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A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?
Nobody knows when ww3 will start and China is not telling.

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Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug

IronClaymore posted:

What? No, basic airpower tactics. Anti-SEAD stuff or whatever they call it. The Chinese could have an advantage in this thing.

They set up a basic screen of poo poo, enough to be viable, we wreck it down, ok fine. The air strikes go hog wild on military positions. But secretly these are poo poo military positions. Low value divisions, prisoners and so forth. Wait until a bunch of strike aircraft are in the country, then you go live. Every plane is lit up like a Christmas Tree, a dozen radars pinging off them. The scrambled interceptors don't even have to turn on their own radars, the ground stuff guides the missiles right in.


Ok it isn't that simple. But they'll definitely keep long range radars and missiles in reserve. And no matter how many Sukhoi's you shoot down (each of which will be a pain BTW, and omg the Su-27 is gorgeous), they'll keep that threat up.

1. Every military target in China is a low value division.

2. The U.S. most likely has complete satellite and drone coverage of China and knows where every defense station, radar facility, command post, power plant etc is

3. After picking out actual targets, unmanned drones, high altitude bombers and long range cruise missiles go in and gently caress everything up and keep loving them up until there is nothing to challenge any incoming fighter jets.

You are an idiot.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Cake Smashing Boob posted:

in case of WW3, what would be the best place for a limp wristed academic to live out the rest of his life in peace and relative prosperity?

asking for a friend

if you're twinky you could probably become a gimp for a warlord of the apocalypse like in the first mad max but if you're fat my advice is become twinky or you will be used for food instead of sex

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Fojar38 posted:

you really dont seem to be comprehending how loving huge the pacific ocean is

I don't understand why you think it's impossible to first determine a general location through a real time spy satellite and then home in with other tech until you have a reasonable firing solution with ordinance that can track targets.

Plus weren't we talking about if the US invades China for some reason? It's not like I'm talking about playing hide and seek in the middle of the ocean, I'm talking about US fleets near the coast of China.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!

Angry Fish posted:

Nobody knows when ww3 will start and China is not telling.

Not their fault you can't read tea leaves, retard.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
jokes on you rear end in a top hat i use the flowing of my internal ki to understand future events tea leaves are for autistic retards who cant even open the first gate of their inner chakra

IronClaymore
Jun 30, 2010

by Athanatos

Arkanomen posted:

1. Every military target in China is a low value division.

2. The U.S. most likely has complete satellite and drone coverage of China and knows where every defense station, radar facility, command post, power plant etc is

3. After picking out actual targets, unmanned drones, high altitude bombers and long range cruise missiles go in and gently caress everything up and keep loving them up until there is nothing to challenge any incoming fighter jets.

You are an idiot.

Counterpoint: either saturate the field with various targets that deserve destruction to disguise the truly valuable assets.

Or B: classic shell game - learn the capability of your enemy's reconnaissance, provide him targets to destroy, don't make it too easy, but keep your true assets hidden, not on the true list of targets. So they strike everything else. Hell, you could hide a radar, let the enemy discover it, let them bomb it, remove radar coverage from that area, but the "radar" was merely paper! Even better, "allow" details of secret bunkers to be leaked to the enemy, execute "traitors" for betraying you, allow the enemy spy to escape, let the enemy waste bombs on the "secret" bases.

Keep in mind that you are perfectly correct and that I am an idiot. And I have watched far too many spy movies and read too many spy books. So what sort of countermeasures would a non-idiot come up with?


[Edit] Classic prank scenario would be to slowly release details of a massive nuclear missile silo and nuke construction base, in some wilderness area, and release the info so subtly that the enemy is convinced it is vital, and sends everything that have at it, only to drop bombs on barren ground and be shot to poo poo on the way back home.

IronClaymore fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jun 11, 2015

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!

Robo Reagan posted:

jokes on you rear end in a top hat i use the flowing of my internal ki to understand future events tea leaves are for autistic retards who cant even open the first gate of their inner chakra

Why You make no sense

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
You're laboring under the delusion that militaries are well oiled machines where logistics officers and strategists are some kind of gods among men able to shape the battlefield however they want instead of a bunch of balding in their mid twenties dudes who make power points all day and have to fill out paperwork because they want to scratch their asses while in a restricted area

war became a huge unmanageable mess once we stopped massing in fields and sending blocks of dudes at each other lol

Robo Reagan fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jun 11, 2015

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:

in case of WW3, what would be the best place for a limp wristed academic to live out the rest of his life in peace and relative prosperity?

asking for a friend

africa and latin america

i recommend becoming the sissy white rear end-slave to a subsaharan african warlord

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

Robo Reagan posted:

if you're twinky you could probably become a gimp for a warlord of the apocalypse like in the first mad max but if you're fat my advice is become twinky or you will be used for food instead of sex

stop stealing my ideas

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

IronClaymore posted:

Counterpoint: either saturate the field with various targets that deserve destruction to disguise the truly valuable assets.

Or B: classic shell game - learn the capability of your enemy's reconnaissance, provide him targets to destroy, don't make it too easy, but keep your true assets hidden, not on the true list of targets. So they strike everything else. Hell, you could hide a radar, let the enemy discover it, let them bomb it, remove radar coverage from that area, but the "radar" was merely paper! Even better, "allow" details of secret bunkers to be leaked to the enemy, execute "traitors" for betraying you, allow the enemy spy to escape, let the enemy waste bombs on the "secret" bases.

Keep in mind that you are perfectly correct and that I am an idiot. And I have watched far too many spy movies and read too many spy books. So what sort of countermeasures would a non-idiot come up with?


[Edit] Classic prank scenario would be to slowly release details of a massive nuclear missile silo and nuke construction base, in some wilderness area, and release the info so subtly that the enemy is convinced it is vital, and sends everything that have at it, only to drop bombs on barren ground and be shot to poo poo on the way back home.

I guess this can be summed up with no one really knows what china is doing.

A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?

avatarinwin posted:

I guess this can be summed up with no one really knows what china is doing.

exactly

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

IronClaymore posted:

Keep in mind that you are perfectly correct and that I am an idiot. And I have watched far too many spy movies and read too many spy books. So what sort of countermeasures would a non-idiot come up with?

dont go to war with the us because they are much more powerful than you and still have blue balls from the cold war

bonestructure
Sep 25, 2008

by Ralp

Necc0 posted:

are you thomas friedman, op?

IronClaymore
Jun 30, 2010

by Athanatos

Fojar38 posted:

dont go to war with the us because they are much more powerful than you and still have blue balls from the cold war

An appropriate metaphor. Two people meet on the dance floor. A chick with outrageous muscles and a dude who's super quick and mobile. They know instinctively that they can't defeat each other, not without wrecking themselves. They disagree on politics but not all that much really, they just want to dance and fight and work out together. But they are both really really really embarrassed.

Anyway the guy gets blue balls and starts loving everyone. While the chick gets taken oven by a guy who's a spy and doesn't like to wear a shirt. Creepier than it sounds.

A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?
Who is Thom Freedman. Is he trying to tell us that nobody knows and China won't tell us? Because I agree with that sentiment and support his message but I am not him.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Yeah if you're assuming competence in the military you gotta take a step back and re-examine.

CISMALES DID 9-11
Jun 5, 2002

chaotic good STEM major; INTJ
this thread was cooler when we were talking about cows w/ raiden hats and sister aborted so what

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
can the green lantern ring shoot a laser that can shoot down missiles and aircrafts or only create a machine that shoots a laser and shoots down aircraft?

A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?
China is the land where you go to a bar at a rural town and buy a bottle of $4 wine and they think you're some wealthy god coming from the city above throwing your hard currency into their lives. You can sex the girls hard because you have $80 in your wallet.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
that;s everywhere in the world though

Beef Turret
Jul 9, 2009

by Lowtax

Angry Fish posted:

China is the land where you go to a bar at a rural town and buy a bottle of $4 wine and they think you're some wealthy god coming from the city above throwing your hard currency into their lives. You can sex the girls hard because you have $80 in your wallet.

So it's like every third world country

BrianPhillips
May 10, 2006

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

can we get a mod to rename the thread to something like "Tom Clancy knows just what China is doing" or something like that, thanks and god bless

Isn't he dead and it's just a bunch of ghost(recon) writers doing it all?

A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?

Beef Turret posted:

So it's like every third world country

Except China doesn't have Jesus.

Robo Reagan posted:

I never left the 10 mile radius of the home I grew up in and know nothing about the world (Jon Snow)

yes

A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?
China is the place where a farmer's son moves into the Big City (pick one) and later dies because his job building my cellphone was a 60-on/10-off gig and he couldn't handle it. His blood is now in my phone mixed with the SoC's BGA underfill epoxy.

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy
Only Nixon can go to China.

Someone needs to build a corpse catapault, I'll get my grave robbing gloves.

IronClaymore
Jun 30, 2010

by Athanatos

BrianPhillips posted:

Isn't he dead and it's just a bunch of ghost(recon) writers doing it all?

He'd been employing ghost-writers ever since Sum of All Fears. In other words the last 20 years of his life were pure alcohol, chicks, partying, and american flags. It's the goal you know, the ultimate author heaven - make a pile and spend it on hookers and blow for 20 years.

Flo Cytometer
Apr 20, 2015

by Ralp

IronClaymore posted:

He'd been employing ghost-writers ever since Sum of All Fears. In other words the last 20 years of his life were pure alcohol, chicks, partying, and american flags. It's the goal you know, the ultimate author heaven - make a pile and spend it on hookers and blow for 20 years.

..and yet somehow Stephen King still has (some) audience.

IronClaymore
Jun 30, 2010

by Athanatos

Flo Cytometer posted:

..and yet somehow Stephen King still has (some) audience.

Gotta milk the revenue stream. Every sold book is a tenth of a blowjob.

Fairly passive
Nov 4, 2012

Not as productive as I should be
This thread needs to have less war fantasy bullshit and more information about where to find and how to impress the best chinese girls. Enquiring minds want to know.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:

sister aborted. so what

china has something like 30 million more young men than women. that's certainly not going to have repercussions at all.

the blow-up doll and fleshlight industry will be booming though.

IronClaymore
Jun 30, 2010

by Athanatos

Fairly passive posted:

This thread needs to have less war fantasy bullshit and more information about where to find and how to impress the best chinese girls. Enquiring minds want to know.

The Christian ones tend to be converts, as in they're fundamentalists. Pretend to be a bible basher, or at least a fundamentalist christian yourself. As long as you can fake believing in god, you'll be fine with her, just watch out for the no-sex-before-marriage crowd. (But you can do I bit at this level, not really satisfying but meh in the end you have a date to things, and if you can break her inhibitions she's end up being really freaky...in a good way.)

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy

Fairly passive posted:

This thread needs to have less war fantasy bullshit and more information about where to find and how to impress the best chinese girls. Enquiring minds want to know.

PM Lowtax for deets on that. Or message him on Twitter if he doesn't read his PMs

A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?

The_Franz posted:

china has something like 30 million more young men than women. that's certainly not going to have repercussions at all.

the blow-up doll and fleshlight industry will be booming though.

World's largest social experiment with results pending.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

Angry Fish posted:

World's largest social experiment with results pending.

:itwaspoo:

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Moridin920 posted:

I don't understand why you think it's impossible to first determine a general location through a real time spy satellite and then home in with other tech until you have a reasonable firing solution with ordinance that can track targets.

Plus weren't we talking about if the US invades China for some reason? It's not like I'm talking about playing hide and seek in the middle of the ocean, I'm talking about US fleets near the coast of China.

spy satellites do not work like you think they do

hope this help

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Angry Fish posted:

Who is Thom Freedman. Is he trying to tell us that nobody knows and China won't tell us? Because I agree with that sentiment and support his message but I am not him.

this is the exact thing he would ask, yes. not much gets past him. you should give him a call i think you two would get along

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Arkanomen posted:

3. After picking out actual targets, unmanned drones, high altitude bombers and long range cruise missiles go in and gently caress everything up and keep loving them up until there is nothing to challenge any incoming fighter jets.


I might've bought the whole "we'll just bomb them to hell America #1" thing, but we've been trying it in the middle east and the most it's done is make children fear the sky and spread the mess around.

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Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

BrianPhillips posted:

Isn't he dead and it's just a bunch of ghost(recon) writers doing it all?

yeah rip in piss tom clancy


Cake Smashing Boob posted:

in case of WW3, what would be the best place for a limp wristed academic to live out the rest of his life in peace and relative prosperity?

asking for a friend

probably northern british columbia or somewhere like that. remote, but not without resources to sustain yourself.

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