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Its not about feelings its about public safety. Does anyone discriminate against you? I ask because its a surreal experience to have people call for your destruction, euthanasia and general mistreatment when they don't know you can hear them. Hate speech laws aren't to prevent political or religious speech they're to make sure someone doesn't die. It takes some willful density to twist that into government censorship. Is this what a free speech amendment nut looks like?
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Badger of Basra posted:What is natetimm's wondrous policy for protecting minority groups from hate speech? My policy is that you don't have a right to be protected from being offended.
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Badger of Basra posted:What is natetimm's wondrous policy for protecting minority groups from hate speech? I put £5 on "deal with it" E: natetimm posted:My policy is that you don't have a right to be protected from being offended. YES
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Dreylad posted:Also speech is limited in the US, I don't know why Americans believe otherwise. It reminds me extreme gun fetishests. The second amendment of course ignoring the defining clause and just focusing on the I get to have 'arms' doesn't have a qualifier on the type or power of those arms yet we clearly as a society realize people owning RPGs, mortars and shoulder mounted missiles is a bad thing, never mind extreme military grade ordinance. There are of course a few nut jobs who do believe the right is unrestricted and they should get to have whatever they want. 'Hate' speech is still protected. You can say whatever the gently caress you want to whoever wants to listen in private. You can rant about the sodomites destroying the very fabric of humanity if you are dating/married to another lunatic or how blacks are monkeys or whatever vile poo poo you believe. It's sort of like states without open carry. You can have your penile extension and rub your genitals all over it as much as you want but the rest of society in those areas realize people walking around with ar-15s strapped to their back in McDonalds can create a public panic or loving up the mind of your children shooting cardboard targets of There is no law restricting what you think or say, the restrictions all have to do with where and how you express them.
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RuanGacho posted:Its not about feelings its about public safety. This is hysterical bullshit. Nobody ever died from hate speech.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:09
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natetimm posted:My policy is that you don't have a right to be protected from being offended. Why not? natetimm posted:This is hysterical bullshit. Nobody ever died from hate speech. Creating an environment where speech calling for harm, etc. based on someone's characteristics is not a good thing. You don't need for someone to actually die before you think "wow, racism sure is bad!"
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Natenimm you claim all speech should be protected. Do you feel children who verbally antagonize other children through calling them names like human being etc.. is protected Speech. Is it okay for a Adult to say hurtful things to a child or minor that has identified as LGBT? Would you be okay with a person in authority like a Teacher telling a minor or child something hurtful or harmful? Even though they are expressing their opinion? Would you be okay with a Adult coming up to a child who may be transgender and telling them harmful things? Would you be okay with a teacher at school met the child outside of school such as a store or similar place then expressed their view on the child or minor? Do you count emotional harm as harm or do you discount it? Is emotional harm impossible?
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Nov 2, 2015 00:11
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natetimm posted:Proof of some beneficial effect. A reduction in crime, perhaps? At this point all they're enforcing is people's hurt feelings. So in order to be objectively justified in committing some sort of prohibitive action, one has to have solid, objective proof that committing that action will bring about an outcome they consider to be beneficial. Subjectively beneficial. Got it. natetimm posted:My policy is that you don't have a right to be protected from being offended. I imagine it really is very easy to dismiss laws implementing hate speech when you think that the only effect of hate speech is to offend people, and not to push them into committing harmful acts upon themselves or others.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:11
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natetimm posted:You are posting this in a comments section. And do you believe you have a constitutional right to be here? Is probating you violating your first amendment rights?
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Nov 2, 2015 00:11
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Badger of Basra posted:Why not? Because the interest in protecting free speech for all of society outweighs a selected group's right to not be offended, and laws passed to reduce hurt feelings due to speech are too easily abused.
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natetimm posted:This is hysterical bullshit. Nobody ever died from hate speech. "Hey Mom, what's this word in the newspaper? Bullied teen committed 'Sue-ee-cide?' What the gently caress is that?"
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Nov 2, 2015 00:12
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Badger of Basra posted:Why not? Speaking the truth should never be a crime.
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natetimm posted:This is the party line for the useful idiots. Conrgats on buying it. You can do both of those things without violating another person's rights, it's just a lot harder and you don't get to feel as self-righteous. actually its a lot harder to the point of being impossible so your hypothetical situation is not even worth discussing. but you cant see this because youre actually just looking for an excuse to be a massive shithead to people without repercussion or difficulty.
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natetimm has a point. as a straight white man who rarely ventures outside of his house, i don't see the harm that negative social contact can do to others. elminiating all social contact altogether is far more efficient anyway
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natetimm posted:Because the interest in protecting free speech for all of society outweighs a selected group's right to not be offended, and laws passed to reduce hurt feelings due to speech are too easily abused. That sounds like a subjective judgement to me.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:12
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Rent-A-Cop posted:gently caress the police, kill the rich, death to America, etc. agreed
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Nov 2, 2015 00:13
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Hollismason posted:Natenimm you claim all speech should be protected. Do you feel children who verbally antagonize other children through calling them names like human being etc.. is protected Speech. Emotional harm counts, but not enough to put people in jail over it.
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natetimm posted:This is hysterical bullshit. Nobody ever died from hate speech. Technically nobody ever died from death threats either but they're still illegal!
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Hollismason posted:Do you count emotional harm as harm or do you discount it? Is emotional harm impossible? there's no such thing as emotional harm if you're autistic. checkmate, feelings havers
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Nov 2, 2015 00:13
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OwlFancier posted:Technically nobody ever died from death threats either but they're still illegal! Being offensive and credibly threatening someone with death are totally the same thing!
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Nov 2, 2015 00:14
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Badger of Basra posted:What is natetimm's wondrous policy for protecting minority groups from hate speech? vouchers for thicker (and whiter) skin
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natetimm posted:Being offensive and credibly threatening someone with death are totally the same thing! agreed, gamergators are terrible and should be silenced
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Nov 2, 2015 00:15
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Straight white man baffled at concept that hate speech is detrimental to wellbeing of recipients. In other news, water wet, fire hot.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:16
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OwlFancier posted:Straight white man baffled at concept that hate speech is detrimental to wellbeing of recipients. In other news, water wet, fire hot. I'm sorry for triggering you.
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natetimm posted:This is hysterical bullshit. Nobody ever died from hate speech. Oh, so I suppose all those LGBT teens who commit suicide every year do it for literally no reason. Nope, none at all. That or I suppose they just aren't people to you. Which is it, I wonder? gently caress you
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quote:When you think about it pro-choice is the real hate speech. If you don't think that's how hate speech laws would go in America you are dumb + wrong.
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OwlFancier posted:Technically nobody ever died from death threats either but they're still illegal! "Attempted murder," now honestly, did they ever give anyone a Nobel prize for "attempted chemistry?"
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Popular Thug Drink posted:there's no such thing as emotional harm if you're autistic. checkmate, feelings havers i wish 
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natetimm posted:Being offensive and credibly threatening someone with death are totally the same thing! Uhh, yes? Because you see nobody's actually dying and it's only words so they're 100% commensurable and my right to threaten to loving lynch a friend of the family is too precious to be threatened by people being offended by that?!
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Who What Now posted:Oh, so I suppose all those LGBT teens who commit suicide every year do it for literally no reason. Nope, none at all. That or I suppose they just aren't people to you. Which is it, I wonder? gently caress you Think of the children! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 2, 2015 00:18
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natetimm posted:Being offensive and credibly threatening someone with death are totally the same thing! Being offensive in a way that credibly drives an individual to kill themselves (or kill others) does, however, have rather similar effects to credibly threatening someone with death. But I suppose since crabmonsters probably don't have a central nervous system, you wouldn't comprehend the psychology behind that statement.
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natetimm posted:Think of the children! Lmao okay so you're just going to dismiss a bunch of suicides caused by hate speech. Cool.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:19
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natetimm posted:Think of the children! Not actually people to you, got it.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:gently caress the police, kill the rich, death to America, etc. Go nuts, just don't form a militia or klan rally over it.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:20
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natetimm posted:Emotional harm counts, but not enough to put people in jail over it. If emotional harm counts the why do you trivialize it by calling it "hurt feelings" and "being offended"? And with natetimm posted:Think of the children! in response to child suicide?
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Nov 2, 2015 00:20
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natetimm posted:Think of the children! wow go gently caress yourself crabman
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Rollofthedice posted:Being offensive in a way that credibly drives an individual to kill themselves (or kill others) does, however, have rather similar effects to credibly threatening someone with death. But I suppose since crabmonsters probably don't have a central nervous system, you wouldn't comprehend the psychology behind that statement. This post is very offensive and stereotypical in regards to crab persons. I'll have you know it's hate speech.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:21
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RuanGacho posted:Go nuts, just don't form a militia or klan rally over it.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:22
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natetimm posted:Think of the children! You are absolutely repulsive.
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