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quote:Obamacare: Republicans are moving forward with their plan to waste their one chance at reconciliation on gutting Obamacare (and Planned Parenthood) while Democrats play it quiet when an immigration reformer proposes to extend Obamacare to undocumented immigrants. I don't really get this stuff, if this is a way to use some obscure political jiujitsu move to get around the senate, why haven't the GOP used it before, what is stopping them from doing it again? Is it some stupid gentleman's agreement that only holds up when they don't want to go crazy and pass something super insane?
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teacup posted:I don't really get this stuff, if this is a way to use some obscure political jiujitsu move to get around the senate, why haven't the GOP used it before, what is stopping them from doing it again? Is it some stupid gentleman's agreement that only holds up when they don't want to go crazy and pass something super insane? Probably because all it accomplishes is getting a bill on Obama's desk where he has to veto it. And sending a bill to the President that he has already promised will definitely be vetoed doesn't make you look like a winner. Edit: They want the headlines to read "Obama imperils government in defense of known baby-killers!" when it's more likely they'll read "Congress continues to accomplish jack and/or poo poo"
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Oct 1, 2015 14:23
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Kevin McCarthy accidentally said what the Benghazi investigations have been about.quote:
You're mad now but you're going to be even madder when you see that this bald faced omission will change nothing.
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Oct 1, 2015 14:24
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Did anyone see McCarthy's foreign policy speech? It was played on Maddow.. WOW is he dumb. He can't string 2 coherent sentences together...
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Oct 1, 2015 14:44
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Major overhaul in criminal justice being announced now. Guess they got Grassely to sign off. Ideas they were kicking around were all major improvements in sentencing so we will see what they roll out here
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Oct 1, 2015 15:16
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Rent-A-Cop posted:This is like reason #101 why you shouldn't loving have classified info on unsecured machines. Good thing so far there hasn't been any classified information on it at the time it was sent.
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Oct 1, 2015 15:19
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Biden has announced he will not be participating in the Dem debate. Apparently it is news that a guy not running for president won't be in the presidential debate
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Oct 1, 2015 15:20
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Fried Chicken posted:Biden has announced he will not be participating in the Dem debate. Apparently it is news that a guy not running for president won't be in the presidential debate Until he gives his Shermanesque statement, he's assumed to be running. How else is the media going to horse race it?
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Oct 1, 2015 15:21
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Fried Chicken posted:Biden has announced he will not be participating in the Dem debate. Apparently it is news that a guy not running for president won't be in the presidential debate People want him to run, the media wants him to run, so everyone is just running under the assumption he is running despite the fact that he has really not said he will.
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Oct 1, 2015 15:22
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Fried Chicken posted:Biden has announced he will not be participating in the Dem debate. Apparently it is news that a guy not running for president won't be in the presidential debate That'll just make his WWE-like entrance halfway into the debate a surprise.
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Oct 1, 2015 15:23
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Fried Chicken posted:Biden has announced he will not be participating in the Dem debate. Apparently it is news that a guy not running for president won't be in the presidential debate Well, at least they eventually got the message about Warren.
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Oct 1, 2015 15:27
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Zapf Dingbat posted:And this month in "Great Job, Alabama:" Time to bring back reconstruction.
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Oct 1, 2015 15:33
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Fried Chicken posted:Biden has announced he will not be participating in the Dem debate. Apparently it is news that a guy not running for president won't be in the presidential debate I think it's because they went through some extreme lengths to be able to allow Biden to join the debate if he wanted to.
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Oct 1, 2015 15:33
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Fried Chicken posted:Biden has announced he will not be participating in the Dem debate. Apparently it is news that a guy not running for president won't be in the presidential debate It's great for those cheap Biden not running shares I picked up last week on PredictIt though. Thanks to whoever gave the tip.
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Oct 1, 2015 15:44
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A Bag of Milk posted:Great OP as always. To start off the new month, Alabama is closing 31 driver's licence offices throughout the state leaving 29 counties without one. You are underselling this: 8 out of 10 of the counties with the highest minority voter registration percentage are not just losing a driver's license office, they will have NO drivers license office. Those six counties you mention with highest black percentage, NO OFFICE.
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Oct 1, 2015 15:47
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zoux posted:Until he gives his Shermanesque statement, he's assumed to be running. How else is the media going to horse race it? Talk about the guy who is making it a competitive race?
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Oct 1, 2015 15:49
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Fried Chicken posted:Talk about the guy who is making it a competitive race? And the man's doing a heck of a job at it too. He beat Obama's individual donation record and has virtual fundraising parity with Hillary; for now. Last I heard the national polls had them closing in on each other. Perhaps single digits? Could be wrong.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:04
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RaySmuckles posted:He beat Obama's individual donation record In fastest time to 1 million donors, not total money. Hillary is smoking him in total money. And guess what matters more, number of donors or number of dollar bills.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:09
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I though number of votes mattered most.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:12
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RaySmuckles posted:I though number of votes mattered most. Awww 
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Oct 1, 2015 16:14
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RaySmuckles posted:I though number of votes mattered most. That's adorable!
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Oct 1, 2015 16:15
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zoux posted:Awww Individual donors seems to me like a pretty reliable count of active voters, likely to participate in the primary process. In addition, No one is saying Bernie is smoking Hillary. But the race is closing and its closer than most people thought it would be. Bernie is achieving more and more milestones, so its getting harder and harder to write him off. That is the summation of my observations.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:17
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zoux posted:In fastest time to 1 million donors, not total money. Hillary is smoking him in total money. And guess what matters more, number of donors or number of dollar bills. Her campaign is also much more expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if Sanders actually had more cash on hand at the moment. Clinton spend a lot of time at lavish fundraisers, any event she goes to with a large expensive entourage, just the nature of old school retail politics, while Sanders is flying commercial with minimal staff, not doing expensive events, etc.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:19
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greatn posted:Her campaign is also much more expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if Sanders actually had more cash on hand at the moment. Clinton spend a lot of time at lavish fundraisers, any event she goes to with a large expensive entourage, just the nature of old school retail politics, while Sanders is flying commercial with minimal staff, not doing expensive events, etc. 
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Oct 1, 2015 16:23
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http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/01/444951689/bernie-sanders-raises-26-million-in-third-quarter-nearly-as-much-as-clinton Here's an article that says your graph is wrong and he's raised 26 million in the 3rd quarter alone. How is it your graph only has him down at ~16mil
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Oct 1, 2015 16:25
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As someone who's been in the "vote Sanders in the primary, Clinton in the general" camp since he declared, he's doing much better than I expected. Clinton +13 is still a big hurdle to overcome, but it's worlds better than the Clinton +55 of six months ago. More interesting to me though is, how are the candidates' ground games shaping up? I never see news stories on that, because Infrastructure is Boring, but it seems more important than raw cash on hand or early polling.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:26
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Can I get that in pie chart form?
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Oct 1, 2015 16:27
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Nolanar posted:As someone who's been in the "vote Sanders in the primary, Clinton in the general" camp since he declared, he's doing much better than I expected. Clinton +13 is still a big hurdle to overcome, but it's worlds better than the Clinton +55 of six months ago. More interesting to me though is, how are the candidates' ground games shaping up? I never see news stories on that, because Infrastructure is Boring, but it seems more important than raw cash on hand or early polling. Any poll which includes Biden is going to hurt Clinton.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:28
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RaySmuckles posted:http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/01/444951689/bernie-sanders-raises-26-million-in-third-quarter-nearly-as-much-as-clinton It's not my graph and probably because it hasn't been updated. Add $26 million to his graph and add $28 million to the HIllary bar I guess. Whats up with all the Bernie hasbara in this thread all of a sudden.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:28
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zoux posted:It's not my graph and probably because it hasn't been updated. Add $26 million to his graph and add $28 million to the HIllary bar I guess. So you posted a misleading graph. Why don't you edit your post and delete it? edit: look i'm editing mine to remind everyone that this guy either didn't do good research or cherry picked a misleading graph. edit 2: and even though its super easy to change it and remove it, he refuses because he's inherently dishonest!
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Oct 1, 2015 16:29
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RaySmuckles posted:So you posted a misleading graph. Why don't you edit your post and delete it? How 'bout no.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:29
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RaySmuckles posted:So you posted a misleading graph. Why don't you edit your post and delete it? The ratio is the same though?
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Oct 1, 2015 16:31
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RaySmuckles posted:So you posted a misleading graph. Why don't you edit your post and delete it? Shut up.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:31
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That's it out of date. Sanders has announced its current cash on hand is 25 million, the Clinton campaign hasn't disclosed that at the moment. The real money is all in the super PACs of course so Clinton in reality has much more than that.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:31
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fool_of_sound posted:Shut up. Debate and Discussion indeed, gentlemen.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:32
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RaySmuckles posted:Debate and Discussion indeed, gentlemen. Being really whiny and super defensive about your candidate doesn't do you, or Sanders, any favors. It just makes you annoying.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:33
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greatn posted:That's it out of date. Sanders has announced its current cash on hand is 25 million, the Clinton campaign hasn't disclosed that at the moment. Yeah, really my whole point is that while it's impressive that Bernie hit a million small donors, Bernie zombies are way over inflating the importance of that fact. I mean, he only beat Obama's 2012 million donor date by a week, and it's not like there was a massive grass roots outpouring of excitement for that campaign.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:34
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RaySmuckles posted:Debate and Discussion indeed, gentlemen. Being an aggressively whiny gently caress is neither debate nor discussion.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:35
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RaySmuckles posted:Individual donors seems to me like a pretty reliable count of active voters, likely to participate in the primary process. In addition, No one is saying Bernie is smoking Hillary. But the race is closing and its closer than most people thought it would be. Bernie is achieving more and more milestones, so its getting harder and harder to write him off. That is the summation of my observations. They're a good surrogate for a "solid supporter" that is to say, if you've donated to someone you're going to vote for someone. So nationally, there are at least 1 million people who will vote Sanders. That's to be expected based on his poll numbers. It will be interesting if Sanders and Carson both keep up this level of fundraising.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Being really whiny and super defensive about your candidate doesn't do you, or Sanders, any favors. It just makes you annoying. Oh right, I'm the bad guy because I casually posted something positive about Bernie in the US politics thread and called someone out for posting misleading information. The chase out has been acknowledged. Dissenting opinions in this thread beware. Glad it only took until page 2.
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