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G-Prime
Apr 30, 2003

Baby, when it's love,
if it's not rough it isn't fun.
Section 6: Horror stories about things you've found inside consoles and carts.

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Agrias120
Jun 27, 2002

I will burn my dread.

Cloks posted:

And a brief write up on Jaws for the NES.

This game is also on my list of "I will fight you IRL if you diss this game" games along with Amagon.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



G-Prime posted:

Section 6: Horror stories about things you've found inside consoles and carts.

Pics of flooded out Neogeos and that Japanese gamer dorm should go here.

Also, any good OP needs to have a long section on every single specialty controller and all the games that you can play with them. Start with the Mindlink and go from there.

Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jul 14, 2015

tyk00n
Sep 25, 2006

College Slice
Does anyone know of a company that manufactures Turbografix composite cables? I found this guy http://www.ebay.ca/itm/TurboGrafx-T...=item27fabae9eb ,but the pictures don't look too good for the price. I suck when it comes to electronics, so haven't tried myself.

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

zoink2000 posted:

Does anyone know of a company that manufactures Turbografix composite cables? I found this guy http://www.ebay.ca/itm/TurboGrafx-T...=item27fabae9eb ,but the pictures don't look too good for the price. I suck when it comes to electronics, so haven't tried myself.

That might be your best bet, other than tracking down a Turbo or AV Booster or whatever. The TG16 can do composite out, but only through the pins on the expansion port (which the Booster boxes use) or with some mod work and RCA plug installation. In the former case, that's why TG16 composite cables seem to be uncommon; there's no easy way to build one.

That said, a search did locate this:

http://video-game-cables.trueaccessories.com/cheap/turbografx-16-composite-rca-video-output-out-box-w-knjqmirioili

No idea how good or available it really is.

flyboi
Oct 13, 2005

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College Slice

zoink2000 posted:

Does anyone know of a company that manufactures Turbografix composite cables? I found this guy http://www.ebay.ca/itm/TurboGrafx-T...=item27fabae9eb ,but the pictures don't look too good for the price. I suck when it comes to electronics, so haven't tried myself.

If you're patient this is coming out soonish http://www.db-elec.com/home/News/dbgrafxboosterrevbreadyforproduction

It won't be any cheaper but will offer all video formats which is nice if you have a s-video port.

G-Prime
Apr 30, 2003

Baby, when it's love,
if it's not rough it isn't fun.

Random Stranger posted:

Pics of flooded out Neogeos and that Japanese gamer dorm should go here.

Also, any good OP needs to have a long section on every single specialty controller and all the games that you can play with them. Start with the Mindlink and go from there.

Dedicate a section to the RE4 chainsaw controller, because what the gently caress.

flyboi
Oct 13, 2005

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College Slice
Bad news for those people whom were looking forwards to the HDMI NES mod and have an Everdrive. The Everdrive is 100% incompatible right now and would require krikzz to fix it

http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12019&start=105


What's interesting is according to kevtris the issue is related to timing problems on various revisions of the PPU/CPU and part of why you were having issues on your NES univbee

flyboi fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jul 14, 2015

Baron Snow
Feb 8, 2007


G-Prime posted:

Section 6: Horror stories about things you've found inside consoles and carts.

The worst I ever had was working at Funcoland when someone tried to trade in a Sega Saturn. When I checked the battery door on the back I noticed it was amazingly dusty. I shook it and out fell half a cockroach. I quietly pushed it back across the counter and didn't even want to look at the games they had loosely packed in a crayon box.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



On the games that I'm the only person that would ever seek them out front, the GameBoy Color version of Montezuma's Revenge is awful with some of the worst music I've ever encountered in a commercially released game. It's atonal, shrill, painfully loud and the only saving grace is that you can turn it off.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.
FML can't get signal, can confirm composite out is working on my 15" (click for hueg) (PVM-20L5 - manual : http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/671080/pvm20l5.pdf )











Have no way to test cable for SCART out or BNC to SCART connector because these are all I have. Hooray! Open to suggestions.

Caitlin fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jul 14, 2015

RadicalR
Jan 20, 2008

"Businessmen are the symbol of a free society
---
the symbol of America."

Agrias120 posted:

This game is also on my list of "I will fight you IRL if you diss this game" games along with Amagon.

Then I guess I'm going to have to go fisticuffs with you because Jaws for the NES is balls. It's terrible, pointless, and idiotic.

So there, I said it.

Whatchu goin' do? :smugbert:

Mercury Crusader
Apr 20, 2005

You know they say that all demons are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Pyro Jack and you can see that statement is not true, hee-ho!
I bought a new car.



Monitor Burn
Nov 29, 2001
No clever to be found here

Caitlin posted:

FML can't get signal, can confirm composite out is working on my 15" (click for hueg) (PVM-20L5 - manual : http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/671080/pvm20l5.pdf )











Have no way to test cable for SCART out or BNC to SCART connector because these are all I have. Hooray! Open to suggestions.

Try the "EXT SYNC" button the left side of the screen and see if anything shows up.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

Monitor Burn posted:

Try the "EXT SYNC" button the left side of the screen and see if anything shows up.

it is legitimately lit in the picture you quoted and I have pressed it several times yes

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Caitlin posted:

FML can't get signal, can confirm composite out is working on my 15" (click for hueg) (PVM-20L5 - manual : http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/671080/pvm20l5.pdf )

Have no way to test cable for SCART out or BNC to SCART connector because these are all I have. Hooray! Open to suggestions.

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/STARINMANUALS/Sony%20Video/Manuals/Archive/PVM-14L5,%20PVM-20L5.pdf

A more detailed manual link. What console are you trying this with? And have you tried reseating the SCART end of the cable into the BNC end? SCART connectors aren't always as grabby as they should be.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

Kthulhu5000 posted:

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/STARINMANUALS/Sony%20Video/Manuals/Archive/PVM-14L5,%20PVM-20L5.pdf

A more detailed manual link. What console are you trying this with? And have you tried reseating the SCART end of the cable into the BNC end? SCART connectors aren't always as grabby as they should be.

Saturn, yes. everything is connected.

Copper Vein
Mar 14, 2007

...and we liked it that way.
What system to you have hooked up to the PVM? It looks like you are feeding your RGB directly in, so is the sync from composite video or composite sync?

My PVM won't resolve a sync from video, but it will show a garbled image if the sync is incompatible.

Your set looks newer than mine, maybe you are feeding composite video in as a sync signal, which is very common, and maybe your PVM just goes blank if it doesn't like the sync.

Find out what is on your SCART pin 20, composite video, or composite sync.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.
...like I said, it's a Saturn, and it's an RGB cable with CSYNC with euro pinout which shouldn't make much of a difference.

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc

flyboi
Oct 13, 2005

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College Slice

Caitlin posted:

...like I said, it's a Saturn, and it's an RGB cable with CSYNC with euro pinout which shouldn't make much of a difference.

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc

A NTSC Saturn does not have CSync and uses composite video for sync. Does your adapter for the PVM have a LM1881 circuit in it? If not that's likely the issue. I don't think PVMs like composite for sync.

Edit: like this https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/female-rgb-break-out-scart-to-4-x-bnc--2-x-rca-for-sony-pvm-monitors

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

flyboi posted:

A NTSC Saturn does not have CSync and uses composite video for sync. Does your adapter for the PVM have a LM1881 circuit in it? If not that's likely the issue. I don't think PVMs like composite for sync.

Edit: like this https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/female-rgb-break-out-scart-to-4-x-bnc--2-x-rca-for-sony-pvm-monitors

Just who I was hoping would respond. I definitely did not buy that one. Thank you for that, it really saved me a lot of hassle (even if I did blow money on that cable I guess). SNES or NGCD or any other systems that'll work with the CSYNC adapter stock?

this is amusing because I checked with the thread before purchasing my BNC adapter to make sure I was getting the right one

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Are there any option boards in the back of your PVM? Probably not, but you never know?

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Mercury Crusader posted:

I bought a new car.





Just remember to flush it afterwards.

Kea
Oct 5, 2007
It occured to me that US goons probably dont get these bits of rubbish with their consoles



I must have about fifty of these bits of rubbish, godamn scart.

edit: I really hate scart

Kea fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jul 14, 2015

flyboi
Oct 13, 2005

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College Slice

Caitlin posted:

Just who I was hoping would respond. I definitely did not buy that one. Thank you for that, it really saved me a lot of hassle (even if I did blow money on that cable I guess). SNES or NGCD or any other systems that'll work with the CSYNC adapter stock?

this is amusing because I checked with the thread before purchasing my BNC adapter to make sure I was getting the right one

Well I got it backwards, it's PAL that has 9V instead of CSync. Try taking the sync cable on your connector and hook it directly to composite video. If it shows a signal and looks right then you have the wrong Saturn cable which doesn't use csync. Either you would need a new Saturn cable or the LM1881 breakout connector to fix it.

As for other systems with csync SNES and Dreamcast both have it as well as Neo Geo CD.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

flyboi posted:

Well I got it backwards, it's PAL that has 9V instead of CSync. Try taking the sync cable on your connector and hook it directly to composite video. If it shows a signal and looks right then you have the wrong Saturn cable which doesn't use csync. Either you would need a new Saturn cable or the LM1881 breakout connector to fix it.

As for other systems with csync SNES and Dreamcast both have it as well as Neo Geo CD.

Hooked sync to composite A, switched to line A, shows 480/60i but just a black screen. Thanks for letting me know about the other systems though, as I can do all three of those. Cable definitely uses CSYNC unless they mislabeled it.

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega-saturn-rgb-av-scart-ntsc-cable-tv-lead-cord-with-rca-sound-breakout

Monitor Burn
Nov 29, 2001
No clever to be found here

Caitlin posted:

Just who I was hoping would respond. I definitely did not buy that one. Thank you for that, it really saved me a lot of hassle (even if I did blow money on that cable I guess). SNES or NGCD or any other systems that'll work with the CSYNC adapter stock?

this is amusing because I checked with the thread before purchasing my BNC adapter to make sure I was getting the right one

The cables should be wired correctly for a north american NTSC Saturn (as well as the SNES, Genesis, Neo Geo, etc), and I tested the exact same setup on my PVM. It may just be a matter of getting the PVM set up properly, or one of the cables may have been wired incorrectly. Which model/revision Saturn do you have?

Also, which options on the PVM have you tried already?

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

Monitor Burn posted:

The cables should be wired correctly for a north american NTSC Saturn (as well as the SNES, Genesis, Neo Geo, etc), and I tested the exact same setup on my PVM. It may just be a matter of getting the PVM set up properly, or one of the cables may have been wired incorrectly. Which model/revision Saturn do you have?

Also, which options on the PVM have you tried already?

Saturn model 1, all of the options. I mean, at least everything related to signal input/output that I could think of.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Random Stranger posted:

On the games that I'm the only person that would ever seek them out front, the GameBoy Color version of Montezuma's Revenge is awful with some of the worst music I've ever encountered in a commercially released game. It's atonal, shrill, painfully loud and the only saving grace is that you can turn it off.

Thanks for reminding me I need to write up on the game I got for the DIRGE today :getin:

flyboi
Oct 13, 2005

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College Slice

Caitlin posted:

Hooked sync to composite A, switched to line A, shows 480/60i but just a black screen. Thanks for letting me know about the other systems though, as I can do all three of those. Cable definitely uses CSYNC unless they mislabeled it.

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega-saturn-rgb-av-scart-ntsc-cable-tv-lead-cord-with-rca-sound-breakout

Well if it's a black screen but is showing a sync that means that it's hooked up right and should be syncing on the RGB input as well. Not sure why you wouldn't get sync on the RGB side as well.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

flyboi posted:

Well if it's a black screen but is showing a sync that means that it's hooked up right and should be syncing on the RGB input as well. Not sure why you wouldn't get sync on the RGB side as well.

:smith:

oh. Well that's a much more frustrating answer.

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Caitlin posted:

Saturn model 1, all of the options. I mean, at least everything related to signal input/output that I could think of.

http://lghttp.21022.nexcesscdn.net/...-14l5-25682.jpg

On the back, above the bottom inputs, are there any add-in boards? Or is it just blank covers, as in the image above? If there are add-in boards, the display might be monitoring them for a video signal, rather than the standard inputs.

Mercury Crusader
Apr 20, 2005

You know they say that all demons are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Pyro Jack and you can see that statement is not true, hee-ho!

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Just remember to flush it afterwards.

I didn't buy the toilet add-on.

mikeycp
Nov 24, 2010

I've changed a lot since I started hanging with Sonic, but I can't depend on him forever. I know I can do this by myself! Okay, Eggman! Bring it on!

kirbysuperstar posted:

Thanks for reminding me I need to write up on the game I got for the DIRGE today :getin:

I need to do mine too, but I would rather wait until I can get a working capture device and just record me playing, since I am not great at writing review type stuff.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

Kthulhu5000 posted:

http://lghttp.21022.nexcesscdn.net/...-14l5-25682.jpg

On the back, above the bottom inputs, are there any add-in boards? Or is it just blank covers, as in the image above? If there are add-in boards, the display might be monitoring them for a video signal, rather than the standard inputs.

no. there are no boards.

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Caitlin posted:

no. there are no boards.

Have you tried pressing the Option A / Option B buttons below the RGB/Comp button on the front, regardless? If there was any kind of add-on board, and the option is enabled, the display might still be trying to get a signal that way?

EDIT: Those buttons tell the system to switch to the optional BKM input boards that could be purchased and installed for the 20L5.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.
...I had to have pressed the buttons to have even tested the signal on the Line A composite, you know

yes I pressed the buttons

Kea
Oct 5, 2007
Been looking to see if I could find anything but the only thing ive found is a cryptic reference from here

http://retrorgb.com/saturn.html

" If you have trouble with the RGB SCART cable linked above, your console may require using composite video or luma as sync. You can try to modify it yourself, or just order a Saturn RGB SCART cable that gets sync from composite video."

No explanation unfortunately, seems to be some dark art.

Monitor Burn
Nov 29, 2001
No clever to be found here

Caitlin posted:

:smith:

oh. Well that's a much more frustrating answer.

If you have the consoles/cables, I'd recommend testing component video using RCA-BNC adapters (and with EXT SYNC off), just to make sure that input is working correctly.

Edit: On my PVM, it requires Input A/RBG, Line/RGB, and EXT SYNC to all be enabled for RGB to display properly. If Line/RGB isn't selected but the other two are, I get a blank screen with no video (although I don't get the "No Sync" message). Maybe there is an equivalent to that on the 20L5?

In any case I'd contact RGC, they are usually pretty helpful.

Monitor Burn fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jul 14, 2015

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univbee
Jun 3, 2004




flyboi posted:

What's interesting is according to kevtris the issue is related to timing problems on various revisions of the PPU/CPU and part of why you were having issues on your NES univbee

Yeah from some krikzz forum discussion I found a while back there was mention of this. Not sure if anything's been done lately, I've been meaning to re-test with newer firmware revisions but none of my retro stuff is hooked up anymore and I've been lazy.

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