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Young Freud posted:Honestly, the only way I'd accept a Punisher reboot is if he somehow ended up in the body of a black man or made an African-American take up the mantle, just because to play against the weird racial element the character has since the '80s, where he was a white guy killing primarily minorities. Also, it would make the police less accepting of his vigilantism, especially when he starts targeting corrupt police and systemic racism. Oh for crazy 90s poo poo, in regular Punisher the Final Days storyline had Frank get busted and sent to jail where Jigsaw carved up his face, then he escaped but his face was so hosed up he had to go to a second-rate plastic surgeon and before he passed out he told the doctor to make it so nobody could ever recognize him, and when he woke up and took the bandages off the doctor had plastic surgeried the Punisher into being a black guy. This lasted like four issues and he had a team-up with Luke Cage, because of course when the Punisher turns black he's gotta team up with the other street-level black guy in the Marvel Universe.
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Young Freud posted:Honestly, the only way I'd accept a Punisher reboot is if he somehow ended up in the body of a black man or made an African-American take up the mantle, just because to play against the weird racial element the character has since the '80s, where he was a white guy killing primarily minorities. Also, it would make the police less accepting of his vigilantism, especially when he starts targeting corrupt police and systemic racism. Be careful  what you ask for. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2015/06/11/remember-to-forget-that-time-the-punisher-became-a-black-guy/ Network Pesci posted:Oh for crazy 90s poo poo, in regular Punisher the Final Days storyline had Frank get busted and sent to jail where Jigsaw carved up his face, then he escaped but his face was so hosed up he had to go to a second-rate plastic surgeon and before he passed out he told the doctor to make it so nobody could ever recognize him, and when he woke up and took the bandages off the doctor had plastic surgeried the Punisher into being a black guy. This lasted like four issues and he had a team-up with Luke Cage, because of course when the Punisher turns black he's gotta team up with the other street-level black guy in the Marvel Universe. Looks like I was beaten on this one, but yeah, this happened ED: Also as far as the odd racial element, I honestly think for years the Punisher has almost prioritized white criminals; I never really thought about it but honestly I can't recall all that many minorities he's iced; he's obliterated an utter shitload of Italians and Russians but that's about it. That said I'm honestly surprised the character isn't involved more with the Mexican drug wars, because there's areas there that pretty much are more over the top than "crime ridden cities run by criminals" in comics; I mean for Christ's sake when they bust drug lord houses loaded with severed heads and stuff. Yet the only story along those lines with the character was lovely. Hell I'd even dig someone new from those areas taking up the mantle and basically waging war on the Kingpins and corrupt police. poo poo, Cuernavaca and Ciudad Juarez makes Gotham look like a pleasant place to live. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 00:01
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did he date lois lane for a bit during those days
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Jul 21, 2015 00:11
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I own that comic and I've probably read it a thousand times but I never noticed that the Punisher's hair is a thumbprint. Re: Racism, there's plenty of that in early Punisher comics, just look for Chuck Dixon or Mike Baron for your racisting needs. Garth Ennis is the guy who everybody remembers he had the Punisher shoot up some black gangbangers and then tell their smoking corpses, "they put the sights on top for a reason" but Dixon did it like twenty years ago. I believe it is Dixon who put his good friend Rush Limbaugh in two issues of the Punisher as well. Well, it was Rush-but-skinny, obviously Rush though, making it hilarious when Rush pretended not to know who Bane was a few years back when he said that the bad guy in Dark Knight Rises was Hollywood liberals teaching moviegoers that Bain Capital was the bad guys. I honestly don't know if it was intended to be ironic and reflective or cool and badass when the Punisher said of Rush, "sometimes I like to listen to him on stakeout. I don't always agree with him, but there's a lot of things he says that I agree with. Particularly his views on capital punishment." (edit) Oh I gotta say, another hilarious aspect of the Punisher is a Black Guy story was that suddenly he could never go anywhere without the cops loving with him. White dude with a skull t-shirt and more guns than Bosnia? Whatever. Black dude with the same loadout HOLY poo poo SCRAMBLE THE SWAT TEAM! Literally there's a panel, I think it was in the War Zone #75, don't quote me on that, but after the Punisher burns down a crackhouse he's sitting at a red light and a cop car drives up next to what is basically a black Bigfoot with a skull on it and the cop leans out and says, "hey mac, you seen the Punisher anywhere around here?" scuba school sucks fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 00:17
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Blazing Ownager posted:ED: Also as far as the odd racial element, I honestly think for years the Punisher has almost prioritized white criminals; I never really thought about it but honestly I can't recall all that many minorities he's iced; he's obliterated an utter shitload of Italians and Russians but that's about it. Up until the early-'90s, it was common for the character to be shooting up crack dens in New York, populated entirely by black folks or Hispanics. Blazing Ownager posted:That said I'm honestly surprised the character isn't involved more with the Mexican drug wars, because there's areas there that pretty much are more over the top than "crime ridden cities run by criminals" in comics; I mean for Christ's sake when they bust drug lord houses loaded with severed heads and stuff. Yet the only story along those lines with the character was lovely. Hell I'd even dig someone new from those areas taking up the mantle and basically waging war on the Kingpins and corrupt police. I would totally believe a Punisher series focusing specifically on the cartels would probably fix Ennis' "The Punisher has no Rogues' Gallery because he kills them" problem. And they could be new super-villains in both scale and behavior. The Knights Templar even have costumes they wear occasionally when making attacks or conducting executions. You could also use it to expose certain American backing of the cartels, since a lot of their money and guns are provided by American mining and petrochemical corporations.
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midnightclimax posted:I'm not arguing about what they're trying to convey, I just think the way they do it is dumb and also dishonest. But whatever, it's a superhero comic and not a Dostoyevsky novel. My point is that you can't stylize violence on the one hand, and label it bad on the other. Some broken muscle dude with a memorable logo killing people, but he's all broken and poo poo. My rear end. The Punisher's not a good guy (both in personality and what he does), the comics don't really make him out to be one. He's a crazy fucker with a skewed view of justice and an infinite supply of guns and the comics don't really pretend like it's a good thing very often. Like they don't say that the way the Punisher operates re: vigilanteism is good or really even useful to society and in fact a lot of the time they imply the opposite It's just fun to see him do crazy over-the-top and sometimes insanely convoluted bullshit to do whatever he thinks is right. That thing someone posted where he shoots Wolverine in the face with a shotgun and then hammers his nuts with a baseball bat and an uzi and runs him over with a steamroller is standard operating procedure for the Punisher nowadays CJacobs fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Jul 21, 2015 09:51
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Why is that girl from Batman:TAS dressed like a chola in the promo photos?
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Yeah Frank is a broken, warped and ultimately doomed lunatic. That's why as much as I like the Thomas Jane film it's not a Punisher film. It's all about personal stakes in that flick and his actions are justifiable (to an extent, you know what I mean) whereas in Warzone, sure, there's a bit of stake with whatsisname from Jurassic Park and the kid but ultimately The Punisher would have did his "Raid" of the hotel anyway JUST TO KILL PEOPLE... Although without the kid and Dwayne in there he'd probably have just bombed it. Point being; vengence is different to "punishment"
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Jul 21, 2015 10:29
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They are called the suicide squad because once the movie starts, you turn 360 degrees, walk out of the theatre, and kill yourself.
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CJacobs posted:The Punisher's not a good guy (both in personality and what he does), the comics don't really make him out to be one. He's a crazy fucker with a skewed view of justice and an infinite supply of guns and the comics don't really pretend like it's a good thing very often. Like they don't say that the way the Punisher operates re: vigilanteism is good or really even useful to society and in fact a lot of the time they imply the opposite they don't, at all. the punisher is extraordinarily selfish in that he wanted a war that never ended. so he chose crime. he doesn't want to eradicate it, that would be contrary to what he wants. which is people to kill to fill the anguish he has at just existing. there is no redemption with him (hence you know, his name). he is a literal insane person who can only soothe the agony of his life when people are shooting at him and he's shooting back at them. and it isn't so much labeling violence as bad, the punisher is a critique on vigilantism. and he represents vigilante justice at is purest form. vigilante justice is a punishment that you can't actually take out on the people that wronged you a lot of the time and so you hurt the guy that looks like he might do harm, even if they've committed no wrongs against you. its an act that is utterly selfish in nature and the books take great pains to make this be known about the character. (and you absolutely can stylize violence and paint it as wrong, see nearly every war film ever made)
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Young Freud posted:I would totally believe a Punisher series focusing specifically on the cartels would probably fix Ennis' "The Punisher has no Rogues' Gallery because he kills them" problem. And they could be new super-villains in both scale and behavior. The Knights Templar even have costumes they wear occasionally when making attacks or conducting executions. You could also use it to expose certain American backing of the cartels, since a lot of their money and guns are provided by American mining and petrochemical corporations. aren't narcos folk heroes in parts of Latin America?
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OMGVBFLOL posted:aren't narcos folk heroes in parts of Latin America? Sorta. They provide wealth to those who serve under them and thus bring prosperity and stability to the families of people who work for them that those families didn't necessarily have before. To those who don't work for them or against them or are otherwise in the way, they're villains.
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The punisher is fun because he's a nice contrast to guys like spiderman, batman, superman etc Superman will cry and cry about killing some dude who just murdered a million people but the punisher will just kill that guy with a Judge Dredd esque frown on his face. He's judge dredd, minus the law. Plus his villains are guys like "The Russian" instead of some guy in a power armored suit that looks like a bird or whatever  Best part of the punisher film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuqbIfOMxgc
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Million Ghosts posted:It looks like a 3rd tier webcomic from lycos or some poo poo What makes print comics better than webcomics these days, anyway? I mean I used to think it's the part where where real comics have standards and editors, and their art and writing has to strive for a level of quality you just won't get from your average sort of artsy teenager doing it for fun and internet fame. Then I read this thread. Webcomics and comics are both terrible.
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Irradiation posted:If you can look at this middle panel and say it's a good art style you are a broken human being. Also if you read comics you are a broken human being. If you exist you're a broken human being.
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Zombie Boat posted:If you exist you're a broken human being. Apparently Jesus fixed that for everyone, c/d?
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Young Freud posted:Honestly, the only way I'd accept a Punisher reboot is if he somehow ended up in the body of a black man or made an African-American take up the mantle, just because to play against the weird racial element the character has since the '80s, where he was a white guy killing primarily minorities. Also, it would make the police less accepting of his vigilantism, especially when he starts targeting corrupt police and systemic racism. Make him a woman also.
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Troposphere posted:nah, it's good Gaunab posted:squirrel girl got a donk
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her butt is fake as a civilian that's how she hides her tail, by stuffing it in her jeans and making it look like she just has a big butt it's a very twee comic
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Acne Rain posted:her butt is fake I never read the comic. All this time I assumed the tail was fake.
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Jul 21, 2015 13:55
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sorry to shatter your dreams that way
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Jul 21, 2015 13:56
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If the tail was fake she would just be a furry.
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Applewhite posted:I never read the comic. All this time I assumed the tail was fake. It's like Optimus Prime's trailer. it dissapears when it's appropriate.
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that's a meaty tuck, girl
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Superhero comics will always suck because no matter how sophisticated they get, they will still be about circus people fightingZzulu posted:
And sadly the best part is still bad.
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Germstore posted:If the tail was fake she would just be a furry. If the tail is real she's also a furry tho?
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That punisher movie was way better than the tryhard punisher movie that came after
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Acne Rain posted:sorry to shatter your dreams that way Wanted to plow dat cartoon butt 
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Superhero comics will always suck because no matter how sophisticated they get, they will still be about circus people fighting The strangest part to me, is that you word this like this is a negative thing
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Zzulu posted:The punisher is fun because he's a nice contrast to guys like spiderman, batman, superman etc quote:Several months after his death at the hands of the vigilante, a secret paramilitary organization retrieved his body parts. Using technology stolen from S.H.I.E.L.D.., they reattached his head onto his body and augmented him with super-hard alloy coating to his skeleton with countless internal organ modifications, rendering him superhumanly strong and resistant to any type of injury. The process also involved hormone injections that enlarged his breasts, which he took in stride, and he even began to wear women's clothing. 
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Applewhite posted:If the tail is real she's also a furry tho? If she was a furry she wouldn't hide the tail and yell fursecution when the person behind her complained that they couldn't see the lecturer.
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Zzulu posted:The strangest part to me, is that you word this like this is a negative thing It isn't really, but there's only so far you can go with the concept.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It isn't really, but there's only so far you can go with the concept. Alan Moore has taken the genre to some pretty deep and intellectual places, imo. Though people trying to copy Alan Moore has ruined comics forever.
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What's her superpower? Being slightly better than a sewer rat? Spreading disease?
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