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thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

Zodium posted:

For €60, I got a showroom model of a Brother DCP-1510 mono laser printer. Mostly to see what problems would pop up. It's actually very decent for larger text, but for the smaller font sizes in scientific article it's apparently ... tolerable, at best. While the text is legible, it's far from crisp. There's a mostly complete letter here and there, but most seem to have little white specks in them.

And I've found confusing results from Google. On the software end, some suggested changing the PDFs to CMYK, which I did via ghostscript, but this actually seemed to make things a bit worse; others suggested playing with print settings, which worked a little. On the hardware end (sort of), I've read it could be a poor PostScript emulation making a mess of smaller fonts. I've looked at the Xerox 3260 because it has licensed Adobe PostScript 3, I subjectively like Xerox, and it otherwise seems to fit my needs, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to say whether it even really matters.

I need to print about 1,000 - 1,500 pages' worth of black and white scientific .PDF articles a month. That means maybe 80% smallish text, 15% graphs and 5% special characters (e.g., Greek letters), if that matters. I'd like to do so, with crisp/clear text being the most important thing by far, with a (manual or automatic) duplex monochrome laser printer for a limit around $200. Is that possible?

I'd say your showroom model is a little worn, you shouldn't be having these problems. Look for dirt inside and check the condition of the drum and fuser. See if you can print an information sheet with a page count, usually holding down some combination of buttons will do this on devices without a network interface.

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Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

thebigcow posted:

I'd say your showroom model is a little worn, you shouldn't be having these problems. Look for dirt inside and check the condition of the drum and fuser. See if you can print an information sheet with a page count, usually holding down some combination of buttons will do this on devices without a network interface.

Thanks for the suggestion. I should probably have noted that I already inspected it, and that standard Windows test prints come out sufficiently clear and crisp. After fiddling with lots and lots of settings, the problem turned out to be that I was printing PDFs from Foxit. As soon as I loaded the PDFs up in Adobe Acrobat and printed from there (with exactly identical settings), the problem went away. It seems Foxit's grayscale print option doesn't actually do anything? At least nothing changes in the output preview when I turn it on and off, while in Acrobat there is an immediately visible improvement in clarity.

Printing is confusing. :smith:

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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Got a client who is sick of their HP LaserJet 400 color getting stuck in Cleaning Mode frequently, they have to hit OK on it, then it prints 2 pages and goes back to the Cleaning Mode prompt. They're interested in a replacement, not an HP, can sit on a desk in a footprint similar to the LJ400, and they'll get something more expensive if it can handle frequent printing and last a long time without these issues.

Should I stick with laser or recommend an inkjet?

EDIT: And I just updated the printer from the 2012 to 2015 firmware, initial test print went without any issue. Keeping tabs on it.

TITTIEKISSER69 fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jul 1, 2015

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I honestly struggle to find fault with the HP OfficeJet Pro X range if it's replacing something cheap like a 400. You are unlikely to get an economical laser that can fit the budget and footprint requirements. Just make sure you buy non-poo poo paper.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?
I think with laser it's still one of those situations where between cheap, reliable, and color you get to pick two. Color inkjets are just another few sets of tanks and nozzles on the print head and can share the majority of their components with the black-only model, where color lasers have either a complicated paper path that's likely to jam up or a rotating drum holding the different toner carts that adds a bunch of moving parts. As much as I hate recommending an inkjet printer, the few OfficeJets I support have been surprisingly nice to deal with. If HP doesn't pull the razor blade pricing model on those they're probably a good choice.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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Wilford Cutlery posted:

Got a client who is sick of their HP LaserJet 400 color getting stuck in Cleaning Mode frequently, they have to hit OK on it, then it prints 2 pages and goes back to the Cleaning Mode prompt. They're interested in a replacement, not an HP, can sit on a desk in a footprint similar to the LJ400, and they'll get something more expensive if it can handle frequent printing and last a long time without these issues.

Should I stick with laser or recommend an inkjet?

EDIT: And I just updated the printer from the 2012 to 2015 firmware, initial test print went without any issue. Keeping tabs on it.

To follow up on this, they now have a Brother HL-L8250CDN and it's solid. The HP still malfunctions even after the firmware update, so it will be taken away and scrapped.

Another client wanted to replace an old HP LaserJet color printer, so I recommended the same Brother model. He rejected it as he doesn't like the Brother brand. He was then quoted a couple of HP alternatives, but now he wants a recommendation for an inkjet.

Any suggestions for a heavy-duty, color inkjet for office use with multiple users?

EDIT: I suggested an HP Officejet Pro X451DW

TITTIEKISSER69 fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jul 22, 2015

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



Wilford Cutlery posted:

Any suggestions for a heavy-duty, color inkjet for office use with multiple users?

The Brother MFC-6890CDW I was given* by a small office has been pretty drat solid. I don't print much, but I like its ADF (both A4 and A3), duplex A4 and simplex A3 printing capabilities.

*They're still the owners but probably already forgot the gave it to me and for all intents and purposes they'll probably never ask it back. Their printing volume on it was even lower than mine.

My last experience with a HP color inkjet was years ago, on a decades old model. I only still have a HP LaserJet 1100 that's still on the toner I got with it.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Wilford Cutlery posted:


Any suggestions for a heavy-duty, color inkjet for office use with multiple users?

EDIT: I suggested an HP Officejet Pro X451DW

We have several OfficeJet Pro X inkjet units in service including the 7" touchscreen Enterprise MFP unit. Cost per page is lower than many color lasers. They are very fast and so far reliable. We have a few units nearing 50k pages with no problems thus far. My only gripe is the colors don't quite "pop" as much if you are used to color laser output. Reds in particular. They are perfectly fine for business documents however.

We decided to give them a try because the printer itself and the consumables are cheaper than most comparable laser printers. Have no regrets so far.

For those not aware.. the OfficeJet Pro X series are inkjet, but they use a fixed print head that is the entire width of the page. Ink is sprayed down in a single pass as the paper moves by. Only moving parts are the paper rollers.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Are you using decent coated paper? If you just shove 75gsm laser paper through them then you won't get vibrant colours out of it.

I'm a big fan of the pagewide inkjets that HP do, it's just a shame there's no A3 version. Just the ridiculous PageWide XL versions if you want larger than A4.

Thanks Ants fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jul 22, 2015

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Thanks Ants posted:

Are you using decent coated paper? If you just shove 75gsm laser paper through them then you won't get vibrant colours out of it.

I'm a big fan of the pagewide inkjets that HP do, it's just a shame there's no A3 version. Just the ridiculous PageWide XL versions if you want larger than A4.

Any recommendations on what type of paper? A few of our branch locations where a bit bummed on the color aspect because they are using them to print price/sale signs. If using different paper really makes that much of a difference I'd like to give it a try...

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Any paper designed for pigmented ink should be fine. I think we settled on 100 gram Rey Jetstar. I have no idea what a US equivalent would be.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I've been tasked with getting an Epson C3400 printer that was purchased with a USB interface onto a network. Someone has suggested a networked USB hub thing but honestly I'd rather burn money in the car park than try something like that out, let alone install it on a print server.

The user manual seems to suggest that the networked model just has an extra card in the back:




(lol at how it connects as well)

Epson don't want to say anything other than 'it can't be done'. I'm happy to get a proper service centre to do the work - add the board, flash the firmware if required etc. but I don't want to toss out a £700 printer and then replace it with the £100 more expensive network version just because someone did some incredibly short-sighted purchasing. Has anyone dealt with Epson stuff like this before?

americanzero4128
Jul 20, 2009
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We have a printer repair company that I use when I run into printer issues that neither my coworkers nor I are able to fix. They're really good at what they do and are reasonably priced. Do you have anything like that by you? If so, you could call them and ask if they've done anything like this before, and hopefully they could say whether it's doable or not.

Naffer
Oct 26, 2004

Not a good chemist

Wilford Cutlery posted:

To follow up on this, they now have a Brother HL-L8250CDN and it's solid. The HP still malfunctions even after the firmware update, so it will be taken away and scrapped.

Another client wanted to replace an old HP LaserJet color printer, so I recommended the same Brother model. He rejected it as he doesn't like the Brother brand. He was then quoted a couple of HP alternatives, but now he wants a recommendation for an inkjet.

Any suggestions for a heavy-duty, color inkjet for office use with multiple users?

EDIT: I suggested an HP Officejet Pro X451DW

Would you recommend this officejet over a color laser in the same price range for occasional printing of color documents? (no photos, just scientific articles).

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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Not sure what to tell you, but to conclude the story one of my teammates figured out that the original laserjet they wanted replaced had just lost its static IP somehow. Fixed it and it's printing wonderfully so now the client doesn't have to refuse any more quotes for printers.

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011

Hi,


I have a Brother HL3140CW printer connected to my home network via WiFi. Whenever anyone sends a print job to it, it proceeds to feed all the paper in the tray through, without actually printing anything, until you cancel the job or turn it off. Has anyone else had this problem or know any way to diagnose it? Printing a test page through the web interface proceeds normally.


e: it seems factory resetting it did the trick. odd

Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Aug 14, 2015

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




I haven't bought a printer in a /long/ time and I'm getting tired of sending files to my laptop from my desktop so I can print from usb on my girlfriend's printer.

I would be OK with a monochrome only printer for cheapness sake, are laser printers the best choice for that? I would also like to print card stock sometimes; not too thick, just MTG/boardgame sized cards. Are there any sub $50 options or would the card stock bring that up a lot?

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!

Admiral Joeslop posted:

I would be OK with a monochrome only printer for cheapness sake, are laser printers the best choice for that?

Yes, because the alternate is an inkjet, and then you have to deal with an inkjet and cartridges and dry ink and destroyed printheads and so on and so forth. You'll get thousands of pages on a single B&W toner cartridge, and toner never runs dry.

quote:

I would also like to print card stock sometimes; not too thick, just MTG/boardgame sized cards. Are there any sub $50 options or would the card stock bring that up a lot?

You'll want to figure out the weight of the stock and then check the printer specifications before you buy.

You're unlikely to find a new, quality printer for $50. The bog standard Brother HL-2270DW can sometimes be found on sale for under $100, but usually retails for around $150. If you don't mind a newer, unproven model, the HL-L2300 series printers can often be found cheaper. The most budget of those models seems to support up to 43 lb paper through the manual feed slot.

alanthecat
Dec 19, 2005

I've got an oldish Kyocera FS C5015N that's eating the paper as it goes through. Does this look easy to repair? Or worth calling an actual printer repair guy to look at? Or even just what's happening so I can learn more about printers?!





Update: actual printer repair guy found a tiny torn off bit of paper stuck in the printer and it works again!

alanthecat fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Oct 14, 2015

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Hey printer thread! I've got a one-off job for a client coming up and I need to be able to print full-color on some pretty heavy material (more rigid than cardstock) that is a little smaller (HxW) than US-letter paper. What are my straight-feed printer options these days? I don't need any advanced AIO functionality or anything like that - just high quality, full-color, and (I am guessing, given the material thickness) inkjet.

edit: just confirmed w/ the client and they said the material must use a flat path/manual feed

FreelanceSocialist fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Sep 29, 2015

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

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McGlockenshire posted:

Yes, because the alternate is an inkjet, and then you have to deal with an inkjet and cartridges and dry ink and destroyed printheads and so on and so forth. You'll get thousands of pages on a single B&W toner cartridge, and toner never runs dry.


You'll want to figure out the weight of the stock and then check the printer specifications before you buy.

You're unlikely to find a new, quality printer for $50. The bog standard Brother HL-2270DW can sometimes be found on sale for under $100, but usually retails for around $150. If you don't mind a newer, unproven model, the HL-L2300 series printers can often be found cheaper. The most budget of those models seems to support up to 43 lb paper through the manual feed slot.
Some of the HL-22X0 models can be found used around $50, but it's hit or miss and there's no guarantee you'll find the one you want with the features you want (duplex, wireless, etc.) and with all the risk of used equipment. They're pretty solid all around though; I'd say your biggest risk is getting one with an empty toner cart, which would still be worth it in my opinion, or a used-up drum which can still be replaced. You get thousands of pages per cart, and you'll get all of them unlike inkjet carts.

GigaFuzz
Aug 10, 2009

Any recommendations for which brands of office MFDs to go for and/or avoid? We're going to be changing provider for our leased MFD. Who we end up with will probably come down to price but I just wanted to see if any brands were noticeably better or worse than others.

We're currently using a Kyocera 3050ci which is mostly fine barring a few minor annoyances. We don't need anything too fancy, but decent user authentication/accounting (maybe active-directory based) would be nice.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Pretty much all MFDs are bad, the difference is going to be the service provided by your outsourced provider of choice. Invite a few in, let them present their answers to your requirements, get some reference sites that you can contact, and go from there.

alanthecat
Dec 19, 2005

I want to get data on jobs from our Kyocera photocopier – a TaskAlfa running Command Center RX. The support guy on the phone didn't know anything and then didn't get back to my email so I started writing some code that does the HTTP calls and regex's them. Is there an API or anything already out there? I just want to get notified when something is photocopied over 40 times.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Good value small business medium volume fairly fast colour printer? I suspect they're gonna be pretty set in their ways on Laser, even though i know for their use a good InkJet is likely the answer. How're LED Printers?

Maybe we'll hunt for secondhand, but in Australia there's less of that to go around.

I know MFPs are universally poo poo but it'd be lovely to have a faux-photocopier.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Nov 13, 2015

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


OfficeJet Enterprise X585?

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Thanks Ants posted:

OfficeJet Enterprise X585?

Seconded... we have one at the office and love it. Very fast and low cost per page, lower than most color lasers even.

Just make sure you use paper with the ColorLok logo.. Otherwise you will not be happy with the color output! This applies to any of the page-wide inkjets from HP. The color output is a little blah on non-ColorLok paper.

Son Ryo
Jun 13, 2007
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I need a printer for my disabled mother. She can't get out to photo shops, but she needs to copy documents for disability-related stuff so color is a must. She'd like to get something with a decent-to-high quality scanner, but if there's nothing like that in her price range it's reasonable for her to get a scanner seperately. She can afford around 140-170, with 200 as an absolute upper limit.

Etrips
Nov 9, 2004

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I know this is the printer thread, but I could not think of anywhere else better to ask this question... What is a good quality paper that someone can recommend? Currently using some hammermill ream that I probably picked up because it was cheap. And I do not like how flimsy and opaque it is!

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

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Etrips posted:

I know this is the printer thread, but I could not think of anywhere else better to ask this question... What is a good quality paper that someone can recommend? Currently using some hammermill ream that I probably picked up because it was cheap. And I do not like how flimsy and opaque it is!

Paper for what?

Son Ryo posted:

I need a printer for my disabled mother. She can't get out to photo shops, but she needs to copy documents for disability-related stuff so color is a must. She'd like to get something with a decent-to-high quality scanner, but if there's nothing like that in her price range it's reasonable for her to get a scanner seperately. She can afford around 140-170, with 200 as an absolute upper limit.

Why does color have anything to do with a disability? Even someone with black and white vision should be functional. That said, almost any modern printer with a scanner should be more than enough for anyone not trying to create professional/archival grade copies.

Etrips
Nov 9, 2004

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baquerd posted:

Paper for what?

Good old white printing paper for papers I guess? No color.

Son Ryo
Jun 13, 2007
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baquerd posted:

Why does color have anything to do with a disability? Even someone with black and white vision should be functional. That said, almost any modern printer with a scanner should be more than enough for anyone not trying to create professional/archival grade copies.

No, her disability doesn't have anything to do with anything besides that she can't get to a print shop, but she needs to copy important documents and have the copies be the same color as the original.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Thanks Ants posted:

OfficeJet Enterprise X585?

That'd be lovely, but anything for a... smaller small business? A bit slower?

They're currently in a bit of a 'transitional' period (aka money is being counted penny-by-penny) but their laser printer is dying and their photocopier is bullshit.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


There's a Dell colour laser MFD that's a rebadged Xerox going round for cheap. Dell call it the C3765dnf and it's a Xerox 6605 underneath.

Schroeder91
Jul 5, 2007

I'm looking for a cheap all in one printer. Black and white is all I need, I don't care if the printer prints color too as long as it doesn't care that it's empty. My current printer has an empty color cartridge and gives no poo poo as long it's still in there. The printer I was looking at had a review saying it uses all colors somehow and must always have ink. No thanks.

All I do is print return labels or copy a document and scan stuff. I don't really wanna spend more than $50-60 (black Friday sales) I honestly don't print much at all. Something that doesn't loving suck, works and is wireless is all I need.

Anyone have a suggestion?

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Mar 3, 2007

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Etrips posted:

Good old white printing paper for papers I guess? No color.

Look at the weight and brightness of what you've got now (on the package). If you don't think your paper is white enough, look for a higher brightness. If you think it's too thin, look for a higher weight. Paper is paper, shop by the properties, not by the brand. Where I used to work we went through hundreds of cases of Hammermill paper with no complaints, there's nothing wrong with it. Just gotta pick the weight and brightness that makes you happy.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

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Schroeder91 posted:

I'm looking for a cheap all in one printer. Black and white is all I need, I don't care if the printer prints color too as long as it doesn't care that it's empty. My current printer has an empty color cartridge and gives no poo poo as long it's still in there. The printer I was looking at had a review saying it uses all colors somehow and must always have ink. No thanks.

All I do is print return labels or copy a document and scan stuff. I don't really wanna spend more than $50-60 (black Friday sales) I honestly don't print much at all. Something that doesn't loving suck, works and is wireless is all I need.

Anyone have a suggestion?

The thread usually suggests B&W Brother laser printers for everybody except photographers. That goes double for people who don't print often. With most cheap inkjet printers you end up needing to replace the ink cartridges every few months even if you don't print much, because the ink dries out. With a laser printer the dry toner can't evaporate, you get to use the whole thing no matter how long it takes you to get through the whole toner cartridge. Unfortunately the laser printers cost a bit more upfront, because they know they won't be able to gouge you for $200 of ink every year.

I got one like this (but not wireles) and haven't regretted it: http://www.amazon.com/Brother-DCPL2...rinter+wireless

Toner cost is reasonable even with the name brand, and drat cheap if you go for the compatible knockoffs instead. Unless you can find it on a really good sale it is little more upfront than you wanted to pay, but you'll probably make up the difference the first year with what you save buying toner instead of ink. Inkjets are the devil. (It does lie about when the cartridge is low or empty and should be replaced, when that happens just look up the override code, and keep printing until quality degrades.)

Schroeder91
Jul 5, 2007

Angela Christine posted:

The thread usually suggests B&W Brother laser printers for everybody except photographers. That goes double for people who don't print often. With most cheap inkjet printers you end up needing to replace the ink cartridges every few months even if you don't print much, because the ink dries out. With a laser printer the dry toner can't evaporate, you get to use the whole thing no matter how long it takes you to get through the whole toner cartridge. Unfortunately the laser printers cost a bit more upfront, because they know they won't be able to gouge you for $200 of ink every year.

I got one like this (but not wireles) and haven't regretted it: http://www.amazon.com/Brother-DCPL2...rinter+wireless

Toner cost is reasonable even with the name brand, and drat cheap if you go for the compatible knockoffs instead. Unless you can find it on a really good sale it is little more upfront than you wanted to pay, but you'll probably make up the difference the first year with what you save buying toner instead of ink. Inkjets are the devil. (It does lie about when the cartridge is low or empty and should be replaced, when that happens just look up the override code, and keep printing until quality degrades.)

Cool. I'm ok with spending more up front to avoid ink. That one doesn't appear to have scanning though, so I think I'll watch this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MF...Ul8L&ref=plSrch coming black Friday for deals. Thanks for the suggestion!

Edit: actually this sounds perfect http://www.bestbuy.com/site/brother-hl-l2380dw-wireless-black-and-white-3-in-1-laser-printer-black/8161037.p?id=1219314439417&skuId=8161037

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monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Any thoughts on the Brother 2740DW? I like the idea of being able to scan multiple pages easily, but it sounds like this may be a bit big.

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Mar 3, 2007

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I have one, I don't think it's too big. But that's subjective, the size should be in the specs.

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