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TMMadman posted:Alright, after a bit of re-reading, I'm not seeing too much on Lumpen. There's a few minor pings and I'm not sure I like his focus on Diqnol. There might be something there, but I don't know his meta so I can't use that to make a call. Right now, I'm pretty neutral on him and I'll just have to pay attention to his actions through the day. Lumpen, aside from Diqnol, who else do you think we should be looking at today and why? I don't want a diary for the why, just a short simple sentence will do for now. Might be a good target for the day. You're surprised that I'm still suspicious of Lumpen despite the fact that he wasn't scum in my dream about the game? Seriously? Dude. It was dream. What points that QPQ made did you agree with?
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Lumpen posted:Would you clarify whether this is an IRL intuition anecdote or a softclaim of an in-game night action result? It was a dream. I was sleeping.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:06
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SirSamVimes posted:I'm pleased to see that we're getting some more close looks at PMom. Even though ljtri's case on her feels off enough that it's making me question my own, having merk push it too makes it seem a bit more legitimate. What do you mean my case feels off? What do you see as the primary differences between my case and yours/merks?
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Aug 24, 2015 19:07
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EXAKT Science posted:you seem awfully confused about what you do and don't like. you don't seem to have much conviction anything except pmom's scumminess, and you've acted that way since the beginning of the game. That's not at all true. Like even a little bit.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:08
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EXAKT Science posted:okay not entirely, you also have a scumread on meinberg, sorry. And Merk and Lumpen, possibly Keane and QPQ. What have your contributions been?
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Aug 24, 2015 19:09
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QuoProQuid posted:Except its not a policy lynch and, even if it was, girl's newbie status should raise the question as to why she has a policy already formed regarding Meinberg. It also raises the question why she isn't trying to lynch other players that are "hard to read." In the quote that post is referring to (1), girl's explicit justification for a Mein lynch is that she thinks he might be scummy (a suspicion that she doesn't explain in any detail until called out on it (2))) and because it is better to mislynch early than it is to mislynch late (3). I cannot even begin to articulate how out of wack this latter reason is and how newbie anti-town it appears. In the event that Meinberg is lynched and flips town, girl seems to shrug her shoulders and say, "Welp, I'm glad we got that out of the way. Meinberg was a distraction anyways (4)." No. Nonononono. I think Meinberg is scum. I'm not trying to just blatantly policy lynch him. He was and continues to be a ping. My point is that, even if he is good, I think lynching him is a good idea because it'll probably happen at some point, and I'd rather do it earlier where I can get information from it than later.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:12
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ljtrigirl posted:And Merk and Lumpen, possibly Keane and QPQ. You're being silly, now that Exakt's here he's putting in a good effort and I don't see how you're not seeing that.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:13
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Kashuno posted:QPQ, your posting really rubs me the wrong way. It feels like extremely weak "scumhunting" that doesn't have much substance, and it really bothers me. Until this: But it's not. At all. It's a blatant misrepresentation of my and my stance on Meinberg. It's cherrypicking the parts that I've said to make me look bad.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:13
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Pinterest Mom posted:You're right, I should be voting ltj Finally. Bring it.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:14
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Pinterest Mom posted:I'm going to refer the thread to the exchange where lj, apparently, decided that I'm scum. That's total bullshit. I made a joke about Meinbeirg apparently being an easy mislynch, and you lasered in on it without paying attention to the context to throw shade at me.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:15
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Lumpen- Please explain the QPQ top town read because I'm not seeing it.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:16
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ljtrigirl posted:But it's not. At all. It's a blatant misrepresentation of my and my stance on Meinberg. It's cherrypicking the parts that I've said to make me look bad. To be clear, QPQ's case isn't really influencing me to rethink my stance on you
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Aug 24, 2015 19:17
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Rarity posted:I'm starting to think Lumpen's approach to this game is to see how much stupid poo poo he can get away with saying without being lynched Bahahaha. That was kind of my reaction. I like you.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:17
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Ok, I've come round on ljtrigirl being town. Her posts are too erratic and inconsistent, if she were scum she'd be covering her rear end much more.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:18
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Rarity posted:You're being silly, now that Exakt's here he's putting in a good effort and I don't see how you're not seeing that. I sort of agree having seen his posts now. At the time that I wrote this, he'd basically not shown up yesterday and then called me out for not having reads when it wasn't at all true. Neutral(+). It's a lot easier for scum to sound good when they only occasionally participate.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:19
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Rarity posted:Ok, I've come round on ljtrigirl being town. Her posts are too erratic and inconsistent, if she were scum she'd be covering her rear end much more. I don't even get this. I feel like I've been really consistent.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:20
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ljtrigirl posted:I don't even get this. I feel like I've been really consistent. I mean erratic in an emotive sense. Your posts are very amped up and hyper, which leads to you not explaining yourself well or not saying everything I think you meant to say which makes it look like you're adding to your thought process after the fact. If you were scum you'd be watching the slip ups much more, leading to a more restrained game.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:26
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Rarity posted:I mean erratic in an emotive sense. Your posts are very amped up and hyper, which leads to you not explaining yourself well or not saying everything I think you meant to say which makes it look like you're adding to your thought process after the fact. If you were scum you'd be watching the slip ups much more, leading to a more restrained game. Not necessarily. Have you ever seen me play scum? We don't know how scum play on other sites ie: what they can and cannot get away with easily.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:27
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Not necessarily. Have you ever seen me play scum? We don't know how scum play on other sites ie: what they can and cannot get away with easily. This is a fair point but I don't think it is necessarily 100% accurate. Have do have scum tells that we as a community may be more sensitive too, but I do think scummy behavior is scummy behavior regardless, so I'm more inclined to think that Rarity's read is valid in this case. I think where JT girl's experience offsite is more relevant is how she is reacting to the meta we have all developed as a relatively insular community. Also, *rattles chains*
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Aug 24, 2015 19:31
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Rarity posted:I mean erratic in an emotive sense. Your posts are very amped up and hyper, which leads to you not explaining yourself well or not saying everything I think you meant to say which makes it look like you're adding to your thought process after the fact. If you were scum you'd be watching the slip ups much more, leading to a more restrained game. Nah. That's just how I am. I'm definitely one of those "say what I think and assume that everyone hears what I think I'm saying" kind of people.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:31
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Not necessarily. Have you ever seen me play scum? I have, I wouldn't say what I just said about you. You make a good point about maybe she can get away with more on other sites but that's my read on trigirl as a mafia player.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:32
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Aug 24, 2015 19:32
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EXAKT Science posted:Hey have you done any catching up yet? I haven't but I have read all the posts after that one. I like ljr for town for the same reasons Rarity does and that's all rn
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Aug 24, 2015 19:33
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ljtrigirl posted:Nah. That's just how I am. I'm definitely one of those "say what I think and assume that everyone hears what I think I'm saying" kind of people. I can't believe you put pipeapple on pizza shaking my head.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:33
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ljtrigirl posted:Nah. That's just how I am. I'm definitely one of those "say what I think and assume that everyone hears what I think I'm saying" kind of people. I also like that she's challenging my town read!
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Aug 24, 2015 19:33
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CCKeane posted:I can't believe you put pipeapple on pizza shaking my head. AH I KNEW I KNEW YOU FROM SOMEWHERE TOO. You and Vimes, right? Or am I just crazy about that?
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Aug 24, 2015 19:34
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Rarity posted:I also like that she's challenging my town read! I can't wait to be scum with you in a game. Lol.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:34
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ljtrigirl posted:I can't wait to be scum with you in a game. Lol. Oh dude I'm awesome as scum you don't even know
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Aug 24, 2015 19:35
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Rarity is not good at mafia, don't let her fool ya
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Aug 24, 2015 19:36
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CCKeane posted:Hey Merk I'm going to be aggressive on this point until you answer me. If you're scum, you're lying about not having a vote. If you actually don't have a vote, you're third party. That's what my first post said.
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Rarity posted:TM this was a terrible post that rightly got called out. I understand wanting to comment on major happenings but why didn't you add any of your own scum reads? Rarity posted:I don't like this post at all. TM isn't ranking the people he feels are strong scum reads, he's ranking a bunch of people who he's mostly just described as "neutral". However, if looked at in isolation it gives the impression that he's ranking scum reads. It allows him to point to either post in isolation and say "look, I didn't think they were scummy" and "hey, I've been suspicious of them for a while". Taking his previous post into account, TM's suddenly shot onto my radar. Alright, since I'm on standby now I have a few minutes to try and make and actual post. I've been over this before, but it's just the way I post/play and I'm not going to apologize for it. I understand that a post with mostly neutral reads can be scummy, but I will take that heat. I do not believe that every single post, even read posts, needs to contain scum reads. I freely acknowledge that I tend to play and look at the game in an odd fashion and it's often going to make me look weird. I looked at 1 person you wanted me to look at, two people that were dominating the discussion at the time, the two people who dominated the discussion most of D1 and then including QPQ because he been pinging me and he also is involved between PMom/ljtrigirl. It would have seemed out of place if I ended the post with something like 'oh btw, these other people are totally scummy'. You should also notice (and nobody that called me out on that post has done so), that I ended up posting a case against QPQ a short while after I made that post and I think it's a decent one. Also, I would think that people would get the implication that if I think someone is a good target for the day then it means I'm leaning scum for them.
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Rarity posted:Oh dude I'm awesome as scum you don't even know Hahaha. I think it's be really fun. I actually love being scum in PBF games (not video ones) or Aux evils in werewolf (not so much wolves).
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Aug 24, 2015 19:37
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merk posted:If you're scum, you're lying about not having a vote. If you actually don't have a vote, you're third party. That's what my first post said. You discount the possibility of a post restriction for a power role huh
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Aug 24, 2015 19:38
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Rarity is not good at mafia, don't let her fool ya Don't kill the dream 
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Aug 24, 2015 19:39
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:You discount the possibility of a post restriction for a power role huh Ecco would not remove a town or scum vote. I am very confident of that. That cuts against the core of mafia.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:40
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I'm out all week during the business day working. Gotta get back.
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ljtrigirl posted:AH I KNEW I KNEW YOU FROM SOMEWHERE TOO. Nope, I think you might just be crazy about that
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Aug 24, 2015 19:45
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CCKeane posted:Nope, I think you might just be crazy about that Darn. I could swear I know him from somewhere though.
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Aug 24, 2015 19:47
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merk posted:If you're scum, you're lying about not having a vote. If you actually don't have a vote, you're third party. That's what my first post said. Why can't I be town and not have a vote?
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