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BenRGamer posted:Actually there is some determination involved. When Prof says the encounter rate goes down, it goes way down. To the point where it's recommended to alt-tab out while walking to abuse a bug where you'll walk in place automatically and can still trigger encounters. It seems that I'm the only person in the world who's figured out that the game queues up an encounter fairly quickly after you enter a room, and that you'll significantly cut the time it takes to grind by just shifting between two rooms in between each encounter. Sentient Data posted:Too true, i think the proper (and intended) order is to spare the ruins monsters, kill goatmom on accident, get scolded by flowey, reload/restart, go peaceful, then optionally go true peaceful and/or genocide (optionally followed by another peaceful) Hello, I'm that rear end in a top hat who killed just about everything in his first playthrough, including Toriel, before doing a Genocide run because it sounded interesting. After all, life is meaningless without LOVE, isn't it?
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But you already knew a genocide run was a thing that could happen, right? Cases of someone triggering a genocide run on their first playthrough without knowing about it beforehand would be interesting, particularly to see if the game succeeds in getting them to restart or if they stick with it.
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I think the only legitimate way to do a genocide run first try without knowing about it beforehand is if you REALLY like to grind. The first area monsters dont really give a lot of gold or EXP so for most it wont be a very tempting thing to do.
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Suspicious Cook posted:Snowdrake and Icecap confront you, sighing. Everyone knows Spoilers. Makes threads get locked 2 hours longer. [Check]
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Dolash posted:But you already knew a genocide run was a thing that could happen, right? Cases of someone triggering a genocide run on their first playthrough without knowing about it beforehand would be interesting, particularly to see if the game succeeds in getting them to restart or if they stick with it. I think the decreasing encounter rate partly exists to prevent that. Someone who's just casually grinding because they like to grind in RPGs would end up getting turned off by the really long wait times in-between encounters at the lower end and just moving on. I also wonder if there's actually someone out there who just triggered genocide on their first run. They'd end up having a pretty hosed up opinion of the game.
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Oct 30, 2015 08:13
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I think Slowbeef may have done Genocide as his first run? But I may be wrong about that. I've seen his Undertale videos up on his youtube channel, but they gave some pretty heavy warnings partway through the first video that it was going to contain mega-spoilers, so I haven't watched them through.
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It was slowbeef's first time seeing genocide, not playing the game. Some of his reactions were pretty funny.
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Heavy neutrino posted:I also wonder if there's actually someone out there who just triggered genocide on their first run. They'd end up having a pretty hosed up opinion of the game. I did. Did it for Youtube. I won't go into detail about how the genocide run affected my opinion, because that would be nothing but spoilers. But I didn't do the genocide run on accident, and I knew it wasn't how your first run was supposed to go. So I didn't develop too hosed up of an opinion.
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Is there a recording of his playthrough? I love seeing people's reactions, and he seems like one of the few that wouldn't go ultra-over-the-top with hamming it up
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Check his youtube channel, that's where I saw it.
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Sentient Data posted:Is there a recording of his playthrough? I love seeing people's reactions, and he seems like one of the few that wouldn't go ultra-over-the-top with hamming it up His Genocide playthrough? Yeah, it's on his YouTube channel. His first playthrough? No, but he does have a video of the first two areas. Be aware, though, that he had played the demo and does one of the most evil things you can do in this game to gently caress with chat, and we have yet to see what he did in this LP.
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 Pretty boring place so far.  Sans approaches me. I've heard this speech before.  BGM: sans.  it's ALWAYS funny. ... that's, uh. your cue to laugh. or, uh, to emote at all...? ... (gee, lady, you really know how to pick 'em, huh...? OK, that's fine. everyone's got their own sense of humor. i'm sans. sans the skeleton. im actually supposed to be on watch for humans right now. but... y'know... i dont really care about capturing anybody. now my brother, papyrus... he's a human-hunting FANATIC. hey, actually, that's him over there. i have an idea. go through this gate thingy. yeah, go right through. my bro made the bars too wide to stop anyone.  ... uh, ok, i guess you don't have to. yeah. REALLY!?!? WOWIE!!! GUESS THAT'S SETTLED!! ...are you just gonna stare at me, or...? my brother'd really like to see a human... so, y'know, it'd really help me out... if you kept pretending to be one.  BGM: Snowy?  I take the Tough Glove. I'm going to need better equipment.   I WANT TO LOOK MY SUNDAY BEST... OR AT LEAST MY TUESDAY PRETTY-GOOD. don't you only have one outfit? YEAH, BUT I COULD STYLE MY HAIR! oh. right. good idea. say, why don't you look over there? SANS!!! OH MY GOD!!!! I'M DIZZY. WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? behold. OH MY GOD!!! WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME TO LOOK AT A ROCK. hey, what's that in front of the rock? OH MY GOD!!! I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS. well. it's not a rock. NOT A ROCK...? OH NO!!! BY PROCESS OF ELIMINATION!!! THAT MEANS IT'S A HUMAN!!! AHEM!! HUMAN!! PREPARE YOURSELF!! FOR HIGH JINKS! FOR LOW JINKS! DANGERS! PUZZLES! CAPERS! JAPERS! BEING CAPTURED! AND OTHER SORTS OF FUN ACTIVITIES. REFRESHMENTS WILL BE PROVIDED... IF YOU DARE! NYEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH!!!  Finally, they left.  Each weapon alters the attack input. After pressing Z to attack with the Tough Glove, I need to mash Z for extra damage.  I kill Snowdrake.  Someone stops me.  I kill Doggo.   Traveller, if you could...  Oh me, oh my. What are you doing? Soon there won't be any of me left...  Stop... Please...  Nothing else I need here.  YOU WERE NAPPING ALL NIGHT!! i think that's called... sleeping. EXCUSES, EXCUSES! IN ORDER TO STOP YOU... MY BROTHER AND I HAVE CREATED SOME PUZZLES! I THINK YOU WILL FIND THIS ONE...  FOR YOU SEE, THIS IS... THE, INVISIBLE... UHHHHHHH...? HMMM... YOU MUST BE HAVING CULTURE SHOCK. YOU SEE, WHERE I COME FROM, IT'S A LOVING TRADITION. TO SUFFER THROUGH HORRIBLE PUZZLES FOR NO REASON. ... SIGH... WHY COULDN'T WE GET A HUMAN THAT LIKES PUZZLES??? I keep moving.  Just some boring snow.  SANS!! WHERE'S THE PUZZLE!!! it's right there. on the ground. trust me. there's no way they'll skip this one. whoops. knew i should have put down junior jumble instead. WHAT?!? JUNIOR JUMBLE!? FINALLY, SOMETHING WE CAN BOTH AGREE ON. me neither. i'm more of a funny pages kind of guy. ... One snowdrake down.  The puzzle in the next area isn't even turned on.   I kill Lesser Dog.  Why are there so many dogs in this place?  The other dog gets mad for some reason after I kill the first one.  But not for long.  There's something unimportant on the ground.  IT'S THE HUMAN! IT WAS MADE BY THE GREAT... ...ARE YOU SERIOUS? SANS!!! HELP!!! THEY KEEP WALKING THROUGH MY PUZZLES! THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO LET ME EXPLAIN THEM. THEN THREATEN AND BAFFLE THEM WITH DANGEROUS JAPES. well, maybe they don't like japes. EVERYONE LIKES JAPES!!! what about undyne? doesn't she hate puzzles? SHE HATES PUZZLES. BUT SHE LOVES JAPES. that makes sense. HUMAN!! WHAT DO YOU THINK!? PUZZLES OR JAPES? ... ... OKAY, THIS IS NORMALLY THE PART. WHERE YOU EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE. AND DEPENDING ON YOUR ANSWER. WE SAY SOMETHING GREAT IN RESPONSE. ... HERE, WHY DON'T YOU DO THIS PUZZLE YOURSELF.    I save my game.  I kill Gyftrot.  I kill Greater Dog.  I kill another Icecap, then I easily kill...  ...really?  I hit Jerry way, way too many times.  Even killing Jerry isn't any fun.  I kill, and kill, and kill...  BGM: ?  THIS IS YOUR FINAL AND MOST DANGEROUS CHALLENGE! BEHOLD! THE GAUNTLET OF DEADLY TERROR! Oh, get on with it.  WELL!!! ...THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WALK THROUGH IT. AND IT WON'T BE ANY FUN AT ALL. hmmm... so this human thing was a bust, huh? WELL. I MEAN. I'M EXCITED TO CAPTURE THEM. SO I'LL BECOME A FAMOUS ROYAL GUARDSMAN!!! BUT ALL THE TIME I PUT INTO THESE PUZZLES... IT'S KIND OF LIKE THROWING A BIRTHDAY PARTY... without traps and fire? EXACTLY!! IT'S POINTLESS!!! MAYBE YOU WERE RIGHT TO BE LAZY ABOUT PUZZLES. me? right about something? really? ... YEAH!! WHAT AM I SAYING! YOU'RE STILL COMPLETELY WRONG! I JUST HAVE THE WRONG AUDIENCE! THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH FUN UNDYNE WOULD HAVE HERE! FLAMES. VIOLENCE. IT'S RIGHT UP HER ALLEY! SO I WON'T WASTE THIS PUZZLE ON YOU. I JUST HAVE TO APPRECIATE... THE FRIEND I ALREADY HAVE!!! A VALUABLE LIFE LESSON!!! NYEH HEH HEH!!! guess we didn't need your help to have a good time after all. ... say, i've been thinking. seems like you're gonna fight my brother pretty soon. here's some friendly advice. if you keep going the way you are now... ... ...  It's quiet.  The shop is abandoned.  I can take any items I want. I clear some inventory space, then take one of everything but the glove.  She doesn't need it.  (There's a note here.)  Nothing else here I can use.  Nobody at the inn.    Man, adults can be so dumb sometimes, haha... Don't they know we've got Undyne to protect us!? Nobody at Grillby's.  What a boring town.  Time to meet someone.  BGM: Bonetrousle?  I, THE GREAT PAPYRUS, HAVE SOME THINGS TO SAY. FIRST: YOU'RE A FREAKING WEIRDO! NOT ONLY DO YOU NOT LIKE PUZZLES. BUT THE WAY YOU SHAMBLE ABOUT FROM PLACE TO PLACE... THE WAY YOUR HANDS ARE ALWAYS COVERED IN DUSTY POWDER. IT FEELS... LIKE YOUR LIFE IS GOING DOWN A DANGEROUS PATH. HOWEVER! I, PAPYRUS, SEE GREAT POTENTIAL WITHIN YOU! EVERYONE CAN BE A GREAT PERSON IF THEY TRY! AND ME, I HARDLY HAVE TO TRY AT ALL!!! NYEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH!!! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! HUMAN! I THINK YOU ARE IN NEED OF GUIDANCE! SOMEONE NEEDS TO KEEP YOU ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW! BUT WORRY NOT! I, PAPYRUS... WILL GLADLY BE YOUR FRIEND AND TUTOR! I WILL TURN YOUR LIFE RIGHT AROUND!!! ARE YOU OFFERING A HUG OF ACCEPTANCE? WOWIE!! MY LESSONS ARE ALREADY WORKING!! I, PAPYRUS, WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS! Finally.  ...  Maybe he's right.  BGM: Nyeh Heh Heh! YOU DIDN'T DO A VIOLENCE!!! TO BE HONEST, I WAS A LITTLE AFRAID... BUT YOU'RE ALREADY BECOMING A GREAT PERSON! I'M SO PROUD I COULD CRY!!! ...WAIT, WASN'T I SUPPOSED TO CAPTURE YOU...? WELL, FORGET IT! I JUST WANT YOU TO BE THE BEST PERSON YOU CAN BE. SO LET'S LET BYBONES BE BYBONES. I'LL EVEN TELL YOU HOW TO LEAVE THE UNDERGROUND. It's time to turn my life around...  Just kidding.  I just wanted to see what would happen.  BGM: Bonetrousle? Isn't that why we're here at all? To see what happens.   Monsters are weak.    BUT... ST... STILL! I BELIEVE IN YOU! YOU CAN DO A LITTLE BETTER! EVEN IF YOU DON'T THINK SO! I... I PROMISE... I kill... hmm.  What was his name again?
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ProfessorProf posted:
This is why the Genocide run is such an experience. Little things like this. Not to mention all the major changes coming from the player character having absolutely no time for this puzzle bullshit.
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You know you're a special kind of evil when you manage to damage even Papyrus' love for puzzles. Oh, and let's not forget killing him even as he tried to have mercy on you, a relentless killer with your hands dirty of the dust of his fellow monsters! That's pretty evil too.
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Even people who don't like puzzles deserve hugs 
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U gon get not good times Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Oct 30, 2015 13:47
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paradoxGentleman posted:You know you're a special kind of evil when you manage to damage even Papyrus' love for puzzles. Hopefully it gets washed off in Waterfall because yeesh.
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Oct 30, 2015 13:55
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Fan art time? Fan art time. (Not mine/not drawn by me)
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Oct 30, 2015 14:01
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Well, our next weapon is the ballet shoes, right? So we're going to have dusty feet instead.
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I have a theory as to something that might happen in the future. I really hope I'm wrong, though even if I am it'll still be pretty bad. Just maybe not that bad... Though still very bad. I was actually wondering how'd you get items from shops in this run. Now I see that all the townsfolk ran away (or died... hoping for the former, just let me be blissfully ignorant on this) so you can steal their stuff.
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Oct 30, 2015 14:06
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Genocide Papyrus is either the easiest or the hardest boss to defeat.
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Wow, that hurts in a way I wasn't expecting. Is it even possible to try the puzzles during a genocide run, or do you skip them in-cutscene?
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I skip some in cutscene, and the others aren't even set up.
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YOU TAKE THAT BACK. Triskelli posted:Wow, that hurts in a way I wasn't expecting. Is it even possible to try the puzzles during a genocide run, or do you skip them in-cutscene? It's all in-cutscene. You don't have time for silly puzzle shenanigans, you've got places to be, monsters to kill.
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Tenebrais posted:Genocide Papyrus is either the easiest or the hardest boss to defeat. Easiest, he goes down in one hit By the way, I'm a bit disappointed you didn't show off Dogaressa's attacks
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ehhh it's pretty much the same as normal but slightly faster e: I have been informed that this is not the case, hopefully someone shows it off at the end Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Oct 30, 2015 14:24
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I love the slowed down music effect more and more and man that snowball comment, it says it all
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The bit with the snowman is great because in my genocide run, I didn't even talk to him since I felt that, as a murderous rear end in a top hat, why would I want to help out a sweet, innocent snowman? Then I went back later and saw what happens and had one of those weird moments where you laugh but also feel like a horrible human being. Also the bit with the lamp really really threw me and it was the first time i thought "m-maybe this isn't such a good idea."
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Tenebrais posted:Genocide Papyrus is either the easiest or the hardest boss to defeat. This is no joke. This fight stopped me cold, and I know I'm not the only one. I ugly cried at the silence and the trembling letters and the mercy and the hug of acceptance and I took that mercy, and I went back and had the world's most awkward time hanging out with Papyrus, and then I quit, and overwrote my save with my true pacifist backup. Two days later, I did my reset again, picked one of my stock RPG names, and finished the job. I cried again at intervals, but back to 'gee it's dusty in here' levels not 'my long term boyfriend dumped me' levels. But that moment right there with Papyrus is straight-up the most emotional moment in the game for me. In his way, he did a much better job of stopping me than any following bosses. neongrey fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Genocide Papyrus is about where I realized how much i cared about these characters and where the game really started to get to me. I'm really digging this LP. Undertale is easily the best game I've played this year, and I think you're doing really well right now to capture that complete shift in tone that this run has compared to the rest of the game.
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So, I'm guessing murdering Papyrus is the point of no return for Genocide run? Because after that, I can't see Undyne, Alphys, or anyone else helping you out anymore. gently caress.
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Oh there is an answer for that, but I will let Prof handle it edit: it also took me way too long to notice the thread subtitle has changed DeafNote fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Oct 30, 2015 15:02
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I haven't played Genocide, and to be honest, so far the it feels more like missing out on content than seeing new things. Hopefully that changes as the game progresses. Some of Sans's alternate lines are pretty chilling, though, I gotta admit.
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Captain Bravo posted:So, I'm guessing murdering Papyrus is the point of no return for Genocide run? Because after that, I can't see Undyne, Alphys, or anyone else helping you out anymore. gently caress. That's more of a philosophical question, really. You can stop playing at anytime.
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Ventadour posted:I haven't played Genocide, and to be honest, so far the it feels more like missing out on content than seeing new things. Hopefully that changes as the game progresses. You must be making some mistake. We are clearly consuming all of the content available. Don't you see our numbers going up? (I was pretty impressed that the thread somehow managed to get all the way up till yesterday before uttering the phrase 'Bad Time')
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Rigged Death Trap posted:
You know, I forgot he did that blink teleport there. Confirms what people were thinking earlier, about his "shortcuts" going to Grillby's etc.
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sans is gonna gently caress you up
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ZenVulgarity posted:sans is gonna gently caress you up
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DEAD. WHERE. YOU. STAND.
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So, yes, you have now seen the second and third reasons people don't like to do genocide runs. The game not only makes you do boring as hell grinding to activate it (note that the best defense of the grinding was "it's not so bad if you cheat and have something else to do while doing it", which is somewhat weak tea), it actively punishes you by taking out all the whimsy in Snowdin. You don't get whimsy. You're a murderer. And then you have to kill Papyrus, not as a cool boss fight, but in one hit while he's telling you he still believes in you.
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