[Noisebridge-discuss] $23,000 in stolen copper wire, $1,347 in stickers

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ChickenOfTomorrow: Nov 11, 2012; god damn it, you've got to be kind

Praveen needs to keep going, the discussion list is too quiet now most of the contentious discussion has gone to slack or face-to-face meetings.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 04:24

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# ? May 9, 2024 03:58

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

Praveen needs to keep going, the discussion list is too quiet now most of the contentious discussion has gone to slack or face-to-face meetings.

https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2015_07_21

quote:

Bryan: For MongoDB users, learning how the technology works. If it fits, would it be cool to have office hours at Noisebridge?

Frank: What platforms?

Bryan: MongoDB builds database software and then open sources it. For use on any number of platforms. Typically used for services by startups to get going. General use database that can service small or big companies. Been around for ~6 years or so.

Steve: This should be subject to consensus proposal. Many strong opinions in the community. Would have to outline more formally what's being asked for. MongoDB is an open source data base. MongoDB the company has a couple products for profit... 1) support contract

Steve: Why the desire to do this at Noisebridge? I am synthesising the Noisebridge Discuss thread. If I were not here, I would have a proposal.

?: Praveen said he'd come next week. Could this happen next week rather than Steve speaking for folks on the list?

J: Let's consider how this effects Noisebridge non-profit status.

Bryan: If you all don't want to do it, that's perfectly fine. If it's inappropriate for Noisebridge, that's cool. Given the vitreol, thought I should give a face to a name and come to a meeting.

Kevin: Generally think it's cool. Sounds like you're coming as a expert to share your expertise. You're coming as a representative from MongoDB?

Bryan: Yes, which would make me reticent to speak on other DBs. Why Noisebridge? If there are people intested in trying new things.. going to groups of people from all sorts of different levels, novice to advanced. smart engineers interested by not working in distributed systems.

Steve: Could you contribute market rate for use of the space? Something I thought up that would make everybody happy.

Mari: Helping out the space critical. Small porition of budget as donation would be sick.

Steve: We're not trying to make money, and we need money.

?: What if company that made 3d printers offered something similar (3d printer workshop).

Steve: The difference is MongoDB makes a lot more money than small 3d printer startup.

?: I was involved with hacker lab in Sac. Was really free, then they started wanting higher fees, now they're sponsored by Intel, extending out to another facility in N. Sac. It's a balanancing act.

Bryan: We don't have an office in SF. Gentrification is a complicated issue. I've lived in SF since '94, have been subject to and contibutor to gentrification. Understand the need and desire to aley the crazyness of the city. We have not been given special privilages from the city.

Kevin: Recommend consensus not needed, but that everyone should have an opportunity to be a part of the conversation. Let's talk more next week per Ron and Praveen's agreement.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 05:42

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

quote:

Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] mongodb and noisebridge
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:16:16 -0700
From: Praveen Sinha <dmhomee@gmail.com>
To: Ronald Cotoni <setient@gmail.com>
CC: Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback@gmail.com>, NoiseBridge Discuss
<noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>, 2011PIguppy2011
<2011piguppy2011@gmail.com>, Naomi Most <naomi@nthmost.com>

Hey folks,

In the interest of not blocking anyone and getting more expedited, I've
taken this offlist.� If I come across as abrasive, I apologize - I know
that Bryan is a great person doing very cool things, and indeed I hope
to participate in the MongoDB sessions myself... But a corporation is a
corporation is a profit extracting at all costs feelingless machine and
it needs to be dealt with accordingly.�

When thinking about an appropriate donation, I'm using a formula
something like:
� � � cost per square foot � * marketing/bizdev cost modifier *
bizdev/marketing budget modifier * hr/recruiting costs modifier *
noisebridge premium�

We are a centrally located hackerspace attracting some of the best
talent in the bay and the world. �

I'll do some research and plug some initial numbers in there tomorrow
(unless anyone else has a starting point) so bryan can get everything
calendared in ASAP.

I've also gone ahead and cc'ed mitch and naomi, � in case they have
input �

# ? Jul 22, 2015 06:41

jony ive aces: Jun 14, 2012; designer of the lomarf car; Buglord

OSI bean dip posted:

Kevin: Recommend consensus not needed

# ? Jul 22, 2015 06:41

soy: Jul 7, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

haha wow, first thing ive heard about at noisebridge that i would even generally consider maybe going to and they are making GBS threads all over it.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 19:04

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

this reminds me of the time verizon came to my condo complex going "hey guys, we'd like to lay some fiber in your complex so you can get fast internet for super cheap without having to pay comcast, and also we will pay you $$$ to do it"

the HOA went to the lawyers and decided to turn them down because "there were a bunch of situations in which they wouldn't actually pay us any money"

motherfuckers they offered to lay fiber for free. the money was just a bonus. but WE SHOULD GET A CUT of course!!

# ? Jul 22, 2015 19:19

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

quote:

Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] mongodb and noisebridge
Date: 2015-07-22 10:04
From: Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback@gmail.com>
To: Praveen Sinha <dmhomee@gmail.com>
Copy: NoiseBridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>, 2011PIguppy2011 <2011piguppy2011@gmail.com>, Naomi Most <naomi@nthmost.com>

I'm not incredibly active at Noisebridge, so take my commentary as just
commentary, but let's think of two scenarios:

1. People can come to Noisebridge and host QnA's about technical topics.
If they are not disruptive, no problem.

or

2. People are judged ad-hoc for perceived political alignment (not even
actual political positions!), and then pressured to "donate" if their
character is judged to not be radical enough.

I'd like to see anyone who wants to teach people about open source code
to feel free to do that at Noisebridge without being judged against some
activist litmus test. Also, isn't it even more compromising of
Noisebridge's values to become some sort of for-charge seminar space?
The combination of radical rhetoric and rent-seeking is rather blatant,
and somewhat offputting.

-Jehan

quote:

Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] mongodb and noisebridge
Date: 2015-07-22 11:25
From: Praveen Sinha <dmhomee@gmail.com>
To: Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback@gmail.com>
Copy: NoiseBridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>, 2011PIguppy2011 <2011piguppy2011@gmail.com>, Naomi Most <naomi@nthmost.com>

And after taking a look at what event space is going for right now in
the mission... I would say that we ask for a suggested donation of $500
per session. I think this is actually a very reasonable/nominal
donation - it's for space for about 10 people for a few hours , and
mongodb gets to have a cool community vibe in their marketing. If they
were to rent space somewhere else in SF, it would run around the same,
plus we have cooler people.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is a genuine discussion, which IMHO shouldn't be offlist. If
> someone came and wanted to give mongodb tutorials, I clearly wouldn't
> mind. However, the fact that it is an employee of mongodb sets a
> different bar for me -- an employee using nb resources for further
> corporate development (no matter how chic it seems to have nosql +
> neuroscience discussions).
>
> And Jehan, my rent-seeking *is* blatant intentionally because we are
> otherwise a starving community space. A community space is not
> co-working space, it's not an incubator. I put my sweat and money into
> these spaces in order to give people access to technology production
> they otherwise would not have. Which is why I bring up
> gentrification: having office hours empowers mongodb and the folks
> that already are connected enough to understand what nosql is and why
> they may want to use it. My further question is: what would mongodb
> be doing to reach out to folks in our community that aren't so
> connected and empowered?
>
> If we let this happen, then why not host corporate apple hackathons
> for free in our space? Why draw the line at open source? Why not let
> popular apple host closed source API workshops in our space for free?
> I suspect that for some people on this list that would be perfectly
> fine.
>
> Also this is a fine line -- I *do * support mutual aid of up and
> coming entrepreneurs. I do support giving commercial space to folks
> inside our community access to develop and bring their stuff to
> market. I have no problems with Mitch selling his electronics at our
> space -- but on the same token Mitch spends hours and hours reaching
> out to the very poor and disconnected teaching valuable skills. There
> is a big difference.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 00:11

froward: Jun 2, 2014; by Azathoth

I predict that the rented room is occupied by activists who refuse to leave the room and actively disrupt the QA.

Also, human feces.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 01:25

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

froward posted:

I predict that the rented room is occupied by activists who refuse to leave the room and actively disrupt the QA.

Also, human feces.

It's called a "filibuster" and I'm not moving

# ? Jul 23, 2015 02:55

SpaceAceJase: Nov 8, 2008; and you
have proved
to be...

a real shitty poster,
and a real james

christ. just let them use the space.

is that not anarchy?

# ? Jul 23, 2015 03:32

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

SpaceAceJase posted:

christ. just let them use the space.

is that not anarchy?

anarcho-socialism

which, to a true captain of industry, is indistinguishable from slavery

# ? Jul 23, 2015 03:35

soy: Jul 7, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I should contact mongodb guy and offer space in my office near montgomery for free just to spite these washed up hippie "hackers"

# ? Jul 23, 2015 04:11

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

they should have just started showing up and having MongoDB office hours

doocratically

(someone poo poo on the DB)

# ? Jul 23, 2015 05:07

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

they could maybe use TechShop just to spite NB

# ? Jul 23, 2015 05:09

Buttcoin purse: Apr 24, 2014

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

Every year Google.org provides grants of $100k, $250k, and $500k
to bay-area non-profits with a local impact affecting areas such as
education, homelessness, and employment.

Google is impacting homelessness through gentrification :v:

# ? Jul 24, 2015 14:02

froward: Jun 2, 2014; by Azathoth

http://www.wired.com/2012/09/google-fiber-digital-divide/
google requires neighborhoods to sign up households if they want "Google Fiber" (surely they could've thought of a more distinct name?)

in a huge surprise stunning absolutely everyone involved, poor neighborhoods are left behind

# ? Jul 25, 2015 00:02

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK: Sep 11, 2008; Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola
-Cheap Trick; Nap Ghost

froward posted:

http://www.wired.com/2012/09/google-fiber-digital-divide/
google requires neighborhoods to sign up households if they want "Google Fiber" (surely they could've thought of a more distinct name?)

in a huge surprise stunning absolutely everyone involved, poor neighborhoods are left behind

this is the nb thread

# ? Jul 25, 2015 00:10

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

soy posted:

I should contact mongodb guy and offer space in my office near montgomery for free just to spite these washed up hippie "hackers"

lastjob was in the financial district and they held meetups for the elasticsearch usergroups, surely there's a dozen places in town that would love to have mr mongo come by

# ? Jul 25, 2015 01:17

moron izzard: Nov 17, 2006; Grimey Drawer

froward posted:

http://www.wired.com/2012/09/google-fiber-digital-divide/
google requires neighborhoods to sign up households if they want "Google Fiber" (surely they could've thought of a more distinct name?)

in a huge surprise stunning absolutely everyone involved, poor neighborhoods are left behind

I like how they made the economical option completely unobtainable by many who would need it (wrong thread)

# ? Jul 25, 2015 03:43

Buttcoin purse: Apr 24, 2014

ayn rand hand job posted:

this is the nb thread

I thought it was the "die techie scum" thread.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 04:18

unpacked robinhood: Feb 18, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Buttcoin purse posted:

I thought it was the "die techie scum" thread.

poors can't even be arsed to sign up to get fiber internet, die techi scum indeed

# ? Jul 25, 2015 06:43

unpacked robinhood: Feb 18, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

google rear end in a top hat scum want to give me free internet at a loss :qq:

# ? Jul 25, 2015 06:59

BONGHITZ: Jan 1, 1970

you are now banned from this thread

Buttcoin purse posted:

I thought it was the "die techie scum" thread.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 07:17

AlbieQuirky: Oct 9, 2012; Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

das techie scum

# ? Jul 25, 2015 07:32

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

Buttcoin purse posted:

I thought it was the "die techie scum" thread.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 17:01

The Ghost Writer: Jun 27, 2012; Shameful Outlet

SLIPPERY SLOPE
SLIPPERY SLOPE!
SLIPPERY SLOOOOOOOOOOOPE

being fine with maltman selling + pimpin his own for-profit stuff at and under nb because hes maltman but gently caress this new guy forprofit lackey for wanting to do a q&a about their opensource db b/c die capitalist scum smells like nothing more complicated than a simple good ol boy network

sometimes the old ways are the best even for a snowflake like nb

# ? Jul 25, 2015 23:32

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

The Ghost Writer posted:

SLIPPERY SLOPE
SLIPPERY SLOPE!
SLIPPERY SLOOOOOOOOOOOPE

being fine with maltman selling + pimpin his own for-profit stuff at and under nb because hes maltman but gently caress this new guy forprofit lackey for wanting to do a q&a about their opensource db b/c die capitalist scum smells like nothing more complicated than a simple good ol boy network

sometimes the old ways are the best even for a snowflake like nb

noisebridge is a community. the "good ol boy network" is the point of the organization. it exists to create and sustain those relationships

the mongodb guy is just some idiot who doesn't want to pay for beer and pizza to host his meetup at a startup office

# ? Jul 26, 2015 01:16

The Ghost Writer: Jun 27, 2012; Shameful Outlet

fair enough, and fwiw I believe that guy does have a point that space in SF is not free or cheap so by allowing someone to host an event nb is literally paying for them to do it and this guys meetup isnt a thing that nb exists to spend their money on

but the normal way to respond to a guy literally asking if what he proposes interests you is to say "nah we dont do that" maybe adding on "but if you want to rent the space (in the form of a donation) to give your event we can give you a competitive rate, otherwise no thanks"

instead of you know going all hmmm yes WELL uh please state for the class what are your opinions on how for profit tech companies are responsible for- similarly are you- how do you justify- and furthermore

# ? Jul 26, 2015 02:00

Buttcoin purse: Apr 24, 2014

If I was a member of a hackerspace and someone from MongoDB Inc. wanted to hold a session there, I'd say yes, and attend, so I could ask WTF is up with the product's name. Also maybe I'd learn something interesting.

Maybe MongoDB isn't going to improve the lives of any poor minorities that are soon going to be made homeless by gentrification, but then will the product below really help them either?

# ? Jul 26, 2015 05:11

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

quote:

Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Capitalism (MongoDB) has been vanquished!
Date: 2015-07-27 11:30
From: Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback@gmail.com>
To: noisebridge-discuss <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>

I see that Noisebridge has safely repelled a stream of potential new
members using the potent combo of anticapitalist rhetoric and demands
for money. Hurrah!

http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-MongoDB-User-Group/events/224211997/?a=socialmedia
[1]

Links:
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[1] http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-MongoDB-User-Group/events/224211997/?a=socialmedia

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lmao

quote:

Wednesday, July 29, 2015
3:30 PM to 6:30 PM
Brainwash
1122 Folsom Street, San Francisco, CA (map)

Have questions about MongoDB? Visit the Brainwash Cafe in San Francisco to speak directly with the MongoDB engineers! Brainwash is just around the corner from Heavybit Industries where the next San Francisco MongoDB User Group meetup will start 6:30 that night. Have your questions answered at Brainwash and we'll then move over to Heavybit for the meetup. Look for the laptop with a MongoDB sticker when you arrive at Brainwash.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 19:54

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

also they renewed their lease

# ? Jul 27, 2015 19:56

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

OSI bean dip posted:

also they renewed their lease

you can barely get an apartment in the mission for that much now, I assume the building owner is getting a tax break or something

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:06

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

qirex posted:

you can barely get an apartment in the mission for that much now, I assume the building owner is getting a tax break or something

the nb member who negotiates the lease is the landlord's son

# ? Jul 27, 2015 20:37

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK: Sep 11, 2008; Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola
-Cheap Trick; Nap Ghost

OSI bean dip posted:

lmao

so they managed to go from providing a good networking event, getting some money to reimburse them for use of the space, to doocratically getting nothing while a place a mile down the road gers the benefits

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:03

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

ayn rand hand job posted:

so they managed to go from providing a good networking event, getting some money to reimburse them for use of the space, to doocratically getting nothing while a place a mile down the road gers the benefits

and the presenters get a place guaranteed not to be covered in human waste

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:06

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

ayn rand hand job posted:

so they managed to go from providing a good networking event, getting some money to reimburse them for use of the space, to doocratically getting nothing while a place a mile down the road gers the benefits

quote:

Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Capitalism (MongoDB) has been vanquished!
Date: 2015-07-27 12:38
From: jarrod hicks <hicksu@gmail.com>
To: Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback@gmail.com>
Copy: NB Discuss <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>

Morning Jehan.

You have brought up excellent and convincing points in this MongoDB
discussion; I have found your perspective and input on this matter very
informative.

As we continue to work on Noisebridge and improve it, a greater variety
of people, groups, and organizations are going to want to use it. This
discussion about who this community is willing to welcome, or at least
tolerate, in the space and how Noisebridge protects itself physically
and socially from abuse is going to keep coming up, and probably won't
be ever be easy.

This provocative post is not likely to move that discussion forward, but
hopefully the responses to follow will prove me wrong.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 21:16

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

im kinda new to this thread but if im reading this right the guys running a nonprofit turned down a renter who would pay good money and provide their venue with broader exposure? yea?

# ? Jul 27, 2015 22:23

kitten emergency: Jan 13, 2008; get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Smythe posted:

im kinda new to this thread but if im reading this right the guys running a nonprofit turned down a renter who would pay good money and provide their venue with broader exposure? yea?

not even a renter, they turned down a guy that wanted to host an event there. nb just leases the space from someone else.

# ? Jul 27, 2015 22:27

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK: Sep 11, 2008; Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola
-Cheap Trick; Nap Ghost

Smythe posted:

im kinda new to this thread but if im reading this right the guys running a nonprofit turned down a renter who would pay good money and provide their venue with broader exposure? yea?

nah

a sw company wanted to use a room for a few hours for promotional/technical purposes

they were willing to compensate the nob profit for the use of space, and they were turned down because the place is run by anarchists

# ? Jul 27, 2015 22:31

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# ? May 9, 2024 03:58

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

oops i missed the part where the mongodb guy was willing to pay money for the use of the space

that actually sounds fair and reasonable. no wonder noisebridge had to poo poo all over it

# ? Jul 27, 2015 22:39

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