Star Citizen: Even the Pope won't invite me to dinner to discuss religion

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AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

D_Smart posted:

Straight from the FTC.

Mr Smart have you actually asked Cloud Imperium Games/Roberts Space Industries for a refund, and if you have what did they say in response?

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Moral_Hazard: Aug 21, 2012; Rich Kid of Insurancegram

DEREK SMART!!!!!

Dr. Smart, do you think the ICC may also have jurisdiction since the Crime of Roberts crosses international boundaries?

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:24

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

Paladinus posted:

What if it's Hitler? Being raped, I mean, not doing the rape.

Hitler's long dead. Leave the man to his grave.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:26

Paladinus: Jan 11, 2014; heyHEYYYY!!!

Mr. Dr. Derek 'D' Smart,

What is your favourite space ship?

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:27

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

I heard fans of star citizen are petitioning for rape in the game. You know, for realism. It's just another piracy thing.

How are you going to compete with star citizen in 2093 when it releases, when your game doesn't even have a basic thing like that?

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:28

Paladinus: Jan 11, 2014; heyHEYYYY!!!

Steve2911 posted:

Hitler's long dead. Leave the man to his grave.

Alright, imagine someone's cloned Hitler and he rules over space, kills space Jews and stuff. Optionally, he's also a hot woman now.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:29

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

Hey Derek is giving rational, polite and measured responses. :cool:

So, Derek, why now? Seems like whatever has been happening has been going on for a while so what was it that pushed things over the top for you here to speak out? Or is that part of the article tomorrow?

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:33

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

Can anyone summarise this whole Derek Smart thing in 5 sentences or less? I tried reading that Facebook post and my teeth melted.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:37

Cool Dad: Jun 15, 2007; It is always Friday night, motherfuckers

Eye of Widesauron posted:

In discovery they find Derek Smarts porno bookmarks

I would like to know what's in his porno bookmarks

I suspect it's mostly just pictures of himself

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:40

Incombibulator: Dec 9, 2014; I'm ready for my close-up
Ms. Gardiner...; Grimey Drawer

Derek, (thanks for coming back btw)

Why do you think so many backers of SC cannot seem to objectify their spending as being irrational? Are we seeing more than a game being made here? Is it in danger of becoming a cult, for real?

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:44

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

D_Smart posted:

I don't allow poo poo posting in my feed because it makes tracking of meaningful discussions hard.

Think how the cig mod team feels. The entire forum is poo poo.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:49

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

I promise not to ruin it this time.

And I keep my promises. Unlike Derek Smart.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:52

thatguy: Feb 5, 2003

Derek, I've heard many times from a very reputable source that you had a ball and took it elsewhere. Can you confirm or deny this accusation? Will we see you taking more balls in the future?

Also, Space Court.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:52

Cpt Underpants: Nov 19, 2008; Simply Irresistible; Grimey Drawer

Mr Smart, thank you for returning to the thread, but I must ask you a very important question.... boxers or briefs?

# ? Jul 12, 2015 13:54

Full Metal Boxers: Feb 20, 2007; COME LITTLE BITCOIN.... COME MY WAY.....IN THE MID NIGHT HOUR... I YELL NO NO NO... WITH A REBEL YELL I YELL MORE MORE MORE.... BIT COIN... I WANT TO FUCK YOU

Dr. Smart,
Do you have any comment re: your Twitter post about "notice how Star Citizen's next funding goal now says REDACTED", particularly in the context of implying that this was a New Thing and caused by your actions?

There was a screenshot of said Twitter post in this thread, but I am hesitant to repost it for fear of legal ramifications.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:00

Broccoli Cat: Mar 8, 2013; "so, am I right in understanding that you're a bigot or aficionado of racist humor?

STAR CITIZEN is for WHITES ONLY!

Derek; so, am I right in understanding that you're a bigot or aficionado of racist humor?

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:01

Evil Agita: Feb 25, 2005; Lord Fool, give me another chance. I'll prove my strength to you!

Hey Derek I never backed this and only follow this for the drama so thanks for taking this to the next level. Also allow me to say you are handsome and distinguished.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:03

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

Mr Smart, how do you feel about the implementation of the highly anticipated space toilet mechanic as outlined in these posts?

Fuzzy Modem posted:

In many ships, but not all. Really depends on their crew capacity and intended range.

Fuzzy Modem posted:

Your space suit will have a limited capacity to store waste (though it may be upgradeable on higher end suits) such single seat fighters without an interior beyond the cockpit are typically very short range though, and bound to a carrier or station. You will therefore be using the facilities on these parent vessels, and thus waste capacity will not be an issue.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:11

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

Darren, what are your plans RE:Star Marine source code leak? When should we expect your Not-Star Citizen release on Steam?

I greatly enjoyed your recent Not-WoW game very much. Look at those numbers Daryl. If these Not-WoW numbers are anything to go by, then there's clearly a Not-Star Citizen market ready to be exploited.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:14

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

Derek Smart got older and more mature, goons got older and post Goku cuck.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:15

jestest: Feb 12, 2014; Ancient Aliens: Closer Encounters

XMNN posted:

Mr Smart, how do you feel about the implementation of the highly anticipated space toilet mechanic as outlined in these posts?

Jesus, these are some lovely questions.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:16

RattiRatto: Jun 26, 2014; :I'd like to borrow $200M

:To make vidya game

Hello Derek, thanks for staying with us today in this thread.
We were wondering, how many followers do you have? Trusted sources told us that your network is bigger than the SC one.
When is your project gonna land in kickstarter?

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:17

Buschmaki: Dec 26, 2012; ‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿

Infinitum posted:

Darren, what are your plans RE:Star Marine source code leak? When should we expect your Not-Star Citizen release on Steam?

I greatly enjoyed your recent Not-WoW game very much. Look at those numbers Daryl. If these Not-WoW numbers are anything to go by, then there's clearly a Not-Star Citizen market ready to be exploited.

PLEASE, just learn to shut up when your betters like myself or Dr. Derek Smart are posting. I'm not an old fogey so I dont know the games Derek Smart made but I'm really interested in his opinions on Star Citizen and your, I'm gonna call it what it is, bullying just makes it harder to learn interesting information.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:22

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Infinitum posted:

Darren, what are your plans RE:Star Marine source code leak? When should we expect your Not-Star Citizen release on Steam?

I greatly enjoyed your recent Not-WoW game very much. Look at those numbers Daryl. If these Not-WoW numbers are anything to go by, then there's clearly a Not-Star Citizen market ready to be exploited.

Your title is also laughable, not in an intentionally funny way, but in a Vanilla Ice Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles rap way, IE gently caress you you uncool loser.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:23

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

Buschmaki posted:

PLEASE, just learn to shut up when your betters like myself or Dr. Derek Smart are posting. I'm not an old fogey so I dont know the games Derek Smart made but I'm really interested in his opinions on Star Citizen and your, I'm gonna call it what it is, bullying just makes it harder to learn interesting information.

I'm sorry. Lets learn together.

What is your PA's name? What is your lawyers name?
What do the voices inside your head tell you when you close your eyes at night?
Does the sound of far away coke cans opening trigger your PTSD?

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:24

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

Just gonna sit back and enjoy the Dr Smart ride now.

wanananananana

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:28

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

dr smart is my friend and will post in this thread again very soon

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:31

Eye of Widesauron: Mar 29, 2014

He came back!

:shibe:

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:31

GNU Order: Feb 28, 2011; That's a paddlin'

Friendly Tumour posted:

dr smart is my friend and will post in this thread again very soon

probably not considering how many people are stumbling over each other to try to administer the sickest burns on him

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:32

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

GNU Order posted:

probably not considering how many people are stumbling over each other to try to administer the sickest burns on him

those people are disgusting and will be probated as soon as the legal clears

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:33

Eye of Widesauron: Mar 29, 2014

D_Smart posted:

Well, here's the thing. It's not about that.

I know that some of you, even grown men with pubic hair growing in the places you didn't think hair could grow, tend to have way too much fun here. I have been around since SA was a "thing", and the good thing is that, even with all the goon poo poo that goes on, there is some level of restraint. Very, very rarely, do things around here devolve to 4Chan, 8Chan or similar places. That's the only reason why, from time to time, I post here. I have never - ever - posted in those other places. I don't post because I want to be a part of the poo poo posting forum denizens. I post for the sheer fun of it, and once in a while there's actually something worth posting about.

So, even though the 5 page Facebook post didn't have anything in there that wasn't going to be made public in tomorrow's article anyway, my feeling is that, you guys really shouldn't encourage that here. Those doing it, will think it's OK, because they don't know any better. And they will do it elsewhere, since they don't know any better. That's why doxing is not something to engage in either, even for shits 'n giggles.

So that's why I left because I don't want to be a part of that. Now that I have been assured they would be removed, here I am again.

As I mentioned in my Gaming Urban Legend blog which I wrote (for the benefit of the new gen who don't know who I am or where my rep comes from) last week, I have always been a gamer. A human one, no less. So, unlike those "other" guys who wouldn't dare come to places like this, let alone sink to the level of interacting with gamers who are *not* their fans, I engage everybody.

The SA denizens have made fun of me for years, but as I grew older (though I don't think the average SA denizen ever grows up), I learned to take in stride; especially if nobody crosses the line. Abuse, harassment, threats, SWATting, doxing, etc are never OK. In any form.

I see myself as that neighborhood kid in a small town, who left for the big city, got famous, but still comes to the neighborhood once in a while. A place where everyone is equal, and credentials, fame etc, are all patently meaningless cuz nobody gives a poo poo.

Well, this dipshit clearly knows a lot more than you, apparently. This goes beyond, and has nothing to do with just virtual items.

First, the article you posted, is from 2011.

Second, the FTC came up with new rules in 2013, and which they have used to go after, not only crowd-funding sites (Indiegogo, Kickstarter etc), but also crowd-funders. Their first investigated case, made headlines earlier this year.

You can learn a lot more in this 85 mins podcast that I did a few days ago.

Straight from the FTC.

This quote from this article

Another quote from this article

So yeah, the fact is, the FTC does have the full authority over this. And given the amount ($85m) of money involved, and the number (over 900K) of people who have pledged to this, they have no excuse to ignore it. It's their biggest case thus far, it being the biggest crowd-funding in history.

Indeed. But as I said above; I left for a specific reason.

Lol

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:35

Black Baby Goku: Apr 2, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

Derek Smart owned all of you, he was also more concise, well written, and funnier than everyone in this thread. That is really sad and its pathetic how lame you all look trying to "own" or "troll" him.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:36

Eye of Widesauron: Mar 29, 2014

Black Baby Goku posted:

Derek Smart owned all of you, he was also more concise, well written, and funnier than everyone in this thread. That is really sad and its pathetic how lame you all look trying to "own" or "troll" him.

I'm glad he came back and I hope he stays this time; I was let down before but I have faith in our friend

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:38

a star war betamax: Sep 17, 2011; by Lowtax; Gary’s Answer

Greetings Derek Smart,

Fellow internet celeb here, you may know me for my youtube channel, (found here: wwwyoutube.com/channel/UCDoLsvucJySN66VcpUjluAg) Or from my active twitter presence (@camanator2000, of course). I have: over the course of a decade and one half, meticulously created and cultivated a unique internet brand for myself. All of this I am sure you are aware, of. But I felt it important to demonstrate my credentials, especially for any "new comers" to this website. So in conclusion, I say all of that (see above) to say this: All that to say this:

Will your eventual victory over SC (Star Citizen) give us any ammunition in our fight against "Doobie's Dogs"? I am sure you have followed the Doobie Saga up until this point, but in case you have not, here is a link to the wiki: http://doobies-doghouse.wikia.com/wiki/Doobie%27s_DogHouse_Wikia Please answer as quick as you can, either here, or on twitter. Or email I guess but I don't know if you have my email or not. I will take my answer "off the air". (I jest)

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Octopode: Sep 2, 2009; No. I work here. I manage operations for this and integration for this, while making sure that their stuff keeps working in here.

sorla78 posted:

Based on your background and expertise and taking into account the outsider perspective, what do you think where the technical challenges reside that CIG might encounter and has to overcome?

Also, lacking the experience in Programming myself to have an educated opinion - but I am also wondering how their current progress on expanding/implementing additional capability into the CryEngine (such as 64bit precision) compares, are people with the relevant background actually impressed about the progress or are there unexplainable delays?

I actually don't think their biggest challenge will ever be a technical one; it has always been the massive amount of art assets they've dug themselves into a hole over; and I don't mean ships. They've promised over a hundred systems, with potentially multiple landing sites per system. Thus far, they have almost finished the necessary work for one of them, and made decent progress on a couple more. It's not a great showing so far. As for the biggest technical challenge: it's going to be the actual client-server game play communication part of the netcode once multicrew is introduced. Twitch multiplayer gameplay relies heavily on prediction; with a single player's inputs, there's a limited amount that can change in any one time, and so you only have to be so right with your predictions. When you start trying to do accurate prediction for multiple player's worth of inputs, good luck. This will be the real reason a lot of multicrew stuff gets minigame'd; when you have a limited amount of outcomes that are pre-determined, it's a lot easier to deal with.

For the large world stuff: I'd say they're about right on track. Something like what they're doing is the programming equivalent of ditch digging. They've got to slog through the entire source, make the necessary changes (which aren't that hard), and then meticulously test everything bit by bit. Rendering engines tend to be extremely optimized, which means some of the code likely has very careful assumptions backing it, when you change something like the float precision it's expecting, you've got to go through and find everything that broke, figure out how the optimization worked in the first place, and then recreate it for the new assumptions. Otherwise things won't necessarily crash and break, but you'll likely end up with strange behaviors that can't be explained, like objects rendering when they shouldn't be visible and the like. It's more tedious than hard.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:38

neonbregna: Aug 20, 2007

Steve2911 posted:

Can anyone summarise this whole Derek Smart thing in 5 sentences or less? I tried reading that Facebook post and my teeth melted.

Derek Smart, not the hero Star Citizen needs but the one it deserves, has small but non zero chance of emotionally devastating a bunch of space sim furry nerds. That's all the reason you need to help him out by demanding a refund.

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:40

Whittle: Sep 18, 2011

tehsid posted:

I cannot predict the actions and mind of Mr Smart. Nobody can.

(I'll see what I can do)

Can we get that in a live-steam? All I know about the man is that he unfriended Chris on Facebook and apparently that's a big deal or something.

Octopode posted:

The GIMP is a daemon

My contribution to the sperg wars. You're welcome!

Kewpuh posted:

i sent him an email asking him to point out the bad posts and name the posters that he wants probated so its a better experience for him to post his thoughts in this thread

Translation: I'm trying to give him the reach around as I type this.

Whittle fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jul 12, 2015

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:43

Zzulu: May 15, 2009; (â°ËvËâ°)

Look at all these goons going into a frenzy because an internet person showed up

# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:47

OhDearGodNo: Jan 3, 2014

AP posted:

I also think you'd get more laughs swimming against the tide and defending CIG as an extreme white knight, it would also more you more immune to moderation but whatever, I don't post there and it's not like it matters at all.

Not to be funny.

I thought about it last night and now have complete confidence in this game. I know CR talked about using VMs with the GIM and it worries me but I realize they meant Containers and ZeroMQ although it was never actually mentioned, and Google is going to do it for free because crowdfunding against publishers rocks.

This game is going to be the poo poo. Even if the technology doesn't exist CIG has filled it's resource base with the best and brightest innovators to push gaming to the next level.

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Octopode: Sep 2, 2009; No. I work here. I manage operations for this and integration for this, while making sure that their stuff keeps working in here.

D_Smart posted:

Well, here's the thing. It's not about that.

I know that some of you, even grown men with pubic hair growing in the places you didn't think hair could grow, tend to have way too much fun here. I have been around since SA was a "thing", and the good thing is that, even with all the goon poo poo that goes on, there is some level of restraint. Very, very rarely, do things around here devolve to 4Chan, 8Chan or similar places. That's the only reason why, from time to time, I post here. I have never - ever - posted in those other places. I don't post because I want to be a part of the poo poo posting forum denizens. I post for the sheer fun of it, and once in a while there's actually something worth posting about.

So, even though the 5 page Facebook post didn't have anything in there that wasn't going to be made public in tomorrow's article anyway, my feeling is that, you guys really shouldn't encourage that here. Those doing it, will think it's OK, because they don't know any better. And they will do it elsewhere, since they don't know any better. That's why doxing is not something to engage in either, even for shits 'n giggles.

So that's why I left because I don't want to be a part of that. Now that I have been assured they would be removed, here I am again.

As I mentioned in my Gaming Urban Legend blog which I wrote (for the benefit of the new gen who don't know who I am or where my rep comes from) last week, I have always been a gamer. A human one, no less. So, unlike those "other" guys who wouldn't dare come to places like this, let alone sink to the level of interacting with gamers who are *not* their fans, I engage everybody.

The SA denizens have made fun of me for years, but as I grew older (though I don't think the average SA denizen ever grows up), I learned to take in stride; especially if nobody crosses the line. Abuse, harassment, threats, SWATting, doxing, etc are never OK. In any form.

I see myself as that neighborhood kid in a small town, who left for the big city, got famous, but still comes to the neighborhood once in a while. A place where everyone is equal, and credentials, fame etc, are all patently meaningless cuz nobody gives a poo poo.

Well, this dipshit clearly knows a lot more than you, apparently. This goes beyond, and has nothing to do with just virtual items.

First, the article you posted, is from 2011.

Second, the FTC came up with new rules in 2013, and which they have used to go after, not only crowd-funding sites (Indiegogo, Kickstarter etc), but also crowd-funders. Their first investigated case, made headlines earlier this year.

You can learn a lot more in this 85 mins podcast that I did a few days ago.

Straight from the FTC.

This quote from this article

Another quote from this article

So yeah, the fact is, the FTC does have the full authority over this. And given the amount ($85m) of money involved, and the number (over 900K) of people who have pledged to this, they have no excuse to ignore it. It's their biggest case thus far, it being the biggest crowd-funding in history.

Indeed. But as I said above; I left for a specific reason.

Mr. Smart: The FTC is fairly transparent in that it intervenes when there is compelling evidence that actual violations of law are at stake. With that in mind, what aspects of CIG's crowdfunding campaign or behavior do you believe have actually caused concern that an actual law is being broken, and what law is that? With specifics, please. CIG is not, legally, a public company and crowdfunding backers are not public investors in that company, under the definition of the law. Because of that, CIG does not have a legal duty to act in the best interests of crowdfunding backers, so complaints such as frivolous spending of the money on private jets and the like aren't actually criminally valid so long as CIG can show progress continues to be made towards delivering the promised product (which they have a solid history of doing, legally).

Despite your claims on twitter and here earlier, CIG and Chris Roberts don't have any disclosure requirements to backers; the law is very clear on what constitutes a public company, and the requirements thereof, and crowdfunding is not sufficient to meet those requirements. With that in mind, do you really believe that you, or any other backer, are entitled to see privileged internal company information, such as financial records? If I were to pre-order Derek Smart's Battlecruiser 5000AD, should I be privvy to your financial information? Why or why not?

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