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JFairfax posted:also corbyn is very popular in bristol This is also bad for Corbyn.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:So Bristol UKMTers, was the Labour victory for mayor seen as a foregone conclusion or was it a bit surprising?
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/08/sadiq-khan-jeremy-corbyn-labour-election-strategyquote:In a clear signal that he will use his position to set out an alternative direction for Labour, Britain’s most powerful directly elected politician said the party could only win elections by uniting people from all backgrounds – including former Conservative voters – rather than aiming to win over “just enough of the population … to get over the line”. This is bad for Corbyn...
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Alan BStard posted:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/08/sadiq-khan-jeremy-corbyn-labour-election-strategy It's a weird statement to make considering how divisive the Khan vs Goldsmith election turned out to be.
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Alan BStard posted:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/08/sadiq-khan-jeremy-corbyn-labour-election-strategy Not exactly a shock since he spent a lot of his campaign running away from Corbyn as fast as possible. He always sounds very embarrassed when people bring up the fact he supported Corbyn's leadership bid.
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Is it just me who read that article and thought it mostly sounded pretty generic? It's hardly the excoriation it's being made out to be. There's a lot worse criticism of Goldsmith and Cameron in it than of Corbyn, who isn't even mentioned by name, yet the TIBFC story is much bigger. And I doubt most of the activists would actually disagree that we need to appeal to more than just us.
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thespaceinvader posted:Is it just me who read that article and thought it mostly sounded pretty generic? It's hardly the excoriation it's being made out to be. There's a lot worse criticism of Goldsmith and Cameron in it than of Corbyn, who isn't even mentioned by name, yet the TIBFC story is much bigger. Of course, it gets a much larger space on the Guardian mainsite than the other things he talks about.
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It's boilerplate stuff about how Our Party needs to appeal to everyone, so this is basically just the Graun being the Graun again. Either that or Khan somehow thinks that the opposition shouldn't actually oppose the government because that's us versus them thinking.
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Remember at the start when people disagreed with Corbyn, he just went "yeah, it's fine, people can have their own opinion, I want an inclusive party where people aren't told what to think". And that it would be a very democratic party that isn't entirely dominated by the leader. It feels like that message has been dropped in the last few months. It may be that that is the party he's still intends to have, but if that explanation isn't being pitched publically anymore then it's made it easier to paint these disagreements as a civil war. By dropping it he's allowed the old mindset to remain that him having rebels in the party is a sign of weakness as a leader.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Either that or Khan somehow thinks that the opposition shouldn't actually oppose the government because that's us versus them thinking. That is genuinly how Blairite MPs think. All we need to do to win the next election is to let the Tories create the narrative, agree completely with them when they say austerity is necessary because Labour caused a global crisis, support the majority of their policies, and just wear a slightly more concerned face.
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's boilerplate stuff about how Our Party needs to appeal to everyone, so this is basically just the Graun being the Graun again. Either that or Khan somehow thinks that the opposition shouldn't actually oppose the government because that's us versus them thinking. Actually it's an Observer piece
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Cerv posted:Actually it's an Observer piece Are you sad when your nitpicking doesn't get as many replies as Pissflaps's?
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Cerv posted:Actually it's an Observer piece Sorry about that, I have trouble differentiating between poo poo and poo poo.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Are you sad when your nitpicking doesn't get as many replies as Pissflaps's? The Observer hates Corbyn even more than the graun does, is the point.
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Well the canary's not wrong, albeit it's one of the stupider sentences I've read today. I suspect a large part of the negativity is just that the papers don't like the fact that there's a generation growing up who get their news in different ways and want to queue for selfies with party leaders rather than reading the Graun and tutting. Cerv posted:Actually it's an Observer piece Nah, it's reprinted in Comment is Free as well.
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Angepain posted:oh for the love of- It was the Labour party that created the entire stupid mess, lots of the architects of the policy are still in the Labour party blowfish posted:Ok, so why don't you just give the LEAs earmarked money for fixing problem schools without creating a parallel school system for no good reason instead? Because a lot of the issues with poor performing schools can be laid at the feet of the LEA's so you would be throwing good money after bad and it's more difficult to fix the LEA's from the national level than it is to just cut them out of the process. An awful lot of councils are hide bound, bureaucratic messes that are run like petty fiefdoms or ideological regimes that just don't have the people in the places that can actually do any good. I used to work in a council that was in the top 20% of councils and if that shitshow was one of the better ones the bad ones would be like The Office but worse.
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Foxtrot_13 posted:I used to work in a council that was in the top 20% of councils and if that shitshow was one of the better ones the bad ones would be like The Office but worse. I'm going to let you in on a secret: every organisation looks absolutely chaotic on the inside.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Are you sad when your nitpicking doesn't get as many replies as Pissflaps's? It's a joke at the expense of Rushbrisger after the time he spent an entire Sunday afternoon pasting the same reply on twitter
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The Conservatives can support big business and "STRIVERS" but Labour must appeal to everyone which has never actually worked. Great plan. gently caress, looking at how the voting turned out I was actually optimistic about a Labour government in 2020 but they are going to swerve so hard into the first wall they come to. A wall made of C4 and prompt critical nuclear material.
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Regarde Aduck posted:The Conservatives can support big business and "STRIVERS" but Labour must appeal to everyone which has never actually worked. Great plan. gently caress, looking at how the voting turned out I was actually optimistic about a Labour government in 2020 but they are going to swerve so hard into the first wall they come to. A wall made of C4 and prompt critical nuclear material. Mayor of London says generic thing every politician says, SKY IS FALLING
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Mayor of London says generic thing every politician says, SKY IS FALLING To be fair there is a distinct and rather stupid irony in saying 'we need to stop talking about ourselves' while making pointed remarks about the leadership and generating headlines of 'Khan vs. Corbyn'. If Khan wants to stop talking about internal problems, maybe he should stop talking about internal problems.
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Cerv posted:Everyone wants to stop the talking, but also it's important to get the last word in Everyone wants everyone else to stop talking and do it their way.
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A Labour MP has hosed up and sent an e-mail to a journalist instead of John Mann https://twitter.com/Redlabour2016/status/729242211070644225
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thespaceinvader posted:Is it just me who read that article and thought it mostly sounded pretty generic? It's hardly the excoriation it's being made out to be. There's a lot worse criticism of Goldsmith and Cameron in it than of Corbyn, who isn't even mentioned by name, yet the TIBFC story is much bigger. Saying "we have to reach out beyond the people who already support us and win over people who don't" is a statement of the obvious in politics. It almost isn't worth saying. But that's why if someone does come out and say it, it's reasonable to think there's a subtext. They must think that right now it actually needs saying, perhaps because people have forgotten how important it is, or because their party is failing to do it.
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serious gaylord posted:A Labour MP has hosed up and sent an e-mail to a journalist instead of John Mann "Hey Ben, next time you try and stab Caesar make sure you're not holding a plastic spoon."
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thespaceinvader posted:"Accidentally" Well yes that did cross my mind too.
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https://twitter.com/bl0ke/status/729307662115065857 May as well get the ball rolling.
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What I want to know is where was all this vehement passionate opposition from New Labour before Corbyn got in? If the PLP had opposed Cameron with half this effort we might not have had to boot them out and vote in an old jam artisan.
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nopantsjack posted:What I want to know is where was all this vehement passionate opposition from New Labour before Corbyn got in? They were opposing perfectly vehemently by agreeing vehemently whilst frowning and looking a bit cross. (Hint, the people doing the opposing now are by and large people with some kind of vested interest in nothing changing about the system as it stands)
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the first opposition to lose seats since 1985, historically low NEV share, declining vote share in Wales, total wipeout in Scotland
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thespaceinvader posted:"Accidentally" If it was deliberate, it's a strange strategy as it just makes her seem incompetent.
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UrbicaMortis posted:If it was deliberate, it's a strange strategy as it just makes her seem incompetent. I thought this was the current blairite strategy to win elections.
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shrike82 posted:the first opposition to lose seats since 1985, historically low NEV share, declining vote share in Wales, total wipeout in Scotland Hmm yes.  Also on the academies u-turn, the DoE is still going to force schools that aren't doing well into becoming academies, and guess where they happen to be.
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Dead Goon posted:It has probably been asked before, but what is NOC?
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