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Iraq War Cheerleader Nick Cohen posted:If you want to be a true liberal Ah well Nick, there's (one of) your (many, many) problem(s).
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thehustler posted:Apparently the police have arrested some of GBC's Legal Observers in Birmingham and nobody knows why. Any ideas phoon? the two legal observers I saw didn't seem to be having any trouble with the cops (a short middle aged man and woman)
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Feb 6, 2016 23:16
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Junior G-man posted:Well given that we are all rational actors seeking to optimize our advantage, short-term discomfort can often lead to greater material rewards. So the UK is deporting all these far sighted, self starting entrepreneurs!?! Anti-immigration is anti-prosperity!
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Feb 6, 2016 23:16
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I wish Nick Cohen would trip into a shredder.
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Feb 6, 2016 23:17
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namesake posted:So the UK is deporting all these far sighted, self starting entrepreneurs!?! Anti-immigration is anti-prosperity! I know, with that mindset they'd all be pro-austerity voters that ol' George could snap up in a moment. EDIT: Also, I'm reading Robert Fisk's Great War for Civilization, which is awesome and makes people like Nick 'Snivelling' Cohen look live even more of a small-minded arse. Junior G-man fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Feb 6, 2016 23:19
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The Times issues a dire warning in today's front-page scare-story. Article is paywalled, but you only really need the first few paragraphs to get the gist of it.
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Feb 6, 2016 23:29
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I'm not sure what to make of that. On one hand, state schools are getting better (or independent schools worse) which is a good thing for most people. On the other, it means that couple from the Telegraph might not have to sell their second home to send their child to a private school, meaning that it will instead have to be expropriated. And on a third hand, does that mean that Gove has been doing something right? Or has all this happened somehow despite the academies and free schools?
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Feb 6, 2016 23:42
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Guavanaut posted:I'm not sure what to make of that. What it probably means is that state schools are getting better at playing the system of targets which private schools have been doing for decades. For example schools now are deliberately classifying new pupils as low as possible so they can claim the biggest possible improvement in their skills.
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Feb 6, 2016 23:58
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jabby posted:What it probably means is that state schools are getting better at playing the system of targets which private schools have been doing for decades. For example schools now are deliberately classifying new pupils as low as possible so they can claim the biggest possible improvement in their skills. Well, given that schools are designed to make you do well at tests, it's only reasonable to expect the schools themselves to get good at tests in the process 
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Feb 7, 2016 00:22
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Tesseraction posted:I wanted to reply to this but it seems you've been struck down with probation syndrome. Arent they (our gov) loving with echr stuff tho? i mean if they are already dont you think they will more outside of eu.
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Feb 7, 2016 00:57
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Seaside Loafer posted:Arent they (our gov) loving with echr stuff tho? i mean if they are already dont you think they will more outside of eu. They want to, but the fact that they haven't been able to yet would suggest that they're discovering that they can't while we remain in the EU and party to the relevant treaties.
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Feb 7, 2016 00:59
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Seaside Loafer posted:Arent they (our gov) loving with echr stuff tho? i mean if they are already dont you think they will more outside of eu. They were trying to gently caress with it and had to back off because it would anull the Good Friday Agreement.
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Feb 7, 2016 00:59
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Seaside Loafer posted:Arent they (our gov) loving with echr stuff tho? i mean if they are already dont you think they will more outside of eu.
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Feb 7, 2016 01:06
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On the one hand. Leaving the EU is bad. On the other hand, I would like to see Brits whine about how it's the EU's fault for letting us vote ourselves out while the country sinks under the ocean.
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Feb 7, 2016 01:17
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Guavanaut posted:They want to replace the HRA with a weaker British Bill of Rights, but they can't supersede the supremacy of the ECHR, inside the EU or out.
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Feb 7, 2016 01:18
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I'm sure any British bill of rights would largely identical to the echr, save for an addendum reading "these rights cannot be violated, unless you're a terrorist, or we really really want to"
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Feb 7, 2016 01:52
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Nick Cohen quits the left one more time to join the now defunct BNP. Nobody gives a poo poo.
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Feb 7, 2016 02:04
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Gonzo McFee posted:Nick Cohen quits the left one more time to join the now defunct BNP. posting from 2003 are you?
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Feb 7, 2016 02:06
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"My name is Nick Cohen and I'm here to tell you I'm quitting the left because they won't let me be a massive racist oval office."
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Feb 7, 2016 02:14
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Off topic, but Gonzo what IS your avatar's dude blowing on?
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Feb 7, 2016 02:30
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If we quit the eu can we buy the good light bulbs/hoovers again?
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Feb 7, 2016 02:30
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Probably we could, actually.
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Feb 7, 2016 02:32
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That said, LED lightbulbs are lower power and bright as poo poo. I fuckin' love them.
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Feb 7, 2016 02:33
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Tesseraction posted:Off topic, but Gonzo what IS your avatar's dude blowing on? It is a horse's behind.
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Feb 7, 2016 02:39
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big scary monsters posted:It is a horse's behind. I guess I'll never understand the pro-Union side.
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Feb 7, 2016 02:47
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Tesseraction posted:Probably we could, actually. It's gonna take a lot of arguing for a stay vote then.
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Feb 7, 2016 03:42
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Tesseraction posted:That said, LED lightbulbs are lower power and bright as poo poo. I fuckin' love them. Incandescent lightbulbs are poo poo for everything unless you need them outside or to warm up a chemical bath or something. Compact fluorescent lightbulbs manage to be the worst of both worlds for both.
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Feb 7, 2016 04:01
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I hope we leave europe. I want the racist right wing to sort of implode whilst taking the the FYGM-right wing out as collateral damage.
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Feb 7, 2016 04:23
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winegums posted:I hope we leave europe. I want the racist right wing to sort of implode whilst taking the the FYGM-right wing out as collateral damage. Yep, them getting everything they want is definitely going to cause them to implode. Seriously, this logic is weird as hell.
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Feb 7, 2016 04:30
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Darth Walrus posted:Yep, them getting everything they want is definitely going to cause them to implode. Not at all. The right wing is a broadish church of people who hate foreign people and others who just don't want to pay taxes but actually quite like their black/asian/european/etc colleagues. Europe/immigration is one of those issues that really fissures the right and has fostered a UKIP feed. The business-type right wingers and the little-englanders are going to tear each other apart.
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Feb 7, 2016 05:07
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big scary monsters posted:It is a horse's behind. If I remember rightly he's actually shaking his head at the horse farting whilst he pretends the horse's fart is the wrestler he was feuding with trying to speak, hence the quote below, Terry Funk was some boy back in the day. So is the general take away from yesterday's Birmingham fash demonstration that the fash didn't really show up in any significant amount and West Midlands Police actually dealt with the two groups fairly? They've actually always seemed to be one of the less poo poo police forces in the country (after the PSNI who have been forced into being not poo poo because of how poo poo the RUC were). I should probably try to not be the police defending socialist if I want to avoid the list so ACAB I guess.
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Feb 7, 2016 09:37
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free regarde aduck
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Feb 7, 2016 09:55
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Tesseraction posted:Off topic, but Gonzo what IS your avatar's dude blowing on?  Also the lack of self awareness is that article. Libya is a mess. You know, for some reason. I think it was an act of god? Or maybe they're just inherently savage and uncivilised people? Oh, we bombed them with no plan for what should happen afterwards, in a miniature rerun of Iraq? I don't see why that should make a difference 
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Feb 7, 2016 10:20
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Nick Cohen is a 12th type of liberalism all by himself Also, has anyone seen Pegida saying they want to do midlands demos monthly? Missed the Antifa meetup so went to the UAF one this time. Trots selling papers to trots selling papers to trots.
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Feb 7, 2016 11:14
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winegums posted:I hope we leave europe. I want the racist right wing to sort of implode whilst taking the the FYGM-right wing out as collateral damage. Leaving Europe at this moment is a terrible idea because while they are indeed on a rightward march, the people who want out only want out so we can sprint that way instead. I'll take neoliberalism if the alternative is whatever evil the Tories have planned.
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Feb 7, 2016 12:05
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Yeah with both the leave and remain camps being argued in rightwing terms either result will strengthen that position more than it will open opportunities for the leftwing reasons for leave or remain. I'd rather stay as a rebuff to the national xenophobia we currently have (and deal with the EU centric xenophobia), especially if the economic case for the EU is weakening itself on its own.
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Feb 7, 2016 13:07
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If you could guarantee me a Corbyn (or similarly left-wing) Labour win in 2020, I'd vote leave in a heartbeat, but without the constraints of the EU, the government (and the voters) we're likely to have for the next decade are one terrorist incident away from mining the channel and bricking up the tunnel.
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Feb 7, 2016 14:01
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hookerbot 5000 posted:Trigonometric identities are a nightmare when you're learning - there's a bajillion of them and you'll be reading something where it'll be going along nicely then just randomly mention one as if it is common knowledge. 
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Feb 7, 2016 14:29
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I wonder what will happen to UKIP after the referendum.
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If it ends up going Leave, there will be a brief moment of gloating, followed by an absence of purpose that leads to them becoming an American-libertarian 'not-racist' party wandering in the wilderness and eventually becoming as irrelevant as the BNP. If it ends up going Remain, they will keep doing as they always have and agitating for leaving the EU through political channels instead of democratic ones at some nebulous point in the future, especially if the result is close like 45% or something.
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