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VulgarandStupid posted:You or your friend should be buying up 5775c's, just saying. which apparently your friend does, so w/e
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# ? Sep 30, 2015 21:22 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 01:43 |
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I learned today he is actually trying to throw money down a hole. This is his express purpose. We're going car shopping later
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# ? Sep 30, 2015 21:46 |
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is it a windfall or debt fraud
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# ? Sep 30, 2015 22:20 |
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Well hey, if that's the case you can feel free to send a 5775c my way...
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# ? Sep 30, 2015 23:13 |
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Potato Salad posted:I learned today he is actually trying to throw money down a hole. This is his express purpose. We're going car shopping later
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 01:43 |
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Don Lapre posted:My kids elementary school only uses chromebooks and google docs. My kids school uses mostly chromebooks and google docs, and some PCs for advanced stuffs. So yeah, chromebooks bitches. Google is killing it. AND I happen to know that at least half the schools in my town use them as well. Lets be honest here. The chromebook is the best device for a learning environment ever. Seriously, low cost, no viruses, functional. Perfect. redeyes fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Oct 1, 2015 |
# ? Oct 1, 2015 01:54 |
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Holy poo poo make a thread to argue about Chromebooks
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 03:37 |
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Speaking of desktop Broadwells, I was thinking about putting together a new HTPC since my current Atom 330 + Nvidia Ion setup is getting a bit old. I've been looking at the i5-5675C as the ideal candidate with it's integrated Iris graphics and as a plus, all compatible mini-ITX Z97 motherboards have a full-length PCI-E slot for any eventual future GPU upgrades. Everything was already in a shopping cart waiting for my credit card details, but then I saw this: http://news.softpedia.com/news/the-intel-broadwells-have-a-major-design-defect-when-running-office-2016-493094.shtml So apparently the desktop Broadwell family has a design flaw of some sort. Anyone know anything more about this, or have any experience with the Broadwells to share?
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:54 |
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Backyarr posted:Speaking of desktop Broadwells, I was thinking about putting together a new HTPC since my current Atom 330 + Nvidia Ion setup is getting a bit old. I've been looking at the i5-5675C as the ideal candidate with it's integrated Iris graphics and as a plus, all compatible mini-ITX Z97 motherboards have a full-length PCI-E slot for any eventual future GPU upgrades. Seems like an awful lot of power for an HTPC, but more concerning than that is if you're actually going to run Office on your HTPC.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 08:03 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:Seems like an awful lot of power for an HTPC, but more concerning than that is if you're actually going to run Office on your HTPC. No offense bro, but read the article: quote:The bug appears to users running on Windows 7, 8.1, 10, multiple Linux versions and even crashing a machine that was running a Linux virtual box Somehow, having a Linux setup crash all the time doesn't sound appealing to me since it defeats the purpose of a Linux install. I was also planning on having it eventually run a web server and a home file server, I probably don't need all that power but I kinda want to have it last for at least 6-7 years. With some Googling, I came up with these: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/3meznc/design_defect_in_i55675ci75775ci75700hq/ https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103351 https://communities.intel.com/thread/80822
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 09:43 |
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Received some new parts yesterday to update my build. 6700k and ASUS Maximus Ranger mobo. Was impressed with how well the chip overclocks - just running the ASUS auto over clock had me at a stable 4.8 GHz. For anyone with that mobo I just want to note that specifically the new BIOS that came out yesterday, 0905, had me unable to boot (Q Code 99). I flashbacked to the BIOS before that and everything was solved.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 16:29 |
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Did you actually read this one all the way through? I don't think you did, because you still seem to be in Chicken Little mode. One of the commenters on that bug with a MSI laptop got directed to this: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=261054.msg1498718#msg1498718 and applying the BIOS update fixed their problems. Someone else who didn't have a MSI laptop extracted the CPU microcode from the MSI UEFI update and managed to use it to fix their problems too. So: brand new Intel CPU needs a microcode update to fix an issue. This is not actually unusual, it's rather common. Microcode updates are typically delivered via BIOS/UEFI updates but can be loaded by the Linux kernel too.
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# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:28 |
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BobHoward posted:CPU needs a microcode update
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# ? Oct 2, 2015 06:39 |
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The bios updates are official, though. As in Intel gave them the microcode bug fixes and all.
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# ? Oct 2, 2015 19:54 |
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Sounds like it just hasn't made its way out through all the mobo manufacturers, though. Which, again, isn't anything new--some companies are a lot more prompt about updating and releasing BIOS versions, while others slow roll it.
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# ? Oct 2, 2015 20:04 |
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Backyarr posted:But I seriously hope someone puts out a, y'know, *official* microcode update.
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# ? Oct 2, 2015 21:09 |
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JawnV6 posted:You think Asus is signing them? I was actually thinking more along the lines of "all manufacturers that claim to support Broadwell should publish BIOS updates" so as not to rely on a workaround using microcode salvaged from a single BIOS update. I'm really glad a solution is possible, though.
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# ? Oct 2, 2015 22:07 |
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Is anyone running 32Gb on Z170H? Under Windows 10 on a Asus Z170H-Deluxe it was well unstable as gently caress when trying to upgrade Windows (Insider Builds) Finger could be pointed at Nvidia (Running a GTX-970) 4xKingston something at 2666 btw Very stable with 16Gb also
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 10:58 |
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nzspambot posted:Is anyone running 32Gb on Z170H? Bad RAM? Have you tried all 4 modules at 16gb?
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 13:36 |
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nzspambot posted:Is anyone running 32Gb on Z170H? Turn off xmp
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 15:55 |
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My first thought is that he's running 1T and not 2T. Running 1T with 4 modules is asking for trouble. We have a subforum for these kinds of things, but this isn't the first (nor will it be) the last.
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 15:59 |
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Even most 2 module XMP setups default to 2T. The speed difference is insignificant in the age of DDR3/DDR4. Always have 2T enabled.
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 17:42 |
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nzspambot posted:Is anyone running 32Gb on Z170H? I have 10 with an Asus z170-A and 32GB Cricual DDR4 PC2133. I booted and ran at stock speed and voltage and have been stable now for more than a week. I'd say its the memory speed or memory itself is bad.
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 22:40 |
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Even most 2 module XMP setups default to 2T. Eh, in the rare scenarios where RAM timing still actually matters, command rate is the only RAM timing that honestly makes a difference, with CAS latency being so high now. Of course, those scenarios don't actually exist anymore outside of synthetic benchmarks so that's kind of moot. But still, given the choice of lower CAS or lower CMD, I'd pick the latter -- given the choice of lower CAS/CMD or more actual memory, always pick the latter.
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# ? Oct 5, 2015 02:55 |
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ARM vs. Intel: Qualcomm enters server CPU market with 24-core ARM chip
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 17:28 |
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Wow, that chip is massive.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 18:40 |
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So, is it actually faster than an Intel chip with equivalent die surface or power consumption? Or is this just a novelty crossed with a crowbar?
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 19:43 |
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"The limiting factor is how much power you can get in the building," Gavrielov of Xilinx said. Limit not actual, power that can enter a building is much higher than datacenter use.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 20:17 |
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DrDork posted:Wow, that chip is massive.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 21:40 |
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More competition in the compute market would be awesome, but God help me if I have to start supporting multiple architectures or start staving off devs who want to build their cloud stack on ARM.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 22:11 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:So, is it actually faster than an Intel chip with equivalent die surface or power consumption? Or is this just a novelty crossed with a crowbar? You want actual information from a marketing roll-out? :ohyou: Serious comment: faster by what measurement? Part of the promise of ARM is chips that do better on specific things that Intel is not great at, but maybe not have quite the breadth of Xeon. The first design is a test platform - there's quite a ways to go with these guys - but QCOM has shown they can beat Intel in other markets. Of course, server is now home turf for x86...
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 22:44 |
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(This is not my original observation.) It's possible that Qualcomm is trying to target that chip at niches where compute power isn't important, but lots of IO is. That's a more achievable target than trying to compete straight up with Intel's CPU cores (*), and it gives them some room to undercut on price. If you were to buy a Xeon system with as much IO as that package implies, it's 2-socket for sure and possibly 4-socket or more. As they've grown more and more dominant, Intel's premium for 2+ socket enabled E5/E7 CPUs has skyrocketed, particularly 4 socket and above. If there are enough customers interested in a 1-socket IO monster at a bargain price, that's not a bad way to get a foothold. Exploiting a niche the monopolist isn't serving well is the way to go. (*) - the difficulty of trying to compete with Intel's IO and interconnect should not be underestimated either, but QC is avoiding some of that by keeping the interconnect fabric on-die. Depending on delivering the equivalent of QPI in the gen 1 product would not have been smart.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:39 |
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So, upgrade question: I've currently got an i3-2100, I can get an i5-2500t rather cheap. would I see a noticeable improvement in doing a drop-in replacement, or should I bank the cash to hasten a full board & chip swap further down the line?
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 13:56 |
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Durinia posted:Serious comment: faster by what measurement? Point is, if I have this fancy 24 core ARM CPU that eats 120W, and it gets blown to smithereens by the 8 core Xeon at 120W, what good is the ARM, except likely being cheaper in acquisition (if at all).
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 14:07 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:Uh, performance? I suppose in this particular case, web requests per second and whatever database metric is important? Yeah, that's pretty much my point. The optimal configuration is very different, depending on workload. If it's thread/memory request bound, then lots of medium cores likely outperform a few big cores. If it's memory bound, more DDR channels, or it could be IO (like BobHoward said above). The goal is not to beat Intel at everything, just beat them at one relatively lucrative thing. Let some other vendor take aim at the other markets - there's plenty to go around. BobHoward posted:Exploiting a niche the monopolist isn't serving well is the way to go. Explained better than I've managed to do it, apparently.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 15:04 |
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Well do they beat Intel at anything that people actually care about? I dunno, but I wouldn't automatically assume that.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 16:57 |
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I don't think even they know fully yet:quote:The company is shipping the part to big customers now for testing, he said, though he declined to name them. He also wouldn't say when a product will be available commercially; Qualcomm will provide an update on that during the next year, It sounds like at least some of the big names in cloud computing you would expect are taking a look, they are very experienced with spreading loads to make use of multiple cores.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 17:19 |
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They also don't need to soundly defeat Intel in any specific performance metric, as they can also seriously compete on cost/core.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 17:21 |
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Skandranon posted:They also don't need to soundly defeat Intel in any specific performance metric, as they can also seriously compete on cost/core. This is not a metric you even bother looking at when designing servers that run 24/7. Perfromance per watt is still king and this is unlikely to change.
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Kerbtree posted:So, upgrade question: Unless "cheap" means "free", don't do it.
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