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Kemper Boyd posted:About ten years later, a bunch of these countries have got neoliberal governments who want to take part in interventions (for what purpose, I do not know) but they The biggest threat to defense budgeting in any country nowadays is a conservative government.
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Nobody in Europe is willing to pay adequately for defense, conservative or liberal.
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Jul 12, 2015 16:57
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Jul 12, 2015 17:11
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Former fighter pilot says he single-handedly saved the world? Sounds legit.
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So there I was at 20k, Stalin, Kruschev, and Mao were each turning in on me.
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Jul 12, 2015 17:33
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Forums Terrorist posted:The biggest threat to defense budgeting in any country nowadays is a conservative government. yeah I know US conservatives are prone to cutting defense spending E: although I guess you could phrase overspending as "a threat to budgeting", but i don't think that's what you meant
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Jul 12, 2015 17:41
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david_a posted:I was summarizing his involvement. If you actually listen to the stories he makes no particular claims that his actions were all that important, just that they might have been construed by the Soviets as part of an organized response by the U.S. Instead of the actions of a single over-aggressive pilot.
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Jul 12, 2015 17:48
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Enourmo posted:yeah I know US conservatives are prone to cutting defense spending Well, with what happened to the Raptor buy among other very damaging long term things, I would say that the US conservatives did grudgefuck the military budget. Also there's the minor matter of sequestration.
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Enourmo posted:yeah I know US conservatives are prone to cutting defense spending It's one part the fiscal hawk wing making noise, one part sequestration (you don't get to claim credit for raising the defense budget when you shut down the entire federal apparatus in the process), one part making bad purchasing decisions and one part wishful thinking/I really want to push "right wingers are penny wise and pound foolish about the military" as a general politics meme.
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Dead Reckoning posted:The idea that a low pass by a fighter pilot in any way tipped the Soviet calculus about nuclear warfare with the People's Republic of China is the sort of extraordinary claim that demands really extraordinary evidence.
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xthetenth posted:Well, with what happened to the Raptor buy among other very damaging long term things, I would say that the US conservatives did grudgefuck the military budget. The defense cuts in sequestration were due to a demand from the Democrats that military be cut substantially more by ratio than everything else. Sequestration happened because House, the Senate, and the President couldn't agree on a separate, non-automatic set of budget cuts. The Raptor buy was cut by the Obama administration, and yes, while Bob Gates was a significant player in that, Obama made cutting the F-22 a campaign pledge and was sufficiently invested in its demise that he didn't want to be photographed next to one. So unless you're playing some stupid word games like "well all US politicians are actually conservative!" (which I've seen before on this forum, admittedly) then your claim makes no sense. VVVV Oh my god I hate it when I'm right. e: edited for mlmp08 Mortabis fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jul 12, 2015 |
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Jul 12, 2015 18:19
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Sequestration was all on the House Republicans, yelling at the dems for not being even more spineless is pretty lol. also lol at implying that the dems aren't also conservatives :d&d:
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Jul 12, 2015 18:23
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Mortabis posted:Nobody in Europe is willing to pay adequately for defense, conservative or liberal. Finland, the Baltic countries and Poland have at least kept their defense capabilities going since 1991, but since the end of the Cold War, the fact remains that countries like Belgium and Holland simply don't have any sort of existential threat directed at them.
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Dead Reckoning posted:The idea that a low pass by a fighter pilot in any way tipped the Soviet calculus about nuclear warfare with the People's Republic of China is the sort of extraordinary claim that demands really extraordinary evidence.
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Mortabis posted:The defense cuts in sequestration were due to a demand from the Democrats that military be cut substantially more by ratio than everything else. Sequestration happened because Congress and the President couldn't agree on a separate, non-automatic set of budget cuts. The Raptor buy was cut by the Obama administration, and yes, while Bob Gates was a significant player in that, Obama made cutting the F-22 a campaign pledge and was sufficiently invested in its demise that he didn't want to be photographed next to one. This is both incredibly simplistic and factually wrong, sorry. The idea that congress had a deal and the President threw that deal out is one of those lies people just keep repeating in the hopes that one day it's accepted as truth. e: I finally started getting responses from my rep, who I was calling on a daily basis, when I started detailing every school and exercise I was pulling my unit from and blocking Soldiers from attending, some of which supported the Marines (my rep is a former Marine). When he finally broke ranks with the Tea Party hardliners and voted for some form of compromise later, he was of course excorciated as a RINO despite being pretty loving hardcore in his right-wing credentials. It was pretty fun when we pulled a BN(+) out of the field 4 days into their 3-week pre-deployment exercise due to sequestration. Mad about dumbass sequestration over here 
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Jul 12, 2015 18:42
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mlmp08 posted:This is both incredibly simplistic and factually wrong, sorry. The idea that congress had a deal and the President threw that deal out is one of those lies people just keep repeating in the hopes that one day it's accepted as truth. That's not what I said.
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quote:Sequestration happened because Congress and the President couldn't agree on a separate, non-automatic set of budget cuts. That heavily implies that congress had a plan that would pass congress to even reach the president.
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mlmp08 posted:That heavily implies that congress had a plan that would pass congress to even reach the president. Okay, that sentence is ambiguous and I'll edit it for you.
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mlmp08 posted:This is both incredibly simplistic and factually wrong, sorry. The idea that congress had a deal and the President threw that deal out is one of those lies people just keep repeating in the hopes that one day it's accepted as truth. My job / career relies on NIH funding. We got buttfucked severely by sequestration. Obama had nothing to do with that coming down. If you want to point fingers blame Ted Cruz for riling up the far right with this 'no compromises ever' bullshit just before the deadline and then Boehner for letting his own party get away from him and not coming to any kind of agreement. I did get to sit in on a meeting with an FDA, NIH and a longterm Ivy league Grants office administrator where all of them told me that "Sequestration was just coded into the last round of talks because its so idiotic there would be no way the government would ever let it happen, I wouldn't worry about your funding 'That Works', people usually work these things out before they are ever issues." Yeah 2 weeks later the FDA and NIH guy were on furlough and the grants office administrator took a position at a pharma company.
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Mortabis posted:Nobody in Europe is willing to pay adequately for defense, conservative or liberal.
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Mortabis has, at best, a fragile and intermittent relationship with reality.
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Mortabis also seems to have a fragile relationship with noticing the difference between saying the conservatives have been bad for military budgets and saying the more liberal parties are good, less bad or anything actually.
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Dead Reckoning posted:For real though, if I was SecDef, all defense cuts would first be taken from the ample flesh of The Worst Service. the army?
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Everything but SAC is superfluous. SAC does not turn back. 
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xthetenth posted:Everything but SAC is superfluous. Gentlemen, the question is not "Do we need B-70s" the question is "how many megatons can we fit on each B-70?" BOMBERS ALWAYS GET THROUGH
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AceRimmer posted:Yeah, according to several stories like this one, it was a direct threat from Nixon via Kissinger that persuaded the Soviet Union to back down, which is a hell of a lot more believable. On the side there: HSBC fires six for performing mock ‘Islamic State’ execution as team-building exercise 
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Nebakenezzer posted:On the side there: HSBC fires six for performing mock ‘Islamic State’ execution as team-building exercise Sounds like a lame company that can't take a joke.
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Nebakenezzer posted:On the side there: HSBC fires six for performing mock ‘Islamic State’ execution as team-building exercise Probably had to up it to that because no one was going to laugh at their "Lets launder billions for Mexican cartels and get rich as poo poo and pay a small fine for it" skit.
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:the army? 
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Nebakenezzer posted:Gentlemen, the question is not "Do we need B-70s" the question is "how many megatons can we fit on each B-70?" Castle Bravo was the risky fart of nukes. Taco night every night. 
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Dead Reckoning posted:The Navy's Army, and more specifically the Navy's Army's Air Force if at all possible. One rated Marine Air Wing CGO I worked was getting a refresher on small unit tactics for their PME in correspondence, but their LNO never learned how or when to request non-ATO refueling. All I could think was, "what the gently caress is wrong with your priorities?" That way when he runs out of fuel and crashes, he can effectively recruit and run a small guerilla unit behind enemy lines.
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Dead Reckoning posted:One rated Marine Air Wing CGO I worked was getting a refresher on small unit tactics for their PME in correspondence, but their LNO never learned how or when to request non-ATO refueling. All I could think was, "what the gently caress is wrong with your priorities?" This is like the joke you tell at the bar and when you're done everyone looks at you like 
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Dead Reckoning posted:The Navy's Army, and more specifically the Navy's Army's Air Force if at all possible. One rated Marine Air Wing CGO I worked was getting a refresher on small unit tactics for their PME in correspondence, but their LNO never learned how or when to request non-ATO refueling. All I could think was, "what the gently caress is wrong with your priorities?" pretty sure its the regular army
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:pretty sure its the regular army The Marines don't need goddamned airplanes or aircraft carriers. As evidenced by iyaayas's story, they don't even know how to make THAT useful. bewbies posted:This is like the joke you tell at the bar and when you're done everyone looks at you like It's also one of those jokes that's funny until people realize that it's actually really loving sad. His story isn't the joke, pretending Marine aviation is a special snowflake is.
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This is not just a picture, its a metaphor
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Dead Reckoning posted:The Navy's Army, and more specifically the Navy's Army's Air Force if at all possible. One rated Marine Air Wing CGO I worked was getting a refresher on small unit tactics for their PME in correspondence, but their LNO never learned how or when to request non-ATO refueling. All I could think was, "what the gently caress is wrong with your priorities?" Trying to decode this. If his flight orders didn't include explicit instructions to go refuel at such-and-such a time, he'd just let his planes fall out of the sky?
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Jul 13, 2015 16:10
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As of today, Russia is invading Georgia again.
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Back Hack posted:Welp, Russia is invading Georgia again. Wait what
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Back Hack posted:As of today, Russia is invading Georgia again. DCS: Putin's Game is go. Smiling Jack posted:Wait what http://agenda.ge/news/38872/eng Apparently they're moving the totally incorrect "border fence" further and further back into Georgia? hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Jul 13, 2015 16:13
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There are no Russian troops in Georgia. *nudges border with foot, takes another step*
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