Diploid posted:Wanted to add this, even though I'm late. What the hell would you fight Chara with? Frisk has been completely taken over. You have nothing. At all.
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Claven666 posted:sans is the most powerful wizard in the underground, basically. all of his strength is in stats that aren't displayed. Prof already wins in all the displayed stats. Why bother boosting your DEF or HP when he's going to one-shot you no matter how high you get it?
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Nov 3, 2015 22:55
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TheMcD posted:What the hell would you fight Chara with? Frisk has been completely taken over. You have nothing. At all. Yeah, the Fallen Child is the FIGHT command embodied at that point. Conflict is what empowers them. You'd might as well try to put out a fire with gasoline.
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Nov 3, 2015 22:55
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Oxxidation posted:Yeah, the Fallen Child is the FIGHT command embodied at that point. Conflict is what empowers them. You'd might as well try to put out a fire with gasoline. It's notable that right when you fight Asgore you aren't even given the courtesy of selecting the FIGHT command yourself. Prof just attacks him (and then Flowey) without any input from you whatsoever. You may have been in control before but not anymore 
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Nov 3, 2015 23:00
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You already fought Prof. You fought him and beat him in your previous playthrough by resisting the urge to kill monsters and collect LOVE, finding a different way to resolve your problems than violence, learning to understand others and show them basic kindness, and never touching the FIGHT button unless it was to do a wimpy slap while playing with a friend or to show off flashy wrestling techniques on Robot David Bowie's TV Show and get him massive ratings. The only way to beat Prof is by never letting him gain any power in the first place.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:00
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Oxxidation posted:Yeah, the Fallen Child is the FIGHT command embodied at that point. Conflict is what empowers them. You'd might as well try to put out a fire with gasoline. You can do that, though. Hell you can put out fire with high-explosives.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:02
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Diploid posted:Wanted to add this, even though I'm late. But you do fight them. They one shot you. You fed them determination. You fed them LOVE. They win. Game over.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:02
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Dylan16807 posted:108 at that point. Huh, I wonder if this was intentional. Is the max number of kills you can get per run fixed?
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Nov 3, 2015 23:05
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Oxxidation posted:Yeah, the Fallen Child is the FIGHT command embodied at that point. Conflict is what empowers them. You'd might as well try to put out a fire with gasoline. Plus, you pretty much did fight. He went first and immediately one shot you. e:f,b
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Nov 3, 2015 23:06
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Just wanted to weigh in on the Asgore only fighting good little kids bit, one thing no-one else has mentioned about his motives is the fact that he knows the human wants to leave. The only way to leave is if the human merges with a boss soul.. and he's kinda the only one available/worth considering He flat out knows that for them to leave, he has to die, so I see a lot of self sacrifice in his actions as well, he doesn't want to kill the human, he always felt like he was trying to make it easier for you to kill him. But eh, he doesn't want to die either, so he'll take an out if offered. Very much an interpretation though, yeah, could just as easily argue that it'd be way better if he didn't break the Mercy button, so it might have been more on the murdery side with a hint of cowardice at the end. What can I say, I like the loveable old fool, so I prefer my way of seeing him But yeah, one of the biggest queries I have with the genocide run is why Asgore didn't absorb the human souls.. it was mentioned as a plan, and he surely has to realise it would be the safe option given he's the last line of defense for the ones Alphys was hiding somewhere (presumably in the big city)
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Nov 3, 2015 23:07
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RabidWeasel posted:Huh, I wonder if this was intentional. Is the max number of kills you can get per run fixed? No, your kill counter isn't guaranteed to be at 106 when you reach Sans. You can technically have 1 monster left to kill in Hotland but still get into an encounter with 3 enemies anyway. The game doesn't decide that everyone's dead until you go back to the field with the counter at 0.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:07
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RabidWeasel posted:Huh, I wonder if this was intentional. Is the max number of kills you can get per run fixed? Every area has a set number of monsters you have to kill, and there are set bosses, mini-bosses, etc.. So yeah, it's fixed.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:07
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Jia posted:I just think Chara sounds dumb and is a bad name If you pronounce it 'Chara' it doesn't sound so dumb.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:10
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So I read through the pacifist LP, and I shall go no farther, Thank you for the fine lp it was a joy to watch, I will not buy the game and merely cherish the memories of a happy ending.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:10
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RabidWeasel posted:Huh, I wonder if this was intentional. Is the max number of kills you can get per run fixed? There's some variability, both in terms of having the last encounter have multiple monsters, and fixed encounters in the core still triggering after you've killed the randoms.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:11
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Chara is a real name that people in real life have
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Nov 3, 2015 23:12
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Claven666 posted:sans is the most powerful wizard in the underground, basically. all of his strength is in stats that aren't displayed. Sans is the antithesis of Chara in this way. Chara is all about numbers -- reducing everything to numbers, and making the numbers go up. Sans has the lowest stats in the game, but his tactics are all about making numbers irrelevant (denying you turns, etc.). And the player only wins by beating Sans at his own game, so I'd argue it's the skeleton who wins this particular debate, not that it's much comfort.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:15
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As far as a final geno battle against Prof, that's kind of missing the whole point. Prof only exists because you are a relentless mass-murderer. Killing an entire world of innocents and then wanting a final boss battle against the "real" evil is just an excuse to feel like consequences don't apply. You are a murderer. You slaughtered innocents. You had every opportunity to turn back. You explicitly saught out this outcome through boredom and challenges and no matter who it hurt. You are Prof. You made your empty, dusty bed, so go lie in it.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:20
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lets hang out posted:Chara is a real name that people in real life have Chara is the standard latinisation of the Greek word for happiness. =) Speaking of which, I thought this was supposed to be flowey at first but...  
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Nov 3, 2015 23:20
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Sentient Data posted:You made your empty, dusty bed, so go lie in it. Just seems weird to me to go, "Welp, now we have a black screen. Forever. Wanna play again? Reinstall the game."
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Nov 6, 2015 14:27
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Sans said we were going to have a bad time. Maybe you thought he was referring to his boss fight. We just reached it! Also I feel like it's kinda funny that so many things tried to take our soul by force and here we just gave it away.
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Nov 6, 2015 14:30
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I didn't realize Toby was The Devil, but it makes sense.
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Nov 6, 2015 14:30
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Well, that was unexpected. Every time I believe I know what's going to happen, the game does something clever. Also, that's a very, very
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Nov 6, 2015 14:32
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I totally expected to see the next update be this (not even Slowbeef went this deep in I think)
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Nov 6, 2015 14:38
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For clarity: Regular posting schedule now resumes. We are now in Run 3. Spoiler policy remains unchanged until the next run reaches the credits. Posting schedule over the weekend will be inconsistent due to scheduling difficulties.
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Nov 6, 2015 14:41
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TheMcD posted:What the hell would you fight Chara with? Frisk has been completely taken over. You have nothing. At all. We'll beat them with the same tools we've used to beat all the strongest monsters in the game. *FLIRT  edit: source link. RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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Nov 6, 2015 14:48
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Honestly being able to change the course of the geno ending goes absolutely against what the game stands for and what its trying to communicate. You could have turned back but didnt: reap what you sow. Part of me wants there to be more, more Undertale, because its all so much fun and charm and Id love the world to be fleshed out more. but I think its satisfying with what there is. As a story it's complete. I just hope this third run will be Fun though. Considering Prof just sold his soul.
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Nov 6, 2015 15:24
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Prof probably already sold his soul multiple times! Devil Toby's being played like a fool, and there'll be Hell to pay when he finds out!
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Nov 6, 2015 15:32
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RareAcumen posted:We'll beat them with the same tools we've used to beat all the strongest monsters in the game. That artist doesn't really want their stuff reposted without permission, so have a source link.
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Nov 6, 2015 15:37
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But if our 3rd run is without a SOUL... then how can we feel compassion? Won't we basically be Flowey with limbs? I really hope there isn't like a... Genocide++ route where you're soulless  Also, why does Chara/Prof/The Fallen Human even want a SOUL? By their reckoning the world is over and useless because its shown them everything it has to show.
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Nov 6, 2015 15:39
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dscruffy1 posted:Also I feel like it's kinda funny that so many things tried to take our soul by force and here we just gave it away. Technically we bartered it 
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Nov 6, 2015 16:06
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Conot posted:But if our 3rd run is without a SOUL... then how can we feel compassion? Won't we basically be Flowey with limbs? In the genocide run we were already so bad that we scared Flowey. I don't know that it gets much worse. (It probably gets much worse )
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Nov 6, 2015 16:06
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RareAcumen posted:We'll beat them with the same tools we've used to beat all the strongest monsters in the game. This is pretty adorable, even though Chara is a soulless monster.
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Nov 6, 2015 16:10
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I love that we live in a world where a video game explicitly asks you, the player, to sell it your soul in order to continue playing. The greatest microtransaction of them all.
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Nov 6, 2015 16:14
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxYuKKsm6Zo (That's not an Undertale video, but do I still need to put it on Polsy?) I haven't ever seen a No Soul playthrough of this game. I kind of wonder how that will work, given that every monster tries to attack your SOUL and it's kind of a major deal that ASGORE wants it. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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Nov 6, 2015 16:16
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:This is pretty adorable, even though Chara is a soulless monster. Not anymore!
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Nov 6, 2015 16:17
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Joke's on you, game. I already sold my soul for horse armor
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Conot posted:But if our 3rd run is without a SOUL... then how can we feel compassion? Won't we basically be Flowey with limbs? Do you think it was Frisk they were talking to?
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