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Ignimbrite posted:The man has to be some sort of wizard, or, potentially, shiny and chrome to his core. I hear that if you cut George Miller he bleeds high quality diesel fuel.
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OhGreatAGinger posted:Did anyone else feel like the characters were kinda flat and boring? I'm not saying they needed to shoe horn in a bunch of dialogue scenes that end with "and whelp, that's how I became a sex-slave", but I found myself having a hard time getting invested in anyone. The wives were just a collection of types No one character has much personality because the surrounding world is an expression of their personality. The opening failed escape sequence is an expression of Max's inability to escape from his past - the warboys chasing him are compared to the ghosts haunting his mind, making his capture more than a literal plot-event. We see Max's 'personality' in things like this, instead of Hardy's acting (although he does a fine job on his end). The reason Nux seems more human is because his archetype is of the POV character, the one 'normal' person caught up in the story. Making him an obsessive a foot soldier for the bad guy is a pretty neat message in of itself. We are all, on some base level, foot soldiers for big ideas that don't really give a poo poo about us. And then Nux talks about eating at mcdonalds.
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Jun 15, 2015 18:26
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The twitchy, lizardy hermit hero man who can't communicate except through violence and hallucinates dead people is one of those less trafficked archetypes
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Jun 15, 2015 18:59
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Action heroes haunted by their past are a dime a dozen.
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Jun 15, 2015 19:01
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Hbomberguy posted:The characters are archetypical. Max isn't a physical person with thoughts or feelings or other nonsense, but Mad Max, The Hero Man. The story isn't really about the human individuals but rather the interaction of these concept-people, the things they represent, and whether they're even good ideas in a world those ideas already destroyed once. Alright, you had me until the McDonalds bit. Is that a reference I'm not getting? A Wizard of Goatse posted:The twitchy, lizardy hermit hero man who can't communicate except through violence and hallucinates dead people is one of those less trafficked archetypes
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:The twitchy, lizardy hermit hero man who can't communicate except through violence and hallucinates dead people is one of those less trafficked archetypes Yojimbo is a twitchy, doglike wandering loner hero man who barely communicates except through brief spats of extreme violence. If you do a Man With No Name squint, the only real difference between Max and Yojimbo is Yojimbo probably spent less time driving. I mean, Mifune literally took his character's trademark twitch from a dog trying to shake off fleas. Crappy Jack fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 15, 2015 |
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Jun 15, 2015 19:28
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Also Max doesn't say it out loud like Yojimbo, but both know what they are and to bounce as soon as their work is done.
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Jun 15, 2015 19:36
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Alright, you had me until the McDonalds bit. Is that a reference I'm not getting? The character literally talks about mcfeasting in valhalla. The character fantasizes about dying and being rewarded with a happy meal. The character is the 'normal person', the audience stand in. This movie rocks.
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Jun 15, 2015 19:42
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Huh. I had Nux pegged as more of a Burger King kinda guy. Do they even have those in (post-apocalyptic) Australia?
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Huh. I had Nux pegged as more of a Burger King kinda guy. Do they even have those in (post-apocalyptic) Australia? Because there are no Burger Kings in Australia.
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Jun 15, 2015 20:32
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Alright, you had me until the McDonalds bit. Is that a reference I'm not getting? It's a thing that most definitely happens. <<<
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Jun 15, 2015 20:46
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https://mcdonalds.com.au/menu/mcfeast
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McFeast® burger is an Australian favourite. A juicy beef patty, cheese, tomato, lettuce, pickles, three sauces all on a classic sesame seed bun.
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Jun 15, 2015 21:06
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Hbomberguy posted:McFeast® burger is an Australian favourite. A juicy beef patty, cheese, tomato, lettuce, pickles, three sauces all on a classic sesame seed bun. I EAT I PURGE I EAT AGAIN
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Jun 15, 2015 21:12
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I've gone on free-associative rants on this forum about how various things are a metaphor for capitalist society and its problems before, but the automobile-worshipping cult that dreams of eating at mcdonalds as an escape from apocalyptic dread is probably my new number one with a bullet, right behind Star Trek Into Darkness' "we perfected the ultimate human during the genetics wars and here he is, the whitest man ever conceived, played by the whitest actor of all time" twist.
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Hbomberguy posted:McFeast® burger is an Australian favourite. A juicy beef patty, cheese, tomato, lettuce, pickles, three sauces all on a classic sesame seed bun. The feast of champions.
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This is a long thread to go through to check, but has anyone brought up the point that Max's plan to turn around and take the Citadel is the dumbest poo poo ever? I mean, say they didn't defeat Joe in the desert. Ok, they get back to the Citadel, they keep the pull ramp up, say thanks for bringing back the truck, and wait until the army digs out the pass again. Say Max gets back to the Citadel and a couple of Grandmas kill all the fanatic warriors that will fight until the death. Now what? That army is still out there.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:10
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:The twitchy, lizardy hermit hero man who can't communicate except through violence and hallucinates dead people is one of those less trafficked archetypes Not really. Or have you not heard of Samson?
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:This is a long thread to go through to check, but has anyone brought up the point that Max's plan to turn around and take the Citadel is the dumbest poo poo ever? I mean, say they didn't defeat Joe in the desert. Ok, they get back to the Citadel, they keep the pull ramp up, say thanks for bringing back the truck, and wait until the army digs out the pass again. Say Max gets back to the Citadel and a couple of Grandmas kill all the fanatic warriors that will fight until the death. Now what? That army is still out there. In that case they just have to wait for the army to die of thirst, or refuse to let them in until they swear allegiance to Furiosa or w/e. There's a lot of different ways it could have gone but the point is if they control the water they have all the power.
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Still the worst and most dangerous plan. What if they get back to the Citadel and they refuse to let them up the conveyor. Here's how a real ending would have gone - They bait Joe with his wives and have the wives stab his face off, so womyn are truly the empowered ones, or something like that.
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I think their original plan was to trap Joe, have Nux be all "you won't BELIEVE what I just did" so they get let inside, and then... something. Maybe Furiosa was going to bully that baby dude into saying "Oh right yes Furiosa is in fact truly the Immortan" or something.
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Jun 15, 2015 22:47
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I think the point was kind of "If you're just going to ride into the waste until you die, why not try to fight for what actually exists rather than chasing blind hope?" If Fury Road has a political message, it's that you can't just throw your hands up and say "the system is evil, I quit". We have no choice but to fight to reform our existing systems, even if change is slow. It would be great if everything was not lovely and violent, but there's no place you can go where it's magically not. Sure Furiosa's dictatorship doesn't represent utopia, but it's probably going to be marginally better than Joe's. And that's a win.
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Nessus posted:I think their original plan was to trap Joe, have Nux be all "you won't BELIEVE what I just did" so they get let inside, and then... something. Maybe Furiosa was going to bully that baby dude into saying "Oh right yes Furiosa is in fact truly the Immortan" or something. I remember Joe saying something like "they know the citadel is undefended!" Or something. I always just assumed that meant that Joe's war party had basically everyone in it, and that they only left like, half a dozen guys behind to defend it under the assumption that A. Nobody would be stupid enough to attack in his absence and B. Even if they did the guards just wouldn't let the lift down. Furiosa's plan was to go "hey, changed my mind, brought the wives back. Oh, Joe? I guess we must've juuuust missed him on the way back. Thanks for letting us up and by the way *BANG*" I got the vibe that the war pups really weren't anywhere near assertive enough for her to consider them an issue. Edit: and then the plan pretty much becomes wait for Joe's party to starve to death/ wait for the filthy peasants to grow restless and start attacking them.
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InequalityGodzilla posted:I remember Joe saying something like "they know the citadel is undefended!" Or something. I always just assumed that meant that Joe's war party had basically everyone in it, and that they only left like, half a dozen guys behind to defend it under the assumption that A. Nobody would be stupid enough to attack in his absence and B. Even if they did the guards just wouldn't let the lift down. Even if the warpups were assertive, I would bet on Furiosa and Max a hundred 12 year olds. Capable also points out that Nux will be with them and pretend to be returning with the wives. No one want's the be the guy who got Joe's wives killed because they didn't lower the gate for them. The wives showing up at all practically guarantees that the lift will be lowered. The fact that there's no great warriors left means that max and furiosa have a good chance of making it to the top of the lift one way or another. If anyone at the top of the citadel was smart, they could have let Furiosa onto the lift and then stopped it halfway up, keeping her safe from the wretched but also isolating the Citadel from her control. That way if or when Joe got back they could do whatever he wanted. But since they had Joe's corpse, everyone in the citadel knows that Joe is not a factor anymore. So the people in the Citadel get to decide, do they want to let Furiosa take over? Or do they want to let whoever shows up with the biggest war party take over? For the Citadel to remain safe, the Mothers and Corpus Colossus want someone who knows what the gently caress they are doing in charge. They don't know Rictus is dead, so if he comes back and has the support of the warpups and the war party, he could end up in charge. No one wants that. There's a risk they could be annexed by the Bullet Farm of Gas Town, which is also bad. Surrendering the Citadel to Furiosa puts it in capable hands which is good for everyone.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Still the worst and most dangerous plan. What if they get back to the Citadel and they refuse to let them up the conveyor. Furiosa's original plan was worse. She couldn't initially count on Nux and Max helping her, and without them there's no way she would've survived the Canyon. If anything, it was more of an elaborate suicide attempt since the moment Corpus noticed she started heading East she would have been doomed. She had made a deal with the bikers to get her safe passage, but she didn't know about the Night Bog ahead. There's also the inconvenient issue of what if Ace and too many of the escorts had survived?
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Snak posted:I think the point was kind of "If you're just going to ride into the waste until you die, why not try to fight for what actually exists rather than chasing blind hope?" This owns. I mean who's to say whether her dictatorship is better or if she'll not just dismantle it immediately or reform it into something else. Regardless the critical point of the film isn't a 'here's what we change and how' moment like in Elysium or Man of Steel, but simply the decision to die trying to make something better. It's more Star Wars, or more recently Jupiter Ascending or Godzilla '14. You can't escape the world and the fantasy of escaping is a coping mechanism that only makes the problem worse. You have to accept you're trapped and going to die, fully accept it, and then try to make the world you live in better. The scene where Max hands Furiosa a map with a skull drawn on it is pure poetry. 'We have to engage with death.' That's not to say that Joe represents death itself. It's just that in that particular scene, the option that looks most like suicide is the most authentic way of even trying to do anything.
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Also, the film acknowledges that Max's plan is pretty ballsy and dumb (The Dag even says "I thought you weren't crazy any more?"). It's just that they have basically zero options: they can either ride out into the open desert and salt plains and pray that their supplies last long enough that they find civilization (unlikely if they're driving toward dried-up oceans, which are at least partly canon as of Immortan Joe's comic) or they can try to return to somewhere easily defensible with shelter. And they can't just skirt the canyon wall for a week or two like Valkyrie mentions, since that'll still leave a wide open pass a few hours away from the Citadel for Joe and his three war parties to charge through before they've even gotten settled in with their conquering. While charging through the army and crashing the War Rig behind them to block their way isn't a good plan, it's still way better than literally anything else they could reasonably come up with.
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"That's the stupidest plan I've ever totally agreed with" sums it up pretty nicely.
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Ponderous Saxon posted:This is brilliant, holy gently caress. I love how the cadence matches that of the Maori haka. I think some of the V8 Cult deliberately uses lines from the Ka Mate Haka. Since part of it goes: "I live! I die! I live! This is the hairy man who fetched the sun and caused it to shine again." And Nux says "I live, I die, I live again!" as well as "I am the man who catches the sun" (may not be an exact quote). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdMCAV6Yd0Y
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Chamale posted:I think some of the V8 Cult deliberately uses lines from the Ka Mate Haka. Since part of it goes: drat, that's astute. And yeah it's "I am the man who grabs the sun."
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For those who still care about the game after Fallout has been announced, there's a new trailer that is pretty cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEXzAXBtl5k
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I hope they actually get AC/DC music in the game proper honestly. There was a game called Roadkill on XBox/GC/PS2 that was like this but not that reat and in a city instead of a wasteland, but it was a lot of fun due to the licensed hard rock.
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Neo Rasa posted:I hope they actually get AC/DC music in the game proper honestly. There was a game called Roadkill on XBox/GC/PS2 that was like this but not that reat and in a city instead of a wasteland, but it was a lot of fun due to the licensed hard rock. It sure would beat the hell out of completely forgettable ambient music that randomly fades in and out like every other big game seems to have.
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Lurdiak posted:For those who still care about the game after Fallout has been announced, there's a new trailer that is pretty cool. God dammit, after all the empowerment of Fury Road, are they seriously using women as props in the game? I think I saw one woman on a leash about 40 seconds in.
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I saw Mad Max on a leash 40 seconds into Fury Road, so that's not exactly "triggering" me.
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Yvonmukluk posted:God dammit, after all the empowerment of Fury Road, are they seriously using women as props in the game? I think I saw one woman on a leash about 40 seconds in. The worst part is that quick cut where max and the woman are driving and she pulls him and kisses him real quick which was where i really hoped i could skip cutscenes and make my own narrative
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is it too late to hire the Vagina Monologues author to punch up the script for the game?
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MrMojok posted:is it too late to hire the Vagina Monologues author to punch up the script for the game? She was just a consultant for the actresses playing the Wives. So I guess she could be on hand for all the people who are gonna claim this game is raping their childhood memories of Mad Max.
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Yvonmukluk posted:God dammit, after all the empowerment of Fury Road, are they seriously using women as props in the game? I think I saw one woman on a leash about 40 seconds in. If you insist on comparing a game made by the Just Cause guys to Fury Road you're not going to enjoy yourself.
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I want a gang tag that says Bad Pussy Grandmas.
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