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sellouts
Apr 23, 2003

I can't navigate for poo poo with the road structures in orbx fsx. Also the lights suck in comparison.

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INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
I've literally found my house in default X-Plane with IFR (I'm following roads) as in get off the freeway at this exit, take a right, go one block, left turn, two blocks down, right turn, and 3 more blocks down.

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
How are helicopter physics in x-plane? Are they like in DCS? I ask because I just found a cool Sikorsky that is tempting.

cool new Metroid game
Oct 7, 2009

hail satan

chopper physics in xplane are a poo poo load better than default fsx, I have a couple of dreamfoil payware xpx choppers that are really well done.

x-plane's auto 'believable' cities are alright for gridded US cities but in the UK and europe they all look terrible. after several dozens of gigs of free mods they look pretty decent though.

McDeth
Jan 12, 2005
DCS 2.0 Apha is out (including NTTR)!

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/2.0/

Expect to die of old age before your download completes however.

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
So it looks like I picked a good time to get into X-Plane as I was able to pick it up on sale, along with the recommended Cessna, and a DC3. So far I have flown the Cessna to my house and now I have spent the rest of the time downloading mods and add ons.

Also, now I kind of want a yoke. I don't know what is wrong with me since I feel I should probably get a CH stick, pedals, and throttle before I get a yoke, but it still makes me want one for my DC3 adventures.

jadebullet fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Dec 1, 2015

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003

the default baron is great, don't write it off because it's included.

I also really like the Corvallis.

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




I hope to get the X-aviation DC3 at some point too. Some of my most fun simming moments have been flying on the P3D default Constellation, listening to 40's swing jazz and doing vor-to-vor navigation. So relaxing, but also gives you a bit more to do compared to modern autopilots where you just let the plane fly for hours.

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003

In xplane even the autopilots are adventures

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I bit the bullet and bought X-Plane 10.

Out of the box, there are some things it does so much better than stock FSX. The roads are more detailed, the night lighting is incredible and the handling seems somewhat more realistic, if a bit touchier compared to my experiences in real aircraft.

That being said, it is by no means a perfect experience. Where the sim decides to place buildings is... odd. Flying along roads you sometimes see tons of houses where there should be none and empty streets that should be full suburbs. This is kinda the opposite of FSX's 'Draw major roads and fill everything with tiles' where you can see major roads (and quite a lot more if you shell out for stuff like OrbX) but it's all laid on top of generic 'this area is a suburb, this area is farm acreage' that leads to the fact that no, in a lot of neighbourhoods you won't be picking out individual streets.

Controls are easier to map but for the breadth of detail you have, there's no option to save control profiles per aircraft. FSX doesn't have this either without third party addons but honestly that's an omission I didn't expect from the X-Plane devs.

A few oddities here and there. TrackIR support was so terrible the first thing I had to do was find a plugin, which I did fairly easily. I couldn't get the Baron 58s flood lights to turn on despite hitting the right switch and trying to use the light intensity knobs and the axis assignments seem to go all wonky from time to time.

Also, some minor grass fields around Winnipeg (where I tested all this) that were included in stock FSX weren't present in X-Plane. The airfields were also way more generic.

Overall, I have 115 minutes logged and I'm torn between keeping it and trying it out to see if overall it is a better platform or getting a Steam refund and just sticking with FSX full time.

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
For the XP10 newbies here's a list of addons to improve the graphics and scenery that I've personally used.

FREEWARE
HD Mesh V3: HD meshes.
http://www.alpilotx.net/downloads/x-plane-10-hd-mesh-scenery-v3/

World2Xplane: OSM vector road data, user-submitted custom buildings. Some cities literally have every road and building modeled in 3D and its like flying via Google maps.
http://simheaven.com/?page_id=3091

Prefab Airports: Adds a generic ramp, buildings, and static aircraft for the 30,000+ small strips
http://www.4xplane.nl

RealTerraHaze: Custom plugin to modify the default atmospheric effects.
http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=22387

PAYWARE Addons:
SkyMaxx Pro: Better looking and performing clouds. $40
http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/skymaxx-pro-p-115

UrbanMaxx: A set of generic city tiles for those who want a busier cityscape without the rendering load of heavy autogen. $8
http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/urbanmaxx-p-102

Freeware airport scenery can be found at x-plane.org site. http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads

MisterX has some excellent sceneries for KSFO, KLAX, KSAN, KPHX, and PAJN.

The x-plane scenery gateway (http://gateway.x-plane.com/airports/page) contains user-submitted airports made via the built in world editor. These are slowly being rolled in to the default install with each software update.

The X-Plane.org store http://store.x-plane.org is a great resource for payware aircraft and sceneries. Stuff goes on sale pretty regularly here so watch something for a week or two before paying full price.

INTJ Mastermind fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Dec 1, 2015

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003

Why the hell would you get a refund for xplane? The night flying alone is worth it.

SoapyTarantula
Jun 3, 2011

Lipstick Apathy
I've had XP10 for months and feel its a better overall experience, even if some stuff is unbelievably clunky. I don't play it often (read: within the last 4 months) because I'm too invested into FSX to just stop using it and I don't really have the hard drive space for both, especially with FSX already taking up more than 250 gigs in addons.

It definitely seemed like the freeware stuff for XP10 was miles ahead of the FSX equivalent. I found a Piper J3 that was easily comparable to the A2A Cub for FSX and it cost all of $0. Also if you're interested in flying helicopters at all then XP10 is the automatic choice thanks to FSX helicopter flight model being absolutely dreadful.

tl;dr - XP10 flying is much closer to the real thing from personal experience with both sims and real planes. But if you're already invested into FSX then I'd just spend the $$$ from a refund on more poo poo for it.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

INTJ Mastermind posted:

For the XP10 newbies here's a list of addons to improve the graphics and scenery that I've personally used.

FREEWARE
HD Mesh V3: HD meshes.
http://www.alpilotx.net/downloads/x-plane-10-hd-mesh-scenery-v3/

World2Xplane: OSM vector road data, user-submitted custom buildings. Some cities literally have every road and building modeled in 3D and its like flying via Google maps.
http://simheaven.com/?page_id=3091

Prefab Airports: Adds a generic ramp, buildings, and static aircraft for the 30,000+ small strips
http://www.4xplane.nl

RealTerraHaze: Custom plugin to modify the default atmospheric effects.
http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=22387

PAYWARE Addons:
SkyMaxx Pro: Better looking and performing clouds. $40
http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/skymaxx-pro-p-115

UrbanMaxx: A set of generic city tiles for those who want a busier cityscape without the rendering load of heavy autogen. $8
http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/urbanmaxx-p-102

Freeware airport scenery can be found at x-plane.org site. http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads

MisterX has some excellent sceneries for KSFO, KLAX, KSAN, KPHX, and PAJN.

The x-plane scenery gateway (http://gateway.x-plane.com/airports/page) contains user-submitted airports made via the built in world editor. These are slowly being rolled in to the default install with each software update.

The X-Plane.org store http://store.x-plane.org is a great resource for payware aircraft and sceneries. Stuff goes on sale pretty regularly here so watch something for a week or two before paying full price.
Thanks for this

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

I'll put that in the OP once my computer is back up and running. Which may not be until February.

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
So I really have no idea what I am doing in regard to navigation beyond VFR. Does anyone know of any good guides for learning navigation techniques beyond following land marks?

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
Try the xplane.org flight school here.

http://forums.x-plane.org/?showforum=33

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
There are presumably better places to learn this stuff but I learned a lot in the flight school portion of the X-Plane.org forums since it has poo poo that I could replicate in game easily.

http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showforum=33

e: goddamn it

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I want to learn advanced VFR and IFR, as in, navigating by stopwatch and E6B.

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




EvilJoven posted:

I want to learn advanced VFR and IFR, as in, navigating by stopwatch and E6B.

This is of interest to me as well. One of the coolest things I've learned has been calculating TAS with a stopwatch and VOR range meter. And then calculating top-of-descent from that. These things are really fun to learn.

distance = feet / 1000 *3
feet per minute = TAS / 2 * 10

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

EvilJoven posted:

I want to learn advanced VFR and IFR, as in, navigating by stopwatch and E6B.

Dead reckoning isn't advanced IFR, it's an emergency procedure.

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!

MrYenko posted:

Dead reckoning isn't advanced IFR, it's an emergency procedure.

EvilJoven posted:

I want to learn advanced VFR and IFR, as in, navigating by stopwatch and E6B.

Former Air Force 747 pilot teaches you math.

http://code7700.com/flight_math.html

INTJ Mastermind fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Dec 1, 2015

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

jadebullet posted:

So I really have no idea what I am doing in regard to navigation beyond VFR. Does anyone know of any good guides for learning navigation techniques beyond following land marks?

I'm actually an instrument ground instructor and CFI IRL, I'd be happy to answer any questions.


I'd start here, it's a bit dry, but it's free:
https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/media/FAA-H-8083-15B.pdf

There's also Chapter 1 of the AIM, which is exceptionally dry but a bit more concise, it's also free. https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/media/aim_basic_4-03-14.pdf

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

lobsterminator posted:

This is of interest to me as well. One of the coolest things I've learned has been calculating TAS with a stopwatch and VOR range meter. And then calculating top-of-descent from that. These things are really fun to learn.

distance = feet / 1000 *3
feet per minute = TAS / 2 * 10

You can also calculate time to the VOR as well.

Say you're on a radial, if you turn 10° right, then time how long it takes to go 10° over to another radial, that's how long it will take to get to the VOR, if you know your ground speed you can also calculate distance to the station as well

I only used 10° as an example, it can be any combination of degrees as long as it's not excessive, usually 5 or 10 though.


Also if you're 60 miles from a VOR, 1° = 1mi. So with that and some math, if you calculate your ground speed and are more or less abeam the station flying perpendicular to the radials, you can calculate how far you are from the station.

groundspeed/60 to get miles per minute,
then find out how much time it takes to go 1°
that time divided by miles per minute to get distance traveled
that distance times 60 to figure out distance to the station

e.pilot fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Dec 2, 2015

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck

jadebullet posted:

So I really have no idea what I am doing in regard to navigation beyond VFR. Does anyone know of any good guides for learning navigation techniques beyond following land marks?

Go here:

http://pilotcerts.laartcc.org/page/Home

Go through all the material for each rating. You don't need to fly the flight on VATSIM, but it's fun. You could fly the tests offline and just double check yourself, or not fly them at all and just use the web material.

It's pared down for flight sim use but it still covers a lot of material.

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
After you master the basics of flying, if you want to learn about real word procedures, you need to watch this playlist from PilotEdge. It's a very comprehensive course on VFR and IFR flight. It's a bit droning but I learned so much after watching this.

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck

INTJ Mastermind posted:

After you master the basics of flying, if you want to learn about real word procedures, you need to watch this playlist from PilotEdge. It's a very comprehensive course on VFR and IFR flight. It's a bit droning but I learned so much after watching this.

The pilot edge guy made the certification page I linked above. They have the same program on the PE network as well.

http://training.pilotedge.net/page/overview

The ratings page is almost copy/pasted. It's a good program. DO THE RATINGS!!!

The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Dec 2, 2015

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

The Ferret King posted:

The pilot edge guy made the certification page I linked above. They have the same program on the PE network as well.

http://training.pilotedge.net/page/overview

The ratings page is almost copy/pasted. It's a good program. DO THE RATINGS!!!

I forgot about these, these are really good to as they're geared towards sims.


This is a good book too if you don't like money, which you're in to sims so obviously you don't.
http://www.amazon.com/Scenario-Base...lane+instrument

aunt jenkins
Jan 12, 2001

The Ferret King posted:

The pilot edge guy made the certification page I linked above. They have the same program on the PE network as well.

http://training.pilotedge.net/page/overview

The ratings page is almost copy/pasted. It's a good program. DO THE RATINGS!!!

:eng101: The PE ratings are actually updated over the original ZLA ratings and have more supporting material, including videos of most of them being flown :eng101:

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
Well, I learned the hard way, don't spend hours installing a poo poo ton of content into X-Plane without testing because everything is horribly broken. Time to do a full reinstall of it and try again.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
My credit card number got stolen.

For all I know there was a skimmer at the beer store I hit up but if you bought from flightsimstore.com, simmarket.com or fspilotshop.com you might want to check your poo poo.

Fortunately the sketchy charges made at some US travel agency never went through (and even if they did I wouldn't have been liable for them) but its still a pain. Now I can't buy poo poo online until my new card shows up.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
I made this for one of my students, but it ended up detailed enough I decided to make a bit more generic and applicable to everyone.

It's about calculating descents and top of descents and explains the math behind a couple of easy to do in your head formulas.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1Pk6Sg9jhWTVnVhV3ZoNGpTRm8/view?usp=sharing

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
So for the people that have experience with X-Plane 10, I have run into an issue. I am trying to file a flight plan. I open the ATC menu, select "file flight plan" enter my starting airport(philly) ending airport (Reading) and my cruising altitude. When I click file route though, it just quits out of the ATC window and nothing new appears in the menu. From the things I have read, I should have requests for departure and the like.

I had the tower dialed in on the comm panel and the radio turned on(I was able to hear chatter) but that didn't help anything.

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
Depending on the airport you need to file a flight plan with clearance or ground. I'm on a phone and can't check for sure but Philly should have a frequency for clearance. It will give you a list of available frequencies on the map if you click on the airport.

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!


I don't understand, are you not seeing the route field or aren't able to call for clearance? The map view shows frequencies for all the airports, they sometimes don't match published ones, and I think there's a "Show closest ATC" option that pops up a window to let you click to tune to nearby controllers.

Also do you have a button bound to Contact ATC? It might be Enter by default.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



jadebullet posted:

So for the people that have experience with X-Plane 10, I have run into an issue. I am trying to file a flight plan. I open the ATC menu, select "file flight plan" enter my starting airport(philly) ending airport (Reading) and my cruising altitude. When I click file route though, it just quits out of the ATC window and nothing new appears in the menu. From the things I have read, I should have requests for departure and the like.

I had the tower dialed in on the comm panel and the radio turned on(I was able to hear chatter) but that didn't help anything.

You have to look up the clearance delivery frequency. use the map and click on airports to see their radios because xplane doesn't have all the same freqs as real life. Also you can use the one of the menu options towards the right of the menu ribbon will open up a quick ATC comms window and automatically switch your frequency which can be handy when you're trying to figure what the gently caress random atc xplane wants you on.

also good luck, I don't know what's changed but I've been having a poo poo time recently with the X-Plane ATC centers giving me weird approaches and never handing me off to the destination tower. I basically just ignore the whole system at this point. most people are going to recommend you just use vatsim or ignore the thing. xplane atc is just so loving bad

ethanol fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Dec 6, 2015

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Hey whats a good third party GPS addon that will let me update with something like a Navigraph subscription. I know there's one out there that requires a Garmin sub but that sub is expensive as gently caress. I don't care if it's 2D panel only.

Not vasFMC, I want one that works well with GA aircraft.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

EvilJoven posted:

Hey whats a good third party GPS addon that will let me update with something like a Navigraph subscription. I know there's one out there that requires a Garmin sub but that sub is expensive as gently caress. I don't care if it's 2D panel only.

Not vasFMC, I want one that works well with GA aircraft.

Fltplan.com has an iPad and android app and it's free, not as full featured as foreflight or garmin pilot, but you can't beat free


e:
Android
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fltplan.go&hl=en

iPad
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fltplan-go/id694832363?mt=8

iPhone
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fltplan-go-for-iphone/id895187253?mt=8

e.pilot fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Dec 6, 2015

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I'm more looking one that meshes with the aircraft so I can fly using a GPS that has updated nav data, including RNAV approaches.

EDIT: From the look of it, RealityXP's 530 is the most popular but I hear that despite it being sold the developers went dark

EDIT2: RealityXP navdata is impossible to update past 2011. Forget that, then.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

EvilJoven fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Dec 6, 2015

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The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck
Well, the RealityXP 530 relies on Garmin updates anyway, so that sorta excludes it for your needs right?

The data provided by Garmin for their training tools works, but it's only updated every year or two, I think.

Edit: I'm pretty sure I found a 2014 Garmin update using a Google search. But you're right, it's not up to date like Navigraph.

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