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HD DAD posted:Snake man: good concept, so obviously a segway. Myself thought he was on roller skates; there's a little too much side to side swaying (but then again, I'm no Segway expert). As a consequence I thought initially he was going to turn out to be some kind of camp or comedy character
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Well have we had a villain who rolls around on 60's roller skates like a drive in employee?
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Sep 23, 2015 05:36
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M_Gargantua posted:Well have we had a villain who rolls around on 60's roller skates like a drive in employee? Ah yes, the Terrible Zodin.
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Sep 23, 2015 05:40
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Rhyno posted:No, it was bad. A shame because Capaldi and Gomez are such a delight to watch together. Moffat really needs to go. Maybe I'm just so used to Moffat making GBS threads in his hand and smearing it all over the tv screen, but Gomez and Capaldi were enough for me to rate this episode as mediocre. Moffat's done way, way worse. The previous season premiere was so terrible, I nearly wrote off Capaldi's entire run before it even aired.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Maybe I'm just so used to Moffat making GBS threads in his hand and smearing it all over the tv screen, but Gomez and Capaldi were enough for me to rate this episode as mediocre. Moffat's done way, way worse. The previous season premiere was so terrible, I nearly wrote off Capaldi's entire run before it even aired. Last season was so terrible that for the first time in New Who I didn't rush to watch the new episode. I honestly afraid it would be worse than what did air.
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I thought last season was really drat good (outside of one pretty bad episode and one really quite awful one), and a big step up from the fractured feel that season 7 (season 6 was worse in that regard but including some astonishingly good episodes to make up for it). This is Moffat's 5th season and I'm still happy with the overall quality of his work, I might be eager for a replacement if I felt there was somebody waiting in the wings who could clearly do as good if not a better job than him. The closest person is Mark Gatiss, and I think he'd probably be likely to just produce a Moffat-style production anyway given their close ties and co-showrunner status on Sherlock.
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That's the thing with "Moffat needs to go," I've never seen anyone follow that statement up with "and be replaced by:"
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2house2fly posted:That's the thing with "Moffat needs to go," I've never seen anyone follow that statement up with "and be replaced by:" Toby Whithouse is a plausible suggestion.
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Sep 23, 2015 06:15
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2house2fly posted:That's the thing with "Moffat needs to go," I've never seen anyone follow that statement up with "and be replaced by:" It doesn't have to be anyone currently involved in the show. I'd be happy with Joss Whedon at this point.
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Sep 23, 2015 06:17
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2house2fly posted:That's the thing with "Moffat needs to go," I've never seen anyone follow that statement up with "and be replaced by:" Didn't RTD "need to go" too? And JNT before him?
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Sep 23, 2015 06:18
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RunAndGun posted:Didn't RTD "need to go" too? And JNT before him? Let's be fair JNT wanted to go There just wasn't anyone to replace him
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Sep 23, 2015 06:22
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RunAndGun posted:Didn't RTD "need to go" too? And JNT before him? New blood is good in general. I bet Gatiss, for instance, has a great idea for a new tone and theme that would be really cool and fitting given his involvement in the show for so long. And sure, he'll probably run his every success into the ground in a couple years, but that's when you get someone else in. Moffat wrote some incredible Doctor Who. But he's largely lost it. His best ideas are out there, and now he's just flailing. I'd bet we're going to get some variation on the general idea in Christmas Carol where the Doctor changes the present by messing with the villain's past, but on a ridiculous scale with all the Daleks and stuff involved. It'll probably be interesting, but it won't be as fresh as when he first did it, (forget that it never really made any sense, it was a neat idea) and it'll only be one idea in a pile of a billion he's throwing at the wall.
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Rhyno posted:It doesn't have to be anyone currently involved in the show. I'd be happy with Joss Whedon at this point. Look, I'm fairly unhappy with Moffat, too, but let's not get unreasonable and say things we can't take back.
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I still hold that Moffat's run would be overall improved if he wasn't juggling Sherlock as well.
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Vanderdeath posted:Look, I'm fairly unhappy with Moffat, too, but let's not get unreasonable and say things we can't take back. I STAND BY MY STATEMENT. Edit: I mean come on, it's not like it could be worse than the loving tree episode. Rhyno fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Sep 23, 2015 |
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Sep 23, 2015 06:52
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Rhyno posted:Edit: I mean come on, it's not like it could be worse than the loving tree episode. The worst part is that at this point, it's now possible to ask which loving tree episode.
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Eiba posted:New blood is good in general. I bet Gatiss, for instance, has a great idea for a new tone and theme that would be really cool and fitting given his involvement in the show for so long. I always imagine Gatiss's take on the series would be more quiet and thoughtful stories, more akin to Classic Who, which would probably suit Capaldi down to the ground too.
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Whoever the show runner is needs to put in as many scenes possible with Capaldi running, as Capaldi's run is a great joy.
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Sep 23, 2015 10:53
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Mark Gatiss, Toby Whithouse, Chris Chibnall, Nicholas Briggs...there a lot of options out there when Moffat steps down.
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CobiWann posted:Mark Gatiss, Toby Whithouse, Chris Chibnall, Nicholas Briggs...there a lot of options out there when Moffat steps down. Neil Cross as well.
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Sep 23, 2015 11:27
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2house2fly posted:That's the thing with "Moffat needs to go," I've never seen anyone follow that statement up with "and be replaced by:" MEEEEEEEE (Or, more accurately, a trip back to Producer/Script Editor land because I don't think it's any coincidence that the quality of the scripts supplied by the show runner absolutely nosedived over their runs) RunAndGun posted:Didn't RTD "need to go" too? And JNT before him? When my ratings list is finally finished there's a big chance that the bottom 3 rated producers will be Nathan-Turner, Davies and Moffat. In fact I think it's almost guaranteed at this point.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:MEEEEEEEE Strictly as a Producer though Davies was loving amazing.
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PriorMarcus posted:If this really was like a RTD script there definitely would've been a joke about his brother being Colony Narrf - who'd be gay. "Lots of planets have a Narrf!" CobiWann posted:Mark Gatiss, Toby Whithouse, Chris Chibnall, Nicholas Briggs...there a lot of options out there when Moffat steps down. Any of these would be acceptable to me, especially Nick Briggs, who I maintain is one of the best showrunners in Doctor Who already. I just love the fact that the show is by/for/and of the fans at this point and I don't want to lose that with some non or casual fan coming in who thinks
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Rhyno posted:It doesn't have to be anyone currently involved in the show. I'd be happy with Joss Whedon at this point. The Doctor regenerates into a quipping half Asian (by name only) girl with Kung Fu Powers.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:MEEEEEEEE Agreed. People just throw out writers that have done good stories as possible showrunners with no idea at all if they are qualified to do the job. Writing for a show is completely different to managing the shows output.
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EatinCake posted:It's just really eye-rolling when someone pulls them aside with: "the prime minister's on the phone and they want you!" and the character just smirks like they're off to work again. I don't really understand why that sort of stuff is even in the show- it almost always drags and is seldom interesting. Well, you nailed something that was bothering me about the episode but I couldn't quite articulate. It's boring when the supposed audience surrogate gets the Mary Sue Super Agent treatment. It's boring when nothing feels grounded in reality. It's boring when dudes can blow the gently caress up a billion times and just be OK like nothing happened. There are no stakes anymore and nothing has any meaning. So Clara just got vapourized by the Daleks? Big loving deal, she obviously isn't dead and it'll all be technobabbled away in five seconds this weekend. Add to this the general over-hectic tempo, the rapid and dramatic mood swings and all the other issues and I did not care for the episode at all. Like you said, there were lots of cool little ideas, but the whole thing didn't come close to coming together.
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If you need to find the Doctor, who do you call to help you if not his best friend who he goes places with all the time?
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2house2fly posted:If you need to find the Doctor, who do you call to help you if not his best friend who he goes places with all the time? Or even better, just start working on some convoluted nefarious plot and he'll turn up all on his own. Dalek Sec: "Okay, what if we invert the flow of time in a pocket universe and use that to de-evolve all the birds in the zoo into raptors and then give them all null-space dimensional disruptors which allow them to teleport to Earth ..." Dr Who runs in: ">puff puff< Sorry I'm late, what'd I miss?"
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CobiWann posted:Mark Gatiss, Toby Whithouse, Chris Chibnall, Nicholas Briggs...there a lot of options out there when Moffat steps down. While Nick Briggs is obviously never going to be considered for television anyway, I don't think he'd want the job. He's never had to deal nationwide ratings, a food chain of producers and executives, and so on (not to mention all the additional hassles that result from combining the head writer and producer roles, such as shooting budgets, set requirements, rubber spiders, etc.) I love to call him "the luckiest fan of all time" because, unlike other lifers-in-charge (RTD, GMS and JNT), he's completely build his own little niche with fewer people to please. He doesn't need to worry about future career in television, let alone burnout. Now, getting a few episodes written by him would be a different story, although something like Creatures of Beauty would probably melt a lot of viewers' brains. 
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2house2fly posted:If you need to find the Doctor, who do you call to help you if not his best friend who he goes places with all the time? The trouble is that the more nods you make to how things "would really work" the more the completely unrealistic things* that you don't address become problems for the audience. *Not the "time travelling man in a box fighting condiment containers" sense of unrealistic, the down to earth stuff.
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Gatiss is the obvious choice. Working with Moffat on both shows, he's likely familiar with the production process and hassles. Taking a step back may actually improve his episodes. Or he could be just as bad as Moffat, with all the same issues. Who knows? 
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Mr Beens posted:Agreed. People just throw out writers that have done good stories as possible showrunners with no idea at all if they are qualified to do the job. Writing for a show is completely different to managing the shows output. Gatiss, Whithouse, Cross, Chibnall etc have all been showrunners before, but it's a good point.
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2house2fly posted:If you need to find the Doctor, who do you call to help you if not his best friend who he goes places with all the time? Having Clara along is probably more about making the Doctor behave. He's a loose cannon without someone to reign him in, and the Master going on her own (without a diabolical plan in the works) isn't going to be enough to make him get his act together - She was right there alongside him for all the really bad poo poo in the Time War.
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Chibnall's track record indicates season one of Broadchurch was a (wonderful) aberration, I'd be pretty worried if he became showrunner, ESPECIALLY based on his actual Doctor Who output.
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I'd happily take Matthew Graham as long as I could whack him with a rolled-up newspaper a few times and say "like The Rebel Flesh, not like Fear Her".
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Rewatching it, there's a glaring flaw in the bit where Missy opens the airlock. Clara is completely wrong, they wouldn't get sucked out if they were in space. They would get blown out.
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My question in that scene is what happened to the snake binding Clara's wrists? She steps out of the airlock with her arms behind her back, and then in the next shot she's throwing her arms out and there's no snake. I hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
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2house2fly posted:Rewatching it, there's a glaring flaw in the bit where Missy opens the airlock. Clara is completely wrong, they wouldn't get sucked out if they were in space. They would get blown out. 
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The CGI in that scene was pretty bad, just sayin'. Davros really cheaped out.
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howe_sam posted:My question in that scene is what happened to the snake binding Clara's wrists? She steps out of the airlock with her arms behind her back, and then in the next shot she's throwing her arms out and there's no snake. I hope somebody got fired for that blunder. Snake couldn't detect the quality of the gravity, didn't trust Missy's opinion and bailed
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