good. Porzingas has been playing in the second best league in the world for two years now, and producing. He has demonstrated his high skill level somewhere other than workouts.
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Jun 10, 2015 19:26
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He strides elegantly, like a gazelle. Porzingis has a majestic lope that you cannot deny.
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I can't get over these obstacles when trying to evaluate any but the top talent from my office chair (I'm acknowledging real scouts see more) For PGs: 1)Looks equivalent or worse to someone in the D-league now 2)Looks good but is small so I know the odds are against him 3)Is playing against sub-European, sub-United States High Schooler talent in so everything they do is suspect. For Wings: 1)Defense seems to rarely transfer to the pros 2)The ability to get to the basket doesn't always transfer to the pros either. 3)They take so many bad shots that I'm not sure if their jumper can be fixed with better shot selection, or if that shot selection bump won't be undone by the farther line 4)Looks good but is small so I know the odds are against them. For PFs 1)Looking good against college bigs means nothing against pros. 2)College offenses rarely use big men the way the NBA does. 3)Shot selection from teammates so bad that I assume it inflates their rebounding numbers. 4)Defense against them is soft so hitting a midrange jumper in college doesn't mean they can hit it in the pros 5)Looks good but is small so I know the odds are against them For Cs 1)Guys with very limited skills are often touted as top prospects for reasons I don't see. 2)Poor touch around the basket 3)Looks good but is small so I know the odds are against them.
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Jun 10, 2015 20:06
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safest position is just to bet against every single prospect and accept that you'll only be wrong on about 25% of them I just play the odds.
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Jun 10, 2015 20:18
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rabidsquid posted:He strides elegantly, like a gazelle. Porzingis has a majestic lope that you cannot deny. Like a majestic anorexic antelope. I love how hard he tries to dunk it, he's like the polar opposite of Asik who is giant and tries to finish like a ballerina.
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Jun 10, 2015 20:21
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Rick posted:I can't get over these obstacles when trying to evaluate any but the top talent from my office chair (I'm acknowledging real scouts see more) I'm biased but: Kelly Oubre.
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Jun 10, 2015 21:30
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Redgrendel2001 posted:It's actually not that ridiculous of an idea for them to go after WCS as he could guard 4s, but he's never going to develop a jumper; especially when Vuc already has a really nice outside shot. I don't think WCS is a ridiculous idea, in fact he's perfect for them defensively and since he probably won't be able to play all that many minutes at first you just trot him out with Tobias Harris at the 4 most of the time at first and figure it out. I was just having trouble parsing the way that post is written, first he says he likes WCS, then he doesn't get why Orlando would want him, then he does get why they would want him because he's good on defense, then implies they wouldn't want him because they need people who are good on defense. It makes no sense.
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Jun 10, 2015 22:24
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Rick posted:For Wings: This is probably why Devin Booker is shooting up the boards
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I'm curious how WCS having sickle cell trait should/will affect his draft position and career: http://ukbasketball.bloginky.com/2013/12/12/important-distinction-to-note-on-wcs-sickle-cell/ quote:Most people with sickle cell trait have no symptoms and will not have any health complications, the website said. They can participate in athletics. Maintaining good hydration is important. He averaged 23-26 minutes per game over his 3 years at Kentucky. To take him in the lottery, you'd like to think he could develop into a 35+ minutes/game guy with energy in reserve to impact games late. He might not be physically able to be that guy.
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Jun 10, 2015 22:46
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OTOH it confers resistance to malaria so if there is ever a series of basketball games played in remote tropical locations, he might have an edge
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ragle posted:He averaged 23-26 minutes per game over his 3 years at Kentucky. To take him in the lottery, you'd like to think he could develop into a 35+ minutes/game guy with energy in reserve to impact games late. He might not be physically able to be that guy. I think your hope would be that he can become Tyson Chandler, who hasn't averaged more than 33 minutes a night in the last 5 years and averaged 28 on Dallas's championship team. If you think that's what he's going to be, I think that's worth a lottery pick for sure.
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DeimosRising posted:I don't think WCS is a ridiculous idea, in fact he's perfect for them defensively and since he probably won't be able to play all that many minutes at first you just trot him out with Tobias Harris at the 4 most of the time at first and figure it out. I was just having trouble parsing the way that post is written, first he says he likes WCS, then he doesn't get why Orlando would want him, then he does get why they would want him because he's good on defense, then implies they wouldn't want him because they need people who are good on defense. It makes no sense.  Orlando drafted a bunch of defense first guys already, do they want to continue to do so or do they want to spend some draft capital on offense. That was my question. I understand putting WCS together with Payton, Oladipo, and Gordon creates a potential scary good collection of defensive personnel but is that a priority for Orlando? That is something I was wondering. I realize there was a typo at the end of the post but calm down WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jun 10, 2015 |
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ragle posted:I'm curious how WCS having sickle cell trait should/will affect his draft position and career: In boot camp, the guys with sickle cell got extra water during PT. Made me so loving jealous
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chunkles posted:OTOH it confers resistance to malaria so if there is ever a series of basketball games played in remote tropical locations, he might have an edge Orlando?
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All the mocks are telling me I should start getting excited for Emmanuel, so gently caress it I'm on board let's do this poo poo Anyone have a spare second rounder they would give us for McCallum???
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DeimosRising posted:I don't think WCS is a ridiculous idea, in fact he's perfect for them defensively and since he probably won't be able to play all that many minutes at first you just trot him out with Tobias Harris at the 4 most of the time at first and figure it out. I was just having trouble parsing the way that post is written, first he says he likes WCS, then he doesn't get why Orlando would want him, then he does get why they would want him because he's good on defense, then implies they wouldn't want him because they need people who are good on defense. It makes no sense. Ahhhhh. Gotcha. What's the deal with Harris? Is he resigning or is NYC a serious threat?
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Rick posted:I can't get over these obstacles when trying to evaluate any but the top talent from my office chair (I'm acknowledging real scouts see more) You watched a lot of Arozona, what do you think about Hollis-Jefferson? Do you think he'd be a good fit for the Mavericks?
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Dejan Bimble posted:You watched a lot of Arozona, what do you think about Hollis-Jefferson? Do you think he'd be a good fit for the Mavericks? I lean towards no. Dallas seems to expect all their wings to shoot threes and even though the form of his shot has improved, he's not going to come into the NBA with that sort of range even if he additively improves from where he's at now. He's a defense-only player probably to start and those guys don't get a ton of time in Dallas. Dallas scores enough that they might be able to get away with sticking him in a Tony Allen type role if his defense catches up to NBA speeds. But this would be a departure from Dalla's style that I'm not sure they make at this point. They also could use him as a small ball PF (something they do once in a while) to bully them (he's very strong and comparatively athletic to many of the small ball PF) and the Mavs have shown a propensity to get their PFs shots right under the basket or on the break, which are situations he can score in. But yeah realistically given their window they probably would not have time to experiment with him and let him come along so not the best fit.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Ahhhhh. Gotcha. He is restricted so the Magic should match any offer no matter what.
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Jun 11, 2015 15:18
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they should really rename the restricted free agent to something without the word free agent in it
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Jun 11, 2015 15:31
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Rick posted:I lean towards no. It sounds like you are describing Aminu, who the Mavs already have on the roster.
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I think of all the projected top 7 players, the only one I'd be genuinely disappointed for the Sixers to draft is Porzingis. I just don't see any good reason for their team to take him as far as what he could add even in his best case scenario. That and he has bust potential written all over him.
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iamsosmrt posted:I think of all the projected top 7 players, the only one I'd be genuinely disappointed for the Sixers to draft is Porzingis. I just don't see any good reason for their team to take him as far as what he could add even in his best case scenario. That and he has bust potential written all over him. Its Shawn Bradley all over again.
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WhyteRyce posted:It's probably my WCS mancrush speaking, but I don't get why Orlando would take him. Well, I mean I know why they would be interested and can field a super scary and active defense, but at some point they'd need more than 2 guys in the starting line-up that can do anything defensively right? !!!! @ryenarussillo Few trade notes. The scouts put WC Stein in special tier as a defensive player. Heard Cousins wants him @6 so he doesn't have to play C.
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Jun 11, 2015 20:36
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Well Pistons just traded for Ilyasova so I guess that means bye Monroe and also hello either Stanley Johnson or (ugh) Mario Hezonja
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Jun 11, 2015 20:43
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As long as they don't take either of the Wisconsin dudes I won't be too upset.
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EvanTH posted:!!!! You know the NBA has gone soft when the best center in the game who also happens to be 6'11" and 270+lbs wants to play PF.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:You know the NBA has gone soft when the best center in the game who also happens to be 6'11" and 270+lbs wants to play PF. So, the 80s?
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