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Sep 1, 2015 13:31
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Rarity posted:How come we still have a second kill then? No clue.
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Sep 1, 2015 13:36
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Rarity posted:Why would anyone think this? Everyone would expect you to vig PMom, surely? I was clear about the fact that I was not going to vig PMom.
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Sep 1, 2015 13:37
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Lumpen posted:I Roleblocked ljtrigirl with a 1-shot Roleblock item "boards and nails and instructions for using them" that I received N2. Bahahaha. So, Lumpen thought I was going to shoot him.
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Sep 1, 2015 13:37
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QuoProQuid posted:Could you explain your logic here? Why would you try to murder Lumpen or myself during the night, given that your most clear read seems to be on PMom? Dude. Seriously? Because PMom is scum and they probably have the bus driver, especially if you believe TMM is scum. Lumpen was the other person I've thought was scum since D1. I shot you because your case on me and then "oh wait, she's claimed something" was hella fake, and you've been pretty sketchy all game.
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Sep 1, 2015 13:39
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TMM visited keane last night. He was the only one. That is what using the coin on keane told me. Also, I give out the boards. I gave it to QPQ n1, but I chose kashuno n2, which is why I thought the hammer was the pick up for it. This makes me confused.
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Sep 1, 2015 13:48
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Oh, also I've returned from the frigid northland to the sweltering southlands, and thus have a computer and other such things. I will do a reread tomorrow night after work. For now ##vote TMM
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Sep 1, 2015 13:49
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ljtrigirl posted:Dude. Seriously? Because PMom is scum and they probably have the bus driver, especially if you believe TMM is scum. The very last thing that happened yesterday was me taunting you over your not being able to vig me last night!
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Sep 1, 2015 13:53
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ljtrigirl posted:Bahahaha. So, Lumpen thought I was going to shoot him.
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Sep 1, 2015 14:53
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Mithross posted:TMM visited keane last night. He was the only one. That is what using the coin on keane told me. ##vote TMM
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Sep 1, 2015 14:55
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##unvote ##vote tmm
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Sep 1, 2015 15:02
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I'm the cop. The tiger statue from my posted description is the item. The tiger changes from a sleeping tiger to a roaring tiger in the presence of evil. I copped ljtrigirl on N1 as town because she is new and was swinging around, Samfu on N2 as town because he was the second vote and with merk flipping town I wanted to make sure we didn't let scum off the hook and tried to cop Keane because of the ghost thing on N3
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Sep 1, 2015 15:25
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Mithross posted:My role works the same, although I give out the hammers. Mithross posted:Also, I give out the boards. I gave it to QPQ n1, but I chose kashuno n2, which is why I thought the hammer was the pick up for it. This makes me confused. Ljtrigirl, can you shed some light? Was that what you got when you picked up Kashuno's dropped "hammer"?
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Sep 1, 2015 15:28
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Mithross posted:TMM visited keane last night. He was the only one. That is what using the coin on keane told me. The hammer said it coupled with boards and nails to make a roleblock.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:33
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TMMadman posted:I'm the cop. The tiger statue from my posted description is the item. The tiger changes from a sleeping tiger to a roaring tiger in the presence of evil. I call bullshit. Let me find the post. I was pissed at you at one point on D2 because you said something about me maybe being scum and I'd given you my N1 spear.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:34
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Lumpen posted:This confuses me too, because the description I got for the roleblock said nothing about hammers. It said boards and nails and instructions for how to use them and specified it was a 1-shot roleblock, and that matches QPQ's testimony too, right? It said if you put a hammer with some boards, you get a roleblock at night. That's why I said something about finding the other part or not being able to use it or something.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:35
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TMMadman posted:Alright, after a bit of re-reading, I'm not seeing too much on Lumpen. There's a few minor pings and I'm not sure I like his focus on Diqnol. There might be something there, but I don't know his meta so I can't use that to make a call. Right now, I'm pretty neutral on him and I'll just have to pay attention to his actions through the day. Lumpen, aside from Diqnol, who else do you think we should be looking at today and why? I don't want a diary for the why, just a short simple sentence will do for now. Might be a good target for the day. Here. No way a cop with an N1 green on me says I dropped down in their reads.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:37
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yeah what lj said ##vote TMM
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Sep 1, 2015 15:38
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ljtrigirl posted:Here. No way a cop with an N1 green on me says I dropped down in their reads. Yeah, I just found that post on my phone and was about to quote it  . That's not consistent with a N1 town on you.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:38
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I'm not going to switch to TMM yet. Lumpen- Why do you think QPQ is towny?
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Sep 1, 2015 15:41
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TMMadman posted:I'm not sure what to think of the QPQ moving to and fro on Samfu. It could be scumbuddy covering for scumbuddy again, but it seems too obvious and therefore I'm more inclined to lean town for Samfu, but for now I'll put him in the 4th spot on my list. Someone with a town cop result on Samfu, allegedly.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:41
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Like, come on. I've been fake cleared probably close to three times as often as I've been real cleared. I know what I real clear looks like. That being said, I don't know that I want to immediately lynch him because it immediately moves us into night with no more discussion time.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:43
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Yeah I cast some shade her way because I wanted to see if anyone would try to build a bad case on her. If you keep reading i call all the cases against her bullshit. I never voted her and I never would have voted for her. If she had been in any danger I would have claimed at that point.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:46
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Two more on TMM, and it's night, so if people could hold off for a bit, I'd appreciate it. I really want to understand why people are reading QPQ as town because that's a read I don't get at all.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:47
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TMMadman posted:Yeah I cast some shade her way because I wanted to see if anyone would try to build a bad case on her. If you keep reading i call all the cases against her bullshit. Plenty of people have built bad cases on me. I was LL for a while on D2. And you didn't really defend me at all or try to push any of them the next day. Nope. Nope nope nope.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:47
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Also calling bullshit on TMM. Just did a reread and he was pushing Hal D1 and QPQ on D2 and D3. If he had the ability to investigate and was Town he would have checked them. his claimed targets don't add up. Scum caught, let's wrap this up.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:50
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Lumpen posted:Also calling bullshit on TMM. Just did a reread and he was pushing Hal D1 and QPQ on D2 and D3. If he had the ability to investigate and was Town he would have checked them. his claimed targets don't add up. Why do you think QPQ is town?
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Sep 1, 2015 16:03
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ljtrigirl posted:Why do you think QPQ is town? Assuming TMM flips Scum, their D3 interactions strongly imply QPQ is likely Town. He also just claimed it was him who passed me a Roleblock N2, and a I can't see any reason a Scum would pass a Roleblock off to a Townie. I think he has been posting sincerely and Ive had a Town read on him since D1.
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Sep 1, 2015 16:08
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ljtrigirl posted:Plenty of people have built bad cases on me. I was LL for a while on D2. And you didn't really defend me at all or try to push any of them the next day. You had 4 votes on you during D2 and all of them were early. You were never in danger of being lynched. The 4 votes were diqnol, QPQ, PMom and FV. The only one I haven't really expressed suspicion about is FV. I told you all I don't play this game the way others play. I try to use my investigations in a way that would help town, so I often go after targets that I'm not talking about in the thread.
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Sep 1, 2015 16:11
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TMMadman posted:That was a pretty fast grab there SamV. You better be on the up and up. Btw, this is my cop breadcrumb. I was going to cop SSV on N1, but when I saw the double vote on D1 I figured he was either a town double voter or the pearl was the cause. I probably still should have copped him, but wanted to check the new person on the off chance of newbie scum since she would likely get a couple of leeway days just from being new to the site.
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Sep 1, 2015 16:38
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ljtrigirl posted:It said if you put a hammer with some boards, you get a roleblock at night. That's why I said something about finding the other part or not being able to use it or something. QPQ, what information did you have? Anything about needing another part? Mithross, can you clarify? If there were multiple parts needed and you gave them to different people N1 and N2? You gave boards to QPQ N1 and then claimed on D3 that "I give out hammers"? Something doesn't seem right in these claims somewhere.
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Sep 1, 2015 16:51
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Ljtrigirl, you said on D3 that you gave TMM a harpoon N1. Can you explain why you would choose to hand TMM a vig over every other person in the thread at that time? I don't remember you saying he was Town, or agreeing with his reads, and he doesn't seem like a particularly wise choice at all (especially if he now flips Scum). Just curious about your train of thought. And wondering about Diqnol's different-flavor-maybe speargun now that he flipped Survivor... Is there even a busdriver? How much time are you trying to buy TMM, ljtrigirl? Why are you loudly calling bullshit but hesitant to vote him?
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Sep 1, 2015 17:01
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TMMadman posted:Btw, this is my cop breadcrumb. I was going to cop SSV on N1, but when I saw the double vote on D1 I figured he was either a town double voter or the pearl was the cause. I probably still should have copped him, but wanted to check the new person on the off chance of newbie scum since she would likely get a couple of leeway days just from being new to the site. THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY A COP BREADCRUMB HOW ARE YOU SO TERRIBLE AT THIS
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Sep 1, 2015 17:33
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Rarity posted:THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY A COP BREADCRUMB HOW ARE YOU SO TERRIBLE AT THIS What do you expect me to put a  smilie after it or something? I spent a lot of time in my 20s around cops between a couple of jobs and they liked to use the phrase 'on the up and up'. It's probably just a local thing but it stuck in my mind so I used it. The last time I was a cop my breadcrumb was a joke about fishing just for the halibut.
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Sep 1, 2015 17:41
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So here's a track of all the claims we've had regarding items Diqnol: Received harpoon on N1 (unconfirmed but breadcrumbed but never dropped) Trigirl: Gave TM a harpoon on N1 and Kash a harpoon on N2 (unconfirmed) Mithross: Gave board/nails to QPQ on N1 and hammer to Kash on N2 (confirmed by QPQ/in thread) QPQ: Passed board/nails on (specifically to Lumpen?) on N2 Lumpen: Received board/nails on N2 and used (without hammer?) on trigirl on N3 (confirmed by trigirl) Trigirl: Blocked on N3 (confirmed by Lumpen) TM: Bullshit cop claim (unconfirmed) Mithross: Tracked TM to Keane on N3 with the coin (unconfirmed) So in regards to this roleblock thing I'd say there's only two possibilities that suit Occam's Razor: either Scumpen receives the board/nails, doesn't realise they need a hammer and lets the scum RB block trigirl while he claims or trigirl is bullshitting the need for the items to combine. Therefore, here are my questions: 1. QPQ, when you received the board/nails did they say they needed another item? 2. Mithross, full claim please. 3. Whoever originally had the coin should consider claiming as well 4. TM, why are you bad at setting up fake claims? I have 2 votes ready for TM as soon as these are answered (ok, I'm not too fussed about number 4 )
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Sep 1, 2015 17:57
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TMMadman posted:What do you expect me to put a The whole point of a breadcrumb is OTHER PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IT IS. Like, if you're actually being legit then you've pretty much lost this game for town cause of this. There is no way that claim is going to get you out of a lynch. Considering what I can do with the pearl, I doubt there even is a cop in this game. Relating to this, I'm pretty much convinced TM is the SK cause I imagine the scum team would have already been thinking about and setting up their claims
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Sep 1, 2015 18:04
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I agree that TMM's claim should be totally dismissed and he should be immediately lynched, there's no way he's a Cop and his claimed targets make no sense at all. There's nothing more obvious than a Watcher who unambiguously sees one visitor to the nightkill. Keene's dead, only TMM visited, case closed. Nothing else can explain it that I can think of.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:10
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You've never played in a game with a ninja?
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Sep 1, 2015 18:11
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Lumpen posted:Why do you think he isn't? a) His case on me and then "Oops. I forgot her claim" seemed super fake. b) He's been super present, but I have a hard time remembering any real stances he's taken. He just feels like he's flitting in and out, constantly around but only putting out enough real content to not get lynched.
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Lumpen posted:Ljtrigirl, you said on D3 that you gave TMM a harpoon N1. Can you explain why you would choose to hand TMM a vig over every other person in the thread at that time? I mean, he was my top town read on D1. I said that several times. I actually almost gave it to Rarity, but I was afraid she'd shoot me.
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