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Can someone please explain why people keep throwing out "black robed" judges/lawyers when it comes to berating the justices that okay'd SSM? Is there like some sort of biblical context that I'm missing?
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Jul 15, 2015 05:27
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They're implying the judges are sith lords obviously
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Jul 15, 2015 05:35
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unwantedplatypus posted:They're implying the judges are sith lords obviously And in the case of Scalia, they'd be right.
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Jul 15, 2015 05:48
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Morter posted:Can someone please explain why people keep throwing out "black robed" judges/lawyers when it comes to berating the justices that okay'd SSM? Is there like some sort of biblical context that I'm missing? If I had to guess, it's because it calls to mind that these aren't your representatives--they don't even dress like you!
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Jul 15, 2015 06:07
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Morter posted:Can someone please explain why people keep throwing out "black robed" judges/lawyers when it comes to berating the justices that okay'd SSM? Is there like some sort of biblical context that I'm missing? You're not missing a thing. (it sounds sinister, I guess) The messaging of the right-wing hate machine totally collapsed in on itself after the 26th. I didn't expect it to be this bad, but they've been flailing around in their attempt to demonize gays and delegitimize the supreme court decision. The timing was sublime: To counter rainbow facebook images, they decided to use American Flag images - right before July 4th. So that went over as well as you expect. I'm sure our troops felt very supported in late June and early July. And a racist virgin shot up an historic black church in an horrific massacre, so their most favored rallying banner of hateful rebellion is now off limits to them for the short term. And the Republican primary is underway, and everybody is jones'ing to hate on gays as much as possible, but only in the most passive-aggressive way possible because they know the way the wind is blowing, even in their own party. The money and messaging is shifting, and they have to adapt with subtle silence. It's as if a God on high is orchestrating a confluence of political events to make a backlash on gays unacceptable for the short term. So far there has been no organized response to the legalization of marriage nationwide. That'll change, but for now it's just one big victory lap of bigot tears.
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Jul 15, 2015 06:09
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Morter posted:Can someone please explain why people keep throwing out "black robed" judges/lawyers when it comes to berating the justices that okay'd SSM? Is there like some sort of biblical context that I'm missing? Coming from a background that involved a lot of that sort of stupidity, the night or just the color black can be seen as the domain of THE DEVIL!!!! to brainless fundamentalists, so they're likely trying to equate them with evil/THE DEVIL!!!! by drawing attention to that.
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Jul 15, 2015 06:15
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Do It Once Right posted:It's as if a God on high is orchestrating a confluence of political events to make a backlash on gays unacceptable for the short term. 
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Jul 15, 2015 14:22
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Tony Perkins on Trans* troops being able to serve their countryquote:The military discriminates constantly in its attempts to find the best physical and mental recruits it can. Why is this any different? Otherwise qualified men and women are turned away from the military every day for bad eyes, flat feet, asthma, and a host of other truly immutable characteristics. Yet in the phony name of fairness, our leaders would willingly let people into the military whose mental state is not only unstable -- but a detriment to their fellow service members? It's illogical. Allergies can keep you out of the military, but gender dysphoria can't? The tension with China and Iran is escalating, and America's strength is declining. Instead of Humvees, we're buying hormones. A military whose budget was cut to bare bones will suddenly be forking over millions of dollars for surgeries, therapies, pills, and retrofitting of facilities. And for what? Certainly not to make the military more capable of performing its mission. It is time for our nation's military leaders to put their stars on the line and tell the President 'no.' The thousands of men and women who serve in our military follow the orders flowing from the Pentagon, trusting that their leaders are doing what is necessary to accomplish the military's mission -- not the deviant agenda of this President." - Tony Perkins There is so much to take from this statement Also, who knew flat feet was a deal breaker
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Jul 15, 2015 15:36
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Hmmm, we turn away people with medical conditions that can impair them in combat...I don't think gender identity does that.
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Jul 15, 2015 15:39
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jivjov posted:Hmmm, we turn away people with medical conditions that can impair them in combat...I don't think gender identity does that. That doesn't seem like an unimaginable hurdle, though.
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Jul 15, 2015 15:46
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jivjov posted:Hmmm, we turn away people with medical conditions that can impair them in combat...I don't think gender identity does that.
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Jul 15, 2015 15:50
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pookel posted:If they're on hormone treatments it might be relevant to their medical fitness, but I don't see why that can't be decided case by case. And they'd need to work out kinks like "does a person with XY chromosomes, not currently on hormones, who IDs as female have to meet the male fitness standards or the female ones?" Yeah...on a similar note, I got involved in a debate over trans people and organized sporting events. We walked away not having reached any kind of real agreement or answer...
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Jul 15, 2015 15:50
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jivjov posted:Yeah...on a similar note, I got involved in a debate over trans people and organized sporting events. We walked away not having reached any kind of real agreement or answer... I have no idea what to do there either.
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Jul 15, 2015 16:04
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On what loving planet has the U.S. military budget been 'cut to the bone'?
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Jul 15, 2015 16:09
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:On what loving planet has the U.S. military budget been 'cut to the bone'? Oh poo poo, I didn't even see that bit! Hahaha, what loving reality is he living in? Couldn't we cut 60% of our military spending and be spending more than any two other powers combined? Gounads posted:I have no idea what to do there either. Yeah...because looking at average baseline, biological males are always going to have a strength advantage. And even a trans woman on hormones could potentially have gone through puberty still completely biologically male and thus have a pretty statistically significant advantage over cis women.
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Jul 15, 2015 16:13
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Maybe fitness for duty should be assessed on an individual basis, idk.
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Jul 15, 2015 16:17
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jivjov posted:Oh poo poo, I didn't even see that bit! Hahaha, what loving reality is he living in? Couldn't we cut 60% of our military spending and be spending more than any two other powers combined? We spend more than the next top 14ish, so we'd have to cut more than that, I'd think.
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Jul 15, 2015 16:21
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jivjov posted:Hmmm, we turn away people with medical conditions that can impair them in combat...I don't think gender identity does that. Depends how you are handling it, if it's making you depressed or otherwise unwell then, yeah it's kind of a problem. Presumably it would be possible to pass a psych evaluation depending on the person but a blanket "thanks but we're not really interested" isn't too outlandish if they don't want to spend money and don't expect to get many passes out of it. The military are stupidly overfunded but they don't like spending it on actual soldiers. Depends whether you consider being able to join the army to be a right, which I don't think it is? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 16:25
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jivjov posted:Yeah...on a similar note, I got involved in a debate over trans people and organized sporting events. We walked away not having reached any kind of real agreement or answer... The Olympics has allowed transgender athletes since 2004, provided they've been on Hormone Replacement Therapy for two years. Shockingly, legions of swole transgender women haven't walked away with all the gold medals and olympic records. Why? Because a transgender woman on HRT produces far less testosterone than a cisgender woman. They're basically on anti-steroids. While some transwomen might be taller or have longer limbs than your average (keyword: average!) ciswoman, they tend to be weaker, and have poorer endurance. See Fallon Fox slamming into a bit of a brick wall once she started moving up in MMA. The problem is that all the Joe Rogans and other reactionary turds in the sports world would rather make snap judgements than actually learn what it is they're talking about.
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Jul 15, 2015 16:27
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Luminous Obscurity posted:The Olympics has allowed transgender athletes since 2004, provided they've been on Hormone Replacement Therapy for two years. Shockingly, legions of swole transgender women haven't walked away with all the gold medals and olympic records. Why? Because a transgender woman on HRT produces far less testosterone than a cisgender woman. They're basically on anti-steroids. While some transwomen might be taller or have longer limbs than your average (keyword: average!) ciswoman, they tend to be weaker, and have poorer endurance. See Fallon Fox slamming into a bit of a brick wall once she started moving up in MMA. Thanks for all the info! I didn't even know about the Olympic thing (but I will admit to not having done a whole lot of research on the topic; my last debate was at a bar)
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Jul 15, 2015 16:34
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Just let people play according to their gender identity. It's not like various epi-/genetic and developmental factors don't already give some athletes an advantage over others in their chosen sport. I guess it might be a problem for fight sports like boxing, so maybe handle those on a case-by-case basis. I doubt that the population of boxers/MMA-ists and the population of transgender persons are both so large that it would be a frequent issue.
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Jul 15, 2015 16:43
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Wait..what Obama is going to Kenya and will speak about LGBT rights and one anti group is protesting quote:“The procession shall be carried out by approximately 5,000 totally naked men and women to protest President Barack Obama’s open and aggressive support for Homosexuality. http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7802178
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Jul 15, 2015 17:09
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Thousands of dongs flapping in the wind, the truest opposition to homosexuality. 
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Jul 15, 2015 17:16
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Some of the stuff in religion, that people regard as historical/literal fact, I merely regard as 'silly fairy tales'... But the idea of "You let two adults (of the same gender) live with each other in peace?! Obviously you want to negate all heterosexual couples ever!!" is one of the most blatant departures from reality and logic I've ever seen.
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Jul 15, 2015 17:32
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I think the idea is that they believe that gay people are physically incapable of having "proper" adult relationships and actually they want to have satan pedophile orgies all the time while using their marriage as cover. Marriage is only a thing that straight white christian people can do, everyone else is basically the marquis de sade in disguise, and letting them pretend to marry is just degrading the validity of "real" marriage.
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Jul 15, 2015 17:35
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Wait..what I don't think he'd get it. You better start telling the people to just gently caress each other so he'd understand you're talking about breeding and not nudism or something.
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Jul 15, 2015 19:27
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Crabtree posted:I don't think he'd get it. You better start telling the people to just gently caress each other so he'd understand you're talking about breeding and not nudism or something.  Great, now its actually a scene out of a John dies at the End specifically that scene where they transition into the  's home dimension.
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Jul 15, 2015 19:36
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OwlFancier posted:I think the idea is that they believe that gay people are physically incapable of having "proper" adult relationships and actually they want to have satan pedophile orgies all the time while using their marriage as cover. Marriage is only a thing that straight white christian people can do, everyone else is basically the marquis de sade in disguise, and letting them pretend to marry is just degrading the validity of "real" marriage. No kidding, most Christian fundies really do believe the only sort of pleasure, fulfillment, or anything positive at all people get out of gay relationships is the perverse thrill of defying God and making life hard for Christians. They really do think that is the only possible reason to do it.
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Jul 15, 2015 19:48
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Cythereal posted:No kidding, most Christian fundies really do believe the only sort of pleasure, fulfillment, or anything positive at all people get out of gay relationships is the perverse thrill of defying God and making life hard for Christians. They really do think that is the only possible reason to do it. Well, it's the only reason I do it but I'm probably an outlier.
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Jul 15, 2015 19:49
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Cythereal posted:No kidding, most Christian fundies really do believe the only sort of pleasure, fulfillment, or anything positive at all people get out of gay relationships is the perverse thrill of defying God and making life hard for Christians. They really do think that is the only possible reason to do it. You have to admit, those are pretty compelling reasons to do anything!
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Jul 15, 2015 19:49
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Nintendo Kid posted:You have to admit, those are pretty compelling reasons to do anything! Get thee behind me, Satan.
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Jul 15, 2015 19:54
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Cythereal posted:No kidding, most Christian fundies really do believe the only sort of pleasure, fulfillment, or anything positive at all people get out of gay relationships is the perverse thrill of defying God and making life hard for Christians. They really do think that is the only possible reason to do it. I'd saw that's more of a perk than a driving force 
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Jul 15, 2015 19:55
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ImpAtom posted:Get thee behind me, Satan. I hope Jesus said that while doing this 
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Jul 15, 2015 19:59
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Flipping god the bird has always been my signal for "I'm close".
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Jul 15, 2015 20:00
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As they say: "Hasa diga eebowai"!
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Jul 15, 2015 20:03
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Klaus88 posted:
I think we can wear down the conservatives if we just keep stonewalling them with ignorance of "traditional marriage values" until they're the ones debasing themselves trying to explain it. Just imagine the last holdouts of anti-gay marriage being reduced to deviants that are just as soon arrested for public indecency than allowed to speak. Nothing like the polite homosexuals that are just trying to raise their children in peace without those straight pride freaks harassing these poor wholesome families at every turn.
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Jul 15, 2015 20:11
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Crabtree posted:Just imagine the last holdouts of anti-gay marriage being reduced to deviants that are just as soon arrested for public indecency than allowed to speak. You have just described the exact horror situation that these people believe they've been living in since 26 June 2015.
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Jul 15, 2015 20:14
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Crabtree posted:I think we can wear down the conservatives if we just keep stonewalling them with ignorance of "traditional marriage values" until they're the ones debasing themselves trying to explain it. Just imagine the last holdouts of anti-gay marriage being reduced to deviants that are just as soon arrested for public indecency than allowed to speak. Nothing like the polite homosexuals that are just trying to raise their children in peace without those straight pride freaks harassing these poor wholesome families at every turn. I honestly, and worryingly, believe that the last holdouts of this mindset are Christian terrorists--not unlike these--that threaten to vandalize or harm places and people that allow for gay marriage.
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Jul 15, 2015 20:15
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:On what loving planet has the U.S. military budget been 'cut to the bone'? It's not so much that as the procurement budget is spent mainly on poo poo that never actually gets made (see: M16 and then the M4 successor programs, that smart grenade launcher), or stuff that the military doesn't actually want at all (more tanks). Plus there's the whole problem with the tanker fleet being 40 years old and F-15s falling out of the sky and combat ships literally disintegrating because they stupidly launched them without galvanic protection. The money is being spent but not in the way that it needs to be going forward.
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Party Plane Jones posted:It's not so much that as the procurement budget is spent mainly on poo poo that never actually gets made (see: M16 and then the M4 successor programs, that smart grenade launcher), or stuff that the military doesn't actually want at all (more tanks). Plus there's the whole problem with the tanker fleet being 40 years old and F-15s falling out of the sky and combat ships literally disintegrating because they stupidly launched them without galvanic protection. The money is being spent but not in the way that it needs to be going forward. And the money isn't getting sent where it needs to go mainly because of horse trading in Congress. The US Army tried to tell Congress not to buy any more tanks, they don't want or need any more tanks and have more than enough, but Congress told the Army to shut up and get more tanks because of the tank manufacturers. See also the F-35 boondoggle.
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