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Kashuno posted:This is not a typical town madman post and gives me major ~vibes~ I still don't understand the objection that my post received. Is it not important to give my thoughts and opinions to the thread, even if they come out to be neutral? I was doing a re-reading of Lumpen because Rarity had asked me too, so I started with that and then I caught up and weighed in on the various issues of the day. I don't want to come out swinging and being crazy like I do in smaller games, so I am being a bit more careful and measured. I get that it probably comes off as a little stilted or too formal at times, but I'm willing to take that risk for the moment as the game shakes itself out a little bit. And btw, I asked you about QPQ because, for once, I don't have to be suspicious of your opinion so I can take it completely at face value. I see absolutely no reason to doubt your masonry with Rarity, but it seems like QPQ might doubt it. QuoProQuid posted:In summary: "I have no scum reads, but I could jump on any of the players listed. Just give me an excuse to make a leap and I'll be there." This type of posting shows that TMM is reading the thread, but doesn't actually move the town toward any goal. It's totally self concerned and I don't like it. I also asked Kashuno because of Rarity's comment about QPQ found here: Rarity posted:This is a terrible post from QPQ. It's going through someone's post history and using a couple of negative insults for each one to paint them in the worst light possible. I could go through every player in the game and do the same thing and it would mean nothing except be an excuse to vote for them, which is what QPQ does. I expect scum would be very happy to pull off a D1 diqnol lynch so this post really stands out to me.
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Kashuno posted:I can't trust you after your ghostly powers failed me d1 I'm a ghost, and I may have tricks, but I'm not a phantom detective.
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Aug 24, 2015 14:47
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Can you hold the pearl in your ghostly hands
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Aug 24, 2015 14:50
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Kashuno posted:Can you hold the pearl in your ghostly hands Maybe? I don't really know.
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Aug 24, 2015 14:54
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Vimes can you hand off the pearl to Keane?
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Aug 24, 2015 14:55
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CCKeane posted:Why wouldn't I be scum then? Why are you jumping to 3rd party as an idea? Hey Merk I'm going to be aggressive on this point until you answer me.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:02
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Aug 24, 2015 15:03
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Pinterest Mom posted:good morning More like good mourning IMO (I am a ghost).
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Aug 24, 2015 15:04
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I don't know anybody who mourned you.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:09
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:I don't know anybody who mourned you. That's why it was good. Instead my life was celebrated.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:10
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I celebrated your death yeah 
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Aug 24, 2015 15:10
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I have pages of people talking about me to do more than glance over on my phone now, bbias
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Aug 24, 2015 15:12
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merk posted:Pin Mom's real efforts yesterday are spent analyzing and discussing ltjrigirl, whom she never votes. Even today, here she is hanging out not voting someone that, to me, looks like her best scum read. I think, as ltjrigirl is saying, that Pin Mom is laying the groundwork to get the town to vote ltjrigirl and/or set herself up to make that vote later. That isn't how town play. You're right, I should be voting ltj ##vote ltj (I thought Meinberg was a fine vote because of lurkiness, but then I noticed that lt was being Weird about him and dropped the idea. I thought I had put more effort into trying to get Sam dunked than I actually did, my bad I should have been more active  )
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Aug 24, 2015 15:12
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merk posted:Ok, last post I promise: This seems like a really lazy/easy case to make. In fact, I would say I was waiting for the shoe to drop wrt Pmom. I feel like I'm beating the horse beyond death but merk comes out of this looking bad.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:13
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:This seems like a really lazy/easy case to make. In fact, I would say I was waiting for the shoe to drop wrt Pmom. I feel like I'm beating the horse beyond death but merk comes out of this looking bad. What do you think of Merk saying I was lying or 3rd party?
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Aug 24, 2015 15:15
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Hal Incandenza posted:I have looked over all of this diqnol and I don't think this is fake scum lumpen at all So he's just bad at the game, even when he isn't listing? -_- His points aren't honest logic and I don't feel like he's actually invested in finding scum.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:15
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merk posted:Read Fantastic Four, your game. merk posted:Real analysis there from Pin this is weird, my play in FF was awful
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Aug 24, 2015 15:15
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CCKeane posted:I really got nothing concrete. Merk's slapfight with Diqnol and his demand for more votes sounds like something I would expect a town Merk to post. Is this all you have on merk being town, bleane?
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Aug 24, 2015 15:16
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Is this all you have on merk being town, bleane? I'm off that train of thought.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:16
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That train of thought was spirit tracks, the Zelda game. Because I am a ghost.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:17
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BottleKnight posted:I agree with merk's case. PMom reads to me as someone who is dissatisfied with their scumteam. ##vote PMom
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Aug 24, 2015 15:17
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QuoProQuid posted:Yes, this is the beginning of an argument! Your earlier argument of "let's lynch Meinberg regardless of alignment. It wouldn't be that bad for the town anyway" is not at all convincing and more than a little suspicious. Are you scum hunting or trying to look busy? Odd.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:18
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merk posted:Going back, what was this snipe? Please click the first post to see the actual snipe - I cant' nest quote. I was rolling my eyes at Diq shifting the discussion to a semantic point, and provided counter-examples of him using words the way he was saying was annoying?
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Aug 24, 2015 15:21
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merk posted:To be a bit more clear, Lumpen plays a character, and, therefore, all of his posts are fake. Because of this place style, it is very difficult to get a tone read on him. This is also why Lumpenis periodically lynched on day one regardless of his alignment. I believe that Lumpen's alignment will be more easy to determine when we see some of the results of his casework. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm A town post from merk.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:22
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TMMadman posted:It seems like the merk/diqnol dispute is still going on a bit, but it doesn't look like it's going to dominate the day. I was leaning towards diqnol as scum yesterday but he was a lot better as the deadline approached so he's back to neutral for me. Even with my suspicion rising a bit on her, I'm a little curious about QPQ jumping on ljtrigirl. He makes some decent points, but I'm not sure I agree with all of them so it's something I'm going to be watching. I'd like to see what Kashuno has to say about QPQ given the masonry with Rarity. Why would I go from scum to not scum? He says my posting was better so I'm back to neutral, but otoh my earlier content didn't change so...what did? I'll tell you what did. Public opinion. I was nicer. That's it.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:27
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merk posted:I still think Diqnol's likely scum, but I'm still a little hesitant based on what I said yesterday about his pride potentially requiring him to make that huge case... and there is nothing new there to mine out. I would definitely vote Diqnol. Is it possible that your pride is blocking your read of me?
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Aug 24, 2015 15:29
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I'm going to refer the thread to the exchange where lj, apparently, decided that I'm scum.ljtrigirl posted:Slight evil lean on Keane and whoever that easy mislynch is, evil leans on Lumpen and the other K guy with the Garbage Dick avatar. Consider my meta on Lumpen real. Pinterest Mom posted:Is he an easy misdunk or is he bad ljtrigirl posted:Add Pinterest Mom to the list of possible evils. It is absolutely completely implausible that someone takes that exchange and sincerely concludes that I'm scum, especially to the extent and virulence that lj has.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:30
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Lumpen posted:TNL, manipulative but not persuasive means that Diqnol was using manipulative language, in my opinion, and trying to move votes through appeals to emotion and trying to "act really really sure" and "post lots of words", but his arguments struck me as insincere and hollow, and delived in an overblown way. I think I'm going to vote for Lumpen today but after this wrap up I'll give him a full read-through and see if it fits together. As of right now I have many memories of individual pings.
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Aug 24, 2015 15:30
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:So he's just bad at the game, even when he isn't listing? -_- Yes, after TNL's points I started to doubt my original read and I am not as convinced he's town. I do think he's a bit more... blustery usually when he's scum but he's not following through and expanding on his points in a very town way. I'm open to voting him or merk at this point.
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Okay I went back and re-read a bunch of stuff, and found I needed to reconsider some of my assumptions and revise reads. I had forgotten that Bottle Knight was one of the ones Ecco responded to, and I think that likely indicates he's Town, which led me to reconsider my hypothesis of Diqnol/BottleKnight as Scumbuddies. I have gotten into at least one massive Thunderdome-level slapfight with TNL in the past when each of us was sure the other was Scum and neither were right. Last night's posting left me feeling deja vu, and in the end I feel TNL's posting has seemed sincere. He's wrong about my alignment, but I realized he may be right that I was on the wrong track, and that led me to look back more. I got an early Town read on merk that I think has colored my perception of the game, and on re-read I think I might have been wrong. His hedging post about my "character" rubbed me really wrong and the more I think about it the more I see it as disingenuous. Looking over his posts again, I think I was wrong and he's worthy of suspicion. That also led me to look again at Diqnol's original case on merk, and I think it makes more sense. I still really don't like the overemoting posts from Diqnol when "he had a fight IRL" and he said to merk "You. Are. Going. Down.", but I can kind of buy it, I guess. Ugh, still comes off really fake but maybe not Scum fake after all. Anyway in making this List I have come to face that my hypothesis didn't fit as well as I thought. I looked at Pinterest Mom more closely than I had before and I feel he's Scummy. I agree with ljtrigirl, and I see possible Scum connections between Pinterest Mom and Meinberg. (Distancing and then defending). I think PM would be a good lynch today. EXAKT Science has been a huge lurker and in their few posts has defended PM and Meinberg, could be a Scumbuddy. CCKeane is really playing up his "ghost" PR over anything else. I don't see him as likely Town and would lynch him. I have pretty confident Town feelings about QPQ and ljtrigirl, and I think the Confirmed Masons claim from Rarity and Kashuno is entirely believable. These are my most accurate current reads. I highly encourage and challenge everyone to make their own List.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ SUPPOSABLY SCUMMY ##unvote Diqnol ##Vote Pinterest Mom
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Aug 24, 2015 16:16
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This is the first you've mentioned Meinberg, why is he so high on your list? You haven't really explained.
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Aug 24, 2015 16:28
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CCKeane posted:What do you think of Merk saying I was lying or 3rd party? I was busy at work for a bit so I didn't even fully finish my reread but as memory serves merk concluded you must be lying because you're listed on votefinder and that the odd thing was that he came to the conclusion you were 3p from that, right? It's definitely a weird call but I'm not sure if it's scummy weird. It's not a leap of logic I'd have made, I'll say that. btw I was planning to call you out on that in a game day or two because I agree with him, you can vote, but you lose powers possibly if you do or are scum pulling a spooky gambit and see no reason you have to be confronted now.
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Aug 24, 2015 16:31
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Hey Lumpen just an FYI being overemotional doesn't make me fake, some people do in fact feel things
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Aug 24, 2015 16:32
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Aug 24, 2015 16:33
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Hey Lumpen just an FYI being overemotional doesn't make me fake, some people do in fact feel things I still feel hurt that I never got that letter Diqnol 
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:I was busy at work for a bit so I didn't even fully finish my reread but as memory serves merk concluded you must be lying because you're listed on votefinder and that the odd thing was that he came to the conclusion you were 3p from that, right? It's definitely a weird call but I'm not sure if it's scummy weird. It's not a leap of logic I'd have made, I'll say that. I am shocked, shocked that you would accuse me of such a thing.
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Aug 24, 2015 16:34
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Hal Incandenza posted:I still feel hurt that I never got that letter Diqnol lmao how do I keep forgetting about this I don't even know what the letter was to be about anymore
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Aug 24, 2015 16:39
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CCKeane posted:Not really, and certainly not as a one off vote. Gamer said "TMMadman, I am voting you, I, town, am voting you, and only you have the power to remove my (town vote)" and then cast a ballot with a flourish. CCKeane posted:I mean "OoooooOooooOoooo" *rattles your furniture* Suggests he's town btw
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Pinterest Mom posted:This is the first you've mentioned Meinberg, why is he so high on your list? You haven't really explained. You haven't commented on EXAKT, either. Are we meant to understand that your top three scum reads are me, plus two people you've decided are scum because they're linked to me?
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Suggests he's town btw Oh yes, I am not saying Keane is scummy, just that he's having a lark (all the cool kids still say "having a lark" right?)
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