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If understanding THAC0 makes you smart, then being able to calculate advanced sports statistics like OPS and DVOA and WARP2 must make a person the next Richard Feynman. Turns out jocks are smarter than nerds. Who knew?
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Harrow posted:The best quote: Again, welcome to 5e's core audience.
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Plague of Hats posted:Thac0 is great. It was a better system than using a chart, and it allowed for backwards compatibility with 0e and 1e materials. Fantastic and elegant design, plus it made the players better at mental arithmetic (i.e. smarter). FMguru posted:I did some simple math to play a game once, behold my mighty space-brain Edit: This is in 30 Years of Adventure; I don't have a digital copy but I'll find the source text some time. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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Jun 17, 2015 02:57
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For all the talk of how smart thac0 makes players, it was still millenials that figured out a version that used the transitive property so that you'd always add everything and the order didn't matter.
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Plague of Hats posted:THAC0 Man, I knew that thread would yield some more nonsense. I've never met anyone who've said "THAC0 is a wonderful thing" who didn't immediately say something that made my head hurt.
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Jun 17, 2015 05:51
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Knowing how to do THAC0 sure made me feel really smart when I started playing D&D. I was 11
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I do have to wonder who looks at Kevin Siembeda and thinks 'I should give this man my money,' Kickstarter or no.
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Jun 17, 2015 07:02
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I dunno, I feel like there's just enough digging required to really get a sense of how bad an idea it is, that I don't begrudge a newcomer one or even a couple of mistakes in that regard. Palladium's got an extensive, decades-old catalog and a pretty okay website. Maybe you even heard about them long ago, and now they're doing some big awesome thing and you're like "Oh, those guys! I thought cyberknights were really cool back in 1994; sure I'll throw them $200 for some minis." Then there's the whole muddiness of just how much Palladium was actually supposed to be involved with the Kickstarter and minis, which even for relative veterans I think is a comparable situation. Even if you're a long-time member of RPGnet and engage in some light industry gossip, it's not unthinkable that you just never ran across the horror stories from Bill Coffin, Steve Trustrum, etc. Hell, I even have some sympathy for the occasional people who stick hard with Palladium and defend them without being huge asses about it, because they don't deserve the situation they're in.
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Plague of Hats posted:...Y2K+ players (dare I say you millennials) lose out on the smartening up that Thac0 provided. Thus they are by definition dumber. Sorry. For best results read with this plugin: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/millennials-to-snake-peop/jhkibealmjkbkafogihpeidfcgnigmlf?hl=en-US
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I closed the tab the moment he referred to Jerry Seinfeld as though he is a man with good ideas about society and culture. EDIT: Never mind, I got curious and kept going. Now he's talking about how he wants his players to think about challenging ideas and then immediately tries to make the case that black-and-white "good versus evil" like fighting Tolkien orcs is a good example of this.
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So everybody has seen the movie Zero Charisma, right? It's a movie about a grognard and it is hilarious.
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Wow, grog in video form. That's a rarity.
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Jun 17, 2015 15:19
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paradoxGentleman posted:Wow, grog in video form. That's a rarity. I've not watched the video but I'll bet the guy's "scary ideas" that he wants you to put into your game are mostly creepysex and biotruths.
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FMguru posted:The great thing about videogrog is that the grogs always look exactly like you expect them to. I skipped around because I couldn't take much of it but mostly he wants people to have pedophiles and addictive drugs in their games.
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Harrow posted:I closed the tab the moment he referred to Jerry Seinfeld as though he is a man with good ideas about society and culture. I closed the tab the moment I saw what he looked like. I mean holy poo poo. And this isn't even his only video Can you be a Christian and play Dungeons and Dragons?
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gradenko_2000 posted:I closed the tab the moment I saw what he looked like. I mean holy poo poo. And this isn't even his only video This guy is alarmingly prolific. How many grodvids per week is this dude uploading? Also, I can't decide if he recorded a bunch of these on the same day or if he only owns one shirt. EDIT: Oh, god, this one. Are You Murder Hobos If You Slaughter Orcs? He outlines a scenario in which a party descends into a crypt, kills a bunch of undead and takes their treasure, then comes out and encounters the descendents of the people buried there. They're told that those undead were part of some sort of ancestor worship and that the party just desecrated that tomb. I'm thinking, "Huh, that's an interesting twist on the tomb full of undead adventure. What if there's a culture that worships undead? Are those undead still something that should be destroyed? Not a terrible idea." Then he goes off on how that's a terrible and there was nothing wrong with players indiscriminately slaughtering everything and there's no such thing as a murderhobo. After all, the players have the power, they're superheroes--they should be allowed to kill everyone and shouldn't have to deal with the consequences because they're above everyone else. He also gives an example where it's cool that the "heroes" celebrated by raping and pillaging a town because they defeated a much worse evil. Harrow fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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Harrow posted:EDIT: Oh, god, this one. Are You Murder Hobos If You Slaughter Orcs? He outlines a scenario in which a party descends into a crypt, kills a bunch of undead and takes their treasure, then comes out and encounters the descendents of the people buried there. They're told that those undead were part of some sort of ancestor worship and that the party just desecrated that tomb. I'm thinking, "Huh, that's an interesting twist on the tomb full of undead adventure. What if there's a culture that worships undead? Are those undead still something that should be destroyed? Not a terrible idea." Surely there is a word in German to express the idea of "so close to an epiphany but too stupid to figure it out"
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Harrow posted:I skipped around because I couldn't take much of it but mostly he wants people to have pedophiles and addictive drugs in their games.
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This guy reminds me of an old grog I dealt with who insisted that everyone should be forced to go through a Clanbook: Baali campaign at least once so they could be shocked out of their complacency. Anyone who has the slightest idea of what Clanbook: Baali entails knows why this would be a bad idea, but he specifically called out that everyone should be forced to roleplay out child rape so they know how it feels. And if someone does have issues with it, then they should just sit on it and only complain after the game is over, because questioning the GM in front of the other players undermines his power. He was permabanned as fast as we were able to find an admin. e: Holy poo poo, this video, "I've raped my players, both male and female, as a DM. I've also killed them, Which is murder, which is worse."  Harrow posted:This guy is alarmingly prolific. How many grodvids per week is this dude uploading? The "Players too sensitive" youtube talks about playing a Lord of the Rings campaign from the POV of the orcs... and says that's an amazing thing. I guess these ideas are only good when he has them. Kurieg fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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First: Oh look. Palladium haters showing up to take a dump. It must be that time of the month again. Second: Given how dramatic and whiny some folks get online about Palladium, it really is no surprise to me that KS basically ignores people and does whatever suits him. I mean, why should he bother trying to cater to you? Nothing he ever does is going to be good enough. Fans of his games can't be fans like fans of other games; no, they're "zombies", "fanbois", "more money than sense" and all sorts of other derogatory comments. His games can't actually be liked; no, Palladium is strictly kept alive by begging shamelessly, clearly nobody could actually enjoy playing his games. If he changed his system, it wouldn't be enough; hell, there isn't a single system out there that doesn't have detractors. He starts selling pdfs of his games, just like a chunk of people complained about; he doesn't get any credit for finally accepting that bit of technological innovation. It might be disappointing but it makes sense to me that he focuses on the folks that actually _like_ his games. Heck, look at the whole 3.x vs 4E thing. People feuding left and right, the 3.x fans can't actually agree on what the problems are with the rules and what the solutions are... why should he even _think_ about opening that can of worms for his games? Guardians of Order got slammed by fans for doing d20 versions of their games and d20 fans slammed GoO because GoO didn't really understand the system and claimed that d20 wasn't actually balanced. Up until then, GoO had a fairly loyal fanbase. After that, it started disappearing and they didn't really pick up any new ones. Why should Palladium run the risk of alienating their fanbase in the same way? Especially when it's _that_ fanbase which has managed to keep them going through some rather rough times. I realize my random once a year response to Palladium haters isn't going to change a thing. But still... can't you just let it go? Great, you hate the game, you hate the man, whatever. So what? Nobody forces you to buy their books. Next time you feel like posting a response about how Palladium games shot your dog, shaved your cat, screwed your sister, and ate all you ice cream... why not go post a response or start a thread about how awesome the last game session you had was?
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I love that his go-to examples for "whiny baby trigger-warning safe space bullshit" are: a) goddamn rape; and b) cold-blooded murder. Like, on the latter, not even the ubiquitous murderhobo crap, but actually executing non-violent captives solely because you can. If you have a problem with that, well, you're just a loving pussy. But, anyway. Of all the loving hills for these assholes to die on, I love that they almost always choose rape. Way to stake your claim on Mt. Indefensible! 
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Halloween Jack posted:I mean, why should he bother trying to cater to you? It's not like he's trying very hard to cater to the people who want to give him money for products, in the first place. *swish*
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ENGAGE RANT Do I feel that Palladium Haters are unfair? It depends. I sympathize with those who rag on KS because of his excessive defense of his IP and his draconian web policies. However, I understand KS on this. His IP is all that stands between poverty and life. If some legal twist of the knife were to occur that caused him to wind up like Gary Gygax minus the TSR payout, KS would be mega-hosed. That kind of pressure leads to understandable paranoia. If I could talk sense to KS (ha ha!), I would have him speak to an IP lawyer and draw up a better policy for fans that would also give him rock solid IP control. I have NO MERCY on KS for his refusal to update his core system and NO MERCY on recycling of art and text. Also, I have NO MERCY on lack of playtest. The Palladium Haters and I fully agree on these points. I disagree with those who hate his artwork, but enjoyment of art is very subjective so its a moot point. You either like an art style or you don't for whatever personal reasons. In fact, when I think of art for my future RPG, I have always fantasized about affording the guys from either Palladium or Games Workshop. I absolutely love grim comic book B/W art in my RPGs. Sure, the Iron Kingdoms art is superior in many ways, but there is something about more open line art that TO ME feels like I can insert my imagination in the white space. Perfect art doesn't give my mind as many places to go. This may be fine for covers in order to attract buyers, but I want inside pieces to inspire my mental wanderings and not codify thematic bits. I honor KS for his devotion to gonzo fantasy. Rifts is not my thing, but it certainly gets many people jazzed. It has been MY EXPERIENCE that MOST Palladium players talk about pretty insane off the wall stories, not character builds or "I got this goodie" since their characters start off pretty powerful with big guns and magic swords at 1st level. I think the teenage RPG market is a good niche and cheap softcovers are good alternative to fifty dollar college textbooks. I have NO MERCY on KS for ignoring the changes and realities as the industry devolves into a sideline hobby. It's evolution bitches - change or die. My purchases were based on the hope that a man with so much creativity and love for RPGs will be able to change instead of die. I'm giving Palladium a 25% chance to exist in 2 years. I hope they emerge victorious. I have NO MERCY on KS for any REAL mistreatment of employees or freelancers. BUT I do understand that it is an editors job to alter the perfect masterpieces of writers and often these creative difference result in bad blood. Stephen King talked about the necessary synergy between editor and author and how projects live and die based on the sucessful synergy and respect. MANY artists (and maybe especially artist/editors) have TOO much ego and I do maintain that ego (particularly overinflated ego) is the cornerstone for being an artist. That said, I firmly believe that long term success in the arts demands that the artist must learn to control and temper his ego...or he will self-destruct. I say this with TREMENDOUS admiration for everyone engaged in the creative arts and this opinion is NOT pointed at any one artist / author / creator whatsoever. I disagree with the "RPG = art" crowd and their hate for Palladium's low brow exhuberance and joy. Yes, RPGs can be used to tell "Remains of the Day", but MOST of us who actually play RPGs really enjoy retelling what are essentially Roger Corman ripoffs of Alien and Conan and other tales. It has been MY experience that MANY people's home games look much more like "Deathstalker IV" than "Mists of Avalon" and Palladium caters to them. As a certified and unapologetic fan of Hair Metal, I had to endure the snippy bitchiness of Depeche Mode / U2 wanks in college so this hoidy toidy attitude has always hit my "Red Mist Berserk Button" as it was never enough for people to just enjoy their hobby, but there was an insane need to pick at those who enjoyed something they hated. So yes, there are points where I will firmly defend Palladium and points where I sympathize and even agree with those who dislike KS and his company. Feel free to disagree anywhere and everywhere 'cuz that's the American Way, but I stand firm. END RANT ENGAGE EMOTIONAL COOLANTS
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that guy's campaign videosquote:Adventurers wanted for an adult-oriented D&D 5th Edition campaign. The campaign focuses on the erotic side of role playing with monsters. Little equipment, difficult adult situations, constant danger, successful completion doubtful. Honor and recognition in case of success. Players must be at least 18 years old.
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Halloween Jack posted:First: Oh look. Palladium haters showing up to take a dump. It must be that time of the month again. *several paragraphs of overheated ranting about how terrible Palladium's critics are* e: Oh, and the reason GoO went under was because they got caught on the wrong side of a currency fluctuation, not because "haters" abandoned them for going D20. e2: It's me, I'm the guy with carefully delineated and calibrated levels of outrage towards Kevin Simebieda (or "KS" as we true pros call him). FMguru fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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Haha holy poo poo that guy's video turns into some twisted "get out the vote" thing in the last couple minutes. What a toolbag.
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Halloween Jack posted:ENGAGE RANT  alg posted:that guy's campaign videos "You must sign a waver, you cannot call the cops."
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Shadeoses posted:Presumably the feat means the character is some kind of crossbow savant who has developed the techniques and tools to do whatever the hell they want with hand crossbows. In the cool anime one piece there's a dude who triple wields katanas using his arms and teeth. I'm thinking it'd be p  to do the same for the one handed dual crossbow guy, or like flicks their Bayonetta-like hair to reload bolts  Dang this is my longest "forgot to refresh the page" moment yet lol
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alg posted:that guy's campaign videos Oh god, I found the introduction to the campaign. Why did I watch this? Why?
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quote:I find it very sickening that folks choose to attack Kevin Siembieda a few days after one of his best friends in the world just passed. quote:Nah, not a troll, but someone who let there login name lapse due to the ignorant comments posted on this board by palladium naysayers. quote:Anyone here ever own or run a company? Probably not. quote:We are growing in numbers, soon you will all be palladium fanboys.... quote:Palladium books would not ban folks with actual beefs when it comes to product. But when they personally attack a guy, thats going too far. And Im just one of those guys that dont like people who ma quote:RPG.net domain to be sold to Palladium quote:Wow, you guys really don't like it when someone comes along and gives you a wap on the nose, do you? quote:Just wait till 2010. I'm going to make the folks in California an offer they will not be able to refuse. quote:Four pages? Wow, I'm good. Good night suckers. quote:I think I've made my point.
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Today I learned that being an adult is always point the finger at other people, refuse to attempt to see things from their perspective, and apply your own standards as the universal ideal to which other must live up... Christ what a douche. And you know, I even say this as someone who's been ok with some dark poo poo in his games. When I play World of Darkness or Eclipse Phase with a certain select few of my friends I know things might touch on some sensitive topics. But there's this huge difference between "everybody knows what they signed up for" and "springing rape on unsuspecting and possibly disapproving players is a hallmark of being an adult." Why is it these grogs seem to never even consider the option of just talking with their players and ironing things out beforehand? Fake edit: This is some viking hat authority crap I bet.
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Harrow posted:Oh god, I found the introduction to the campaign. Why did I watch this? Why? Some people are hosed in the head. The slightly off monotone just makes it worse.
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alg posted:that guy's campaign videos quote:DM: [sound of dice rolling, long pause] okay He, he, he, at this point he reaches over to, uh, shall we say, start disrobing you. Also, you get to see whatever he's doing on his desktop, like looking at his campaign map, or browsing GitP.
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Harrow posted:Oh god, I found the introduction to the campaign. Why did I watch this? Why? The Great Lich Keg Yeah sure there pal
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Harrow posted:Oh god, I found the introduction to the campaign. Why did I watch this? Why? The fu- Ok, so we have a continent that's so huge that it's probably about the same size as all of our real continents mushed together. And this place had one king? One. Like, for real? "There are many shipping routes." Uh, yeah, not really though since there's only one real continent. You can follow the coast east or you can follow the coast west. Save for some very minor shortcuts to bypass erratic terrain that's really about all you can do. "People are kidnapped and trained as sex slaves, where they become addicted to pleasure." You have no idea how human trafficking and sex slavery works, do you? "And because they are addicted to pleasure they are willing sacrifices to Kegil." What "Oh and Kegil requires souls for her phylactery but they must be willing for reasons I guess." What "Did I mention the campaign's big bad is named Kegil of all things?" What And all that is ignoring the real elephant in the room: this is all some super weirdo campaign designed so this guy can talk about rapey S&M situations.
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Kurieg posted:The Great Lich Keg
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I don't know why you guys insist on opening the box marked 'full of literal poo poo' and shoving your noses in, sniffing and going 'oh my god this is poo poo and smells so loving bad.' This isn't a surprise, why are you torturing yourselves?
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Mors Rattus posted:I don't know why you guys insist on opening the box marked 'full of literal poo poo' and shoving your noses in, sniffing and going 'oh my god this is poo poo and smells so loving bad.' This is the same hobby where people were sold literal boxes of poop knowing full well what they would get. It would be more surprising if we didn't touch the poop.
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