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MariusLecter posted:Jeb Bush Says U.S. ‘Should Declare War’ in Fight Against Islamic State arnt we already, and wouldn't that sorta of legitimize them as a state.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:45
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The hardest part about sexual assault is making it safe for the victim to report as close to the incident as possible. Giving the victim an opportunity to create a paper-trail early, with the option of going further (and the additional trauma that being questioned about it entails) at a time of their choosing, seems like a good way of doing that. This does mean that even the non-law-enforcement channel is independent of the usual administrative chain of command, in order to fight the perverse incentive to stop victims from taking it further.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:47
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:What an opportunistic shithead. Jokes on him, I would be happy to accept a Syrian refugee family in my home. Also we have a Habitat for Humanity complex down the street from my house filled with Sudanese refugees, and every single one I've met is an awesome friendly person.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:48
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i guess my problem is after stuff like the rolling stones case and the matress case. i kinda of want a official investigation to go along with the colleges. that or you have incidents where the colleges sweep poo poo under the rug and tell the victims to keep quiet. What was the deal with the mattress case?
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Nov 16, 2015 19:50
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We have a big Serbian population here and they're cool. One family owns a really good pizza place. They make deep dish pizza and it is delicious. How is Syrian pizza? Their church is kind of weird though because it's right next to a graveyard and it looks so plain. No fancy windows at all.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:51
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Minneapolis has the country's population of Somalian refugees and Certain People have been mad about that for decades.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:52
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Mulva posted:Jokes on him, I would be happy to accept a Syrian refugee family in my home. Also we have a Habitat for Humanity complex down the street from my house filled with Sudanese refugees, and every single one I've met is an awesome friendly person. Aren't there a poo poo load of houses that were foreclosed on like 5-8 years ago? Maybe give those refugee families one of those... oh wait that's socialism and we can't have that 
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Nov 16, 2015 19:55
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How Twitter stole a woman from her family
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Nov 16, 2015 19:55
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Oh poo poo guys, we finally got her! We've got her this time! It took 25 years of non-stop investigations but we finally got that bitch Hillary! BREAKINGhttp://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/breaking-email-reveals-hillary-clinton-was-often-confused quote:The Abedin email material contains a January 26, 2013, email exchange with Clinton aide Monica Hanley regarding Clinton’s schedule in which Abedin says Clinton is “often confused:” SOMEONE REFERRED TO CLINTON AS OFTEN CONFUSED PEOPLE, IT'S ALL OVER WE DID IT
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Nov 16, 2015 19:55
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Dapper_Swindler posted:arnt we already, and wouldn't that sorta of legitimize them as a state. It should be mandatory for you to join the military if you ever vote for a Bush, since the obvious immediate aftermath of them winning is a large scale foreign war.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:55
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Luigi Thirty posted:Minneapolis has the country's population of Somalian refugees and Certain People have been mad about that for decades. Because that group is vulnerable to and has responded to recruitment by ISIS and other groups.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:57
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MariusLecter posted:Jeb Bush Says U.S. ‘Should Declare War’ in Fight Against Islamic State 2016 GOP: Words are much more important than actions.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:57
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The Warszawa posted:What was the deal with the mattress case? she lied about a ton of poo poo including falsely accusing a guy of rape and basically made the case into an art project for a grade.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:59
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Dapper_Swindler posted:arnt we already, and wouldn't that sorta of legitimize them as a state. Republicans have been paying zero attention to the middle east, it's really amazing to see all of them saying "We need to start fighting ISIS!" The right wing talk radio all morning was talking about how Obama's strategy obviously isn't working. The thing is, ISIS is losing major cities and this attack was pulled off by 8 people. It's not like this was an invading assault force of 1000 fighters. Killing 130 people is very shocking but ISIS is losing far more than that. For shock value, ISIS is very powerful, but statistically they're really pathetically weak.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:59
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:We have a big Serbian population here and they're cool. One family owns a really good pizza place. They make deep dish pizza and it is delicious. How is Syrian pizza? Syrian food on the whole is pretty awesome. We had a restaurant owned by a Syrian family but it burned down and they had no insurance. 
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Nov 16, 2015 19:59
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Talmonis posted:It's unacceptable to belittle the fears of people in the wake of a purposeful slaughter of a large number of innocents by a tiny group of monsters. People have every right to be worried about something happening here, as it's not only promised by the same ones who did so in paris, but predicted by our own intelligence agencies. There is no "just ignore it" option. They will not go away. They will kill as many innocent people as they can in as grusome and inhumane ways as they can, until either their capacity to do so is eliminated, or they win their insane war against all non-arab, non-salafists. No actually it is always acceptable to belittle dumbshit bigots having dumbshit ideas. It may not be the most effective way to make an argument or to accomplish anything, but "wahhhh don't belittle my fears!!" is a complete joke and non-starter. Your fears are idiotic and so are you.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:01
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crazy cloud posted:No actually it is always acceptable to belittle dumbshit bigots having dumbshit ideas. It may not be the most effective way to make an argument or to accomplish anything, but "wahhhh don't belittle my fears!!" is a complete joke and non-starter. Your fears are idiotic and so are you. Why are you intolerant of his intolerance! Ugh you jackbooted thug!
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Nov 16, 2015 20:02
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Dapper_Swindler posted:she lied about a ton of poo poo including falsely accusing a guy of rape and basically made the case into an art project for a grade. I'm not sure I'm thinking of the right case - if this is Emma Sulkowicz, I don't think it was determined that she lied at all, just that he was found not responsible by the university and the police didn't arrest him after she filed her report. I know there's a lawsuit against the university by the student she accused pending, but I don't know the details.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:03
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Mulva posted:Syrian food on the whole is pretty awesome. We had a restaurant owned by a Syrian family but it burned down and they had no insurance. I want to try some but I'm in Arkansas so.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:04
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Amergin posted:Because that group is vulnerable to and has responded to recruitment by ISIS and other groups.  This is why I hate this topic so much. It isn't right to condemn innocent people, but young, disenfranchised men are easy to radicalize. There is no easy answer.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:04
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crazy cloud posted:No actually it is always acceptable to belittle dumbshit bigots having dumbshit ideas. It may not be the most effective way to make an argument or to accomplish anything, but "wahhhh don't belittle my fears!!" is a complete joke and non-starter. Your fears are idiotic and so are you. The downside is drawing in people who're just there for the verbal abuse and the risk of being overrun.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:06
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Giving into unfounded fears and anger can only do good things for a country, as the heady post-911 days show us
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Nov 16, 2015 20:07
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The Warszawa posted:I'm not sure I'm thinking of the right case - if this is Emma Sulkowicz, I don't think it was determined that she lied at all, just that he was found not responsible by the university and the police didn't arrest him after she filed her report. I know there's a lawsuit against the university by the student she accused pending, but I don't know the details. Yeah he was never found not guilty, the University just had one of those stupid plans in place to bypass police by dealing with it as an on-campus problem and they resolved it. The mattress was basically in response to the University not taking her claims seriously. He's suing the school for letting her do it and the university has asked it be dismissed due to first amendment rights. Haven't heard anything on it since that point (at the end of August) though.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:07
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crazy cloud posted:No actually it is always acceptable to belittle dumbshit bigots having dumbshit ideas. It may not be the most effective way to make an argument or to accomplish anything, but "wahhhh don't belittle my fears!!" is a complete joke and non-starter. Your fears are idiotic and so are you. Bigotry did not come into the quoted statement that I responded to. Bigotry is unacceptable, and is what is going to happen when more innocent people are massacred. What radbot did was compare it to auto accidents and mock anyone who worries about Paris happening here as "quivering cowards." It's macho bullshit, and you can gently caress right off with it. I hope you remember mocking people for worrying about attacks after the next one. MariusLecter posted:Why are you intolerant of his intolerance! Ugh you jackbooted thug! Please source a quote of intolerance.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:13
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The hardest part about sexual assault is making it safe for the victim to report as close to the incident as possible. Giving the victim an opportunity to create a paper-trail early, with the option of going further (and the additional trauma that being questioned about it entails) at a time of their choosing, seems like a good way of doing that. This does mean that even the non-law-enforcement channel is independent of the usual administrative chain of command, in order to fight the perverse incentive to stop victims from taking it further. This makes sense, but I wish there was a greater focus on victim protection and improving access and documentation within the legal system which would both benefit far greater numbers of victims, and work to bring actual, legal consequences for sexual assault.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:14
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Zelder posted:Giving into unfounded fears and anger can only do good things for a country, as the heady post-911 days show us Nobody here has proposed giving into the fear and anger. But it's macho bullshit to piss on scared people, who have every right to be afraid.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:15
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The hardest part about sexual assault is making it safe for the victim to report as close to the incident as possible. Giving the victim an opportunity to create a paper-trail early, with the option of going further (and the additional trauma that being questioned about it entails) at a time of their choosing, seems like a good way of doing that. This does mean that even the non-law-enforcement channel is independent of the usual administrative chain of command, in order to fight the perverse incentive to stop victims from taking it further. This. This is important. And something that the law doesn't address at all. In my experience working with the administration at my school, they're more concerned about covering their and the school's asses than justice. Which is fine when you're evaluating how to put on a school event, but a terrible way to investigate misconduct and conduct any disciplinary procedures. A school shouldn't be able to carry out major, life-changing, disciplinary proceedings (expulsion or long term suspension) against someone without being held to much higher standards than they are now. A school should also do everything in its power to encourage reporting of all crimes, including sexual assault and harassment. It can track reports, assist in investigations, perform minor disciplinary actions (shifting schedules, moving students to different housing, protection notices, short suspensions), and provide support to victims. But schools tend to be woefully ill-equipped to perform the heavy lifting of investigating and determining guilt. I'd rather a school be prevented from taking major actions against students for all crimes, not just sexual assaults. But that needs to be combined with strong efforts to make it easier to report crimes, and stronger due process protections for the accused. The 'reasonable doubt' test needs to come back.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:26
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Talmonis posted:Nobody here has proposed giving into the fear and anger. But Cool, thanks.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:33
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MariusLecter posted:Cool, thanks. You're setting up a false dichotomy here. You can address people's fears without giving into them.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:36
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States refusing refugees up to: FL IL, IN, LA, AR, MI, AL, TX, NC So it sounds like the refugees are dodging some bullets (except for North Carolina and Texas, they're pretty nice).
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Nov 16, 2015 20:36
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You're setting up a false dichotomy here. You can address people's fears without giving into them. Your fears are stupid and infantile. There.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:38
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Rand Paul told reporters he's readying a bill that would prohibit allowing refugees from as many as 30 countries with "jihadist ties". 
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Nov 16, 2015 20:39
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zoux posted:Rand Paul told reporters he's readying a bill that would prohibit allowing refugees from as many as 30 countries with "jihadist ties". I wonder if Indonesia will end up on the list somehow
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Nov 16, 2015 20:40
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But the Christian ones are still cool though, right?
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Nov 16, 2015 20:41
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MariusLecter posted:Your fears are stupid and infantile. Then for you as well, I hope you remember this after the next attack. Or is it that you just don't give a poo poo since it's statistically "Less common than auto accidents?"
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Nov 16, 2015 20:43
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zoux posted:Rand Paul told reporters he's readying a bill that would prohibit allowing refugees from as many as 30 countries with "jihadist ties". It's impressive that he can find time to do such a thing while he's busy campaigning for president of the Ron Paul fan club
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Nov 16, 2015 20:44
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MariusLecter posted:Your fears are stupid and infantile. Even I don't find that convincing. You're welcome to not care about people's concerns, but when they form a large constituency, in a democracy you have to do better than that (and in a dictatorship, it would cost a lot of resources in suppression, and reduces stability). Good leaders know how to address people's fear while promoting policy that will deal with real problems. Unfortunately there are not a lot of those around, definitely not out of the ones running for President.
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Nov 16, 2015 20:44
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So two things here: 1. It's pretty funny that these states are saying this when they have no say over refugees. The Feds handle where people actually go. So this is only some gross cheap political scoring. 2. Obama actually did send a Declaration of War bill against ISIS to Congress earlier this year, but it was voted down by Republicans who said it was not needed since he is already authorized to attack them based on the 2001 AUMF that has been used to justify all of the drone strikes and other things barely related to Al Qaeda over the last 14 years.
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Taerkar posted:It's impressive that he can find time to do such a thing while he's busy campaigning for president of the Ron Paul fan club It's gonna be a rough couple of weeks politically unless you absolutely hate Muslims. If you see disturbing parallels between anti-Muslim rhetoric and other bigoted rhetoric of the American past, well, too bad.
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