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Mighty Dicktron posted:Parrying in 3 is like one-for-one how 2 works. If you figured out how it works in 3, then you should be able to do it in 2 no problem. Enemies still track in Dark Souls 3, at least, but they did a better job of hiding it with the animations. Now they tend to do a wind-up while being stationary or only tracking a small amount, then pivot and attack in your direction. It has the same effect, but looks a little more natural than DS2's turntable enemies. I never found the wide sweeps to be such a big deal in Bloodborne, if only because dodging is fast, has very little wind-up or recovery, and costs little Stamina, so you're encouraged to spam-dodge. Like, I get that the tracking in DS2 is necessary, but it's just not done as well as they do it later. It looks silly and it makes some enemies like a certain later enemy with a heavily-armored back just seem like they were designed for a different game where you might actually get behind them. HMS Boromir posted:I've lost a lot of steam as a DS2 defender. The more I reflect on it the more I realize how many mistakes it made. That said, it still provided that Souls exploration and challenge that we've all become addicted to, so even if it was a little sub-par, it's still worth its weight in gold. You know what I actually do like about DS2? Its story. Especially with the additions in SOTFS, it has a very compelling story, more than compelling enough to stand up with the other two Dark Souls games. I found the very beginning of it really off-putting due to all the "you will do X and you won't even know why" and the sort of in-your-face "we're being so vague!" that it does, but later on things get pretty cool. At least one NPC has a truly great story, too.
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Yeah. I might have said earlier in the thread, but 2's lore is a lot more character focused than the other Souls games in a way I really dig. 1 and 3 are more about big picture, "what happens to the world/humanity, why/how do people continue to live" stuff IMO, but 2 is more about how smaller societies and individual people reacted to the horrors that come with the outbreak of the undead curse and the fading fire, rather than what happens to the world as a whole while/after the fire fades. Or at least, VaatiVidya claims as much. But he makes it sound convincing and compelling, so hey, I'll roll with it.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Yeah. I might have said earlier in the thread, but 2's lore is a lot more character focused than the other Souls games in a way I really dig. 1 and 3 are more about big picture, "what happens to the world/humanity, why/how do people continue to live" stuff IMO, but 2 is more about how smaller societies and individual people reacted to the horrors that come with the outbreak of the undead curse and the fading fire, rather than what happens to the world as a whole while/after the fire fades. I like that 3 carried a little bit of that forward by examining a lot of the legends of the linking of the Fire and how different societies treated the act, which I thought was really cool. DS2 did do some really cool stuff, for all the poo poo I give it.
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Man, now I kinda want to try DS2 again, but I could never get behind any of the enemies, and once they started one-shotting me because my max health was lowered, I really lost my enthusiasm for the game. I think I've got all of 2 hours in it.
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Harrow posted:Enemies still track in Dark Souls 3, at least, but they did a better job of hiding it with the animations. Now they tend to do a wind-up while being stationary or only tracking a small amount, then pivot and attack in your direction. It has the same effect, but looks a little more natural than DS2's turntable enemies. Personally I wouldn't say 'especially with the additions in SOTFS.' It has a great story because of the additions. Vanilla DS2's plot was awful and went nowhere, and I don't think I'll ever fail to be amazed at how well From managed to make something fantastic out of it with even the handful of NPCs they added with the expansions.
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May 10, 2016 03:43
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So I've never actually seen the original LP and went back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkNGZn81LAc&t=1135s This is the biggest lie ever told.
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May 10, 2016 03:47
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I don't know, because I caught the first LP so late that it was nearly finished, but I don't think people talked about that guy who comes up with Dark Souls enemy concepts, in this thread specifically. So I wanna bring it up a bit. They're very cool, and they put the fear of god in you.
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May 10, 2016 05:22
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Holy poo poo, there's a second starting area? I kept throwing myself against those giant knights over and over and getting nowhere. Those were the fuckers that made me ragequit the game.
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When I saw the big guys I thought 'Oh this is probably the graveyard in DS1' and went back to look for another area. So you just never found the giant area?!
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Spiritus Nox posted:Yeah. I might have said earlier in the thread, but 2's lore is a lot more character focused than the other Souls games in a way I really dig. 1 and 3 are more about big picture, "what happens to the world/humanity, why/how do people continue to live" stuff IMO, but 2 is more about how smaller societies and individual people reacted to the horrors that come with the outbreak of the undead curse and the fading fire, rather than what happens to the world as a whole while/after the fire fades. It makes sense. The opening cinematic of DS1 is about how the world was formed, while the opening of DS2 is all about you.
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RareAcumen posted:I don't know, because I caught the first LP so late that it was nearly finished, but I don't think people talked about that guy who comes up with Dark Souls enemy concepts, in this thread specifically. So I wanna bring it up a bit. This is the only Dark Souls enemy that has legitimately frightened me. 
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Suspicious Dish posted:This is the only Dark Souls enemy that has legitimately frightened me. That's just plain rude.
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IronSaber posted:That's just plain rude. Kinda weird From hasn't messed with that yet.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Yeah. I might have said earlier in the thread, but 2's lore is a lot more character focused than the other Souls games in a way I really dig. 1 and 3 are more about big picture, "what happens to the world/humanity, why/how do people continue to live" stuff IMO, but 2 is more about how smaller societies and individual people reacted to the horrors that come with the outbreak of the undead curse and the fading fire, rather than what happens to the world as a whole while/after the fire fades. 1 and 3 are divine melodrama with Wagnerian flair, 2 is an intimate journey of ersatz Buddhism spun through a western fantasy lens. I can dig it. One of the things I love about 2 is how quietly melancholy and bleak the whole thing is. That main menu music... 
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anilEhilated posted:This is so rude I kept expecting them to show up in 2 and 3. Bonfires are the only thing you can trust, the only beacons of safety in the harsh and unforgiving world. No.   
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SynthOrange posted:So I've never actually seen the original LP and went back. a very short sighted eagle
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Mimics aren't scary. It's the ones with all the legs that keep me up at night. If it's got more than six legs, I have to close my eyes during that section.
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Next stop: mimic soul item that eats your face when you try to use it. The clue is a randomly-placed typo in the description.
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Lore mimic, if you can't name Gwinovere's half sister, the game eats you
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LP Bot was a very big 'get' for the original LP and really critical to its success, any chance he'll be returning, or is he too big nowadays?
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anilEhilated posted:Next stop: mimic soul item that eats your face when you try to use it. The clue is a randomly-placed typo in the description. Mimic Armor. When you equip it, it slowly munches your body into it. This game pissed me off when it launched. At the very beginning, you pick from classes at almost all seem to have some big deficiency; most enemies you run into punish you for trying to back stab, and your parry doesn't work like it used to. You find some tiny pigs in your safe spot that are ridiculously hard to kill. I forced myself to play into the first area (where Geop is now, the forest), and found some really bad looking backgrounds:  I just stopped playing, because it felt like this game was trying to leverage the "this game is so hard" idea with none of the care the first game had. But now that I've picked it up again, this quickly goes away. The new areas have problems, but mainly aren't specifically engineered to gently caress over DS1 players. Weapons make more sense, enemies have less ridiculous moves, and the story gets more interesting. I'd say to people that dropped this game quickly, if you give it more time, it'll feel like a Dark Souls game.
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Captain Lavender posted:Mimic Armor. When you equip it, it slowly munches your body into it. it'd probably help if you weren't playing the hard mode covenant though idk when that screenshot was taken
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There's a bunch of really low-res looking parts of the game. It's really apparent whenever you look at an area that is blocked off by a chest-high wall or something, so you cannot go there, it's the same floor as the rest of the castle/forest/whatever, but no decorations, no rubble or anything. Kinda jarring, yes. I only really noticed something quite as apparent in DS1 as you leave the Archives' prison: you overlook the garden with the Crystal Golems, but also a bunch of other foresty bits, and those you can't get to, and they look super bad. Of course, it'd kill the performance if they rendered that beautifully and every look at a distant area up to DS3 obviously uses low-poly models to simulate the "hey I was there three hours ago!" effect, but DS2 doesn't even have that effect, and it still looks terrible sometimes.
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Guys, guys. We're seeing the first loving hour of what seems to be the first recording. I'm sure Geop will not be using the starting weapon forever and ever. This poo poo will be like 100+ episodes again. Why are you even worried about a starting character using a starting weapon at the start of the game. 
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Mouse and keyboard isn't all that bad, but I am using autohotkey to avoid input lag problems. I'm absolutely terrible at playing almost anything with analogue sticks, it's like drunk souls all the goddamn time with me at the controller, I just can't keep my z axis level while looking around (armored core has been a masochistic pleasure, it's so much fun but even tracking a slow-moving target is an ordeal for me). The only gripe I really have with m+kb is that I wish the player character moved like a FPS guy - mouse rotates the player, not just the camera; A/D are always sidestep even without lockon. DS2 being my first souls game, I don't think I even tried to block or parry the giant knights in heide, their weapons and swings are so massive that I expected that poo poo to just not work. Realising that my lovely little shield could actually block or deflect most attacks was eye-opening, but part of me wishes that I never figured this out and just kept playing the game using "roll through enemy swing" as my primary technique.
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Crazy Achmed posted:DS2 being my first souls game, I don't think I even tried to block or parry the giant knights in heide, their weapons and swings are so massive that I expected that poo poo to just not work. Realising that my lovely little shield could actually block or deflect most attacks was eye-opening, but part of me wishes that I never figured this out and just kept playing the game using "roll through enemy swing" as my primary technique. I get you, I only started Dark Souls 1 recently and my dinky little shield does NOT look like it should be able to protect me from, say, a swing from a Taurus Demon. I've seen Geop's DS1 LP, but it still seems counterintuitive. Watching Geop struggle with giant gently caress-off enemies and facing them myself are completely different things.  Of course, that makes being able to match those guys and fight them on one's own terms later that much more satisfying.
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Raygereio posted:Yeah. Sure, both DaS1 & DaS2 required a third-party fix, but with that both games' keyboard & mouse controls work fine. I've played all 3 games with mouse and keyboard only because I don't really like gamepads. As much as people think that is crazy, I feel it is the most natural thing in the world. Then comes my friend who only plays the game with a keyboard. No mouse. Just the keyboard. And he's beat the game. And he's pretty good at it too.
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The mouse is pretty vestigial in Dark Souls if you fight everything locked on. In retrospect I basically did play the first game with only the keyboard since I mostly controlled the camera with one button, either locking on or recentering.Aithon posted:I get you, I only started Dark Souls 1 recently and my dinky little shield does NOT look like it should be able to protect me from, say, a swing from a Taurus Demon. I wonder what it is about my brain that made me not have this problem. Almost everyone I've watched play the game for the first time assumes they can't block huge swings from, say, the Asylum Demon, but I walked into that fight fully confident in the tiny plate of idiot metal I was holding up in front of my face.
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Harrow posted:Enemies still track in Dark Souls 3, at least, but they did a better job of hiding it with the animations. Now they tend to do a wind-up while being stationary or only tracking a small amount, then pivot and attack in your direction. It has the same effect, but looks a little more natural than DS2's turntable enemies. This is an especially good solution since it's something the player has been able to do since at least dark souls 1. It's not very obvious unless you spent a lot of time mucking about with Zweihanders and the like, but breaking lock on from your opponent, starting a swing animation in one direction and pivoting part way through was a fun pvp trick in that game.
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http://magcius.github.io/dunky.js/
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Gimbal lock posted:Dark Souls 2 has a couple of enemy moves that eventually birthed ways for enemies to deal with a quick player trying to get behind them, there just isn't enough of them. To not spoil anything in DS2: Dark Souls 3 has enemies and bosses that can quickly chain into a shieldbash behind them as they turn. It really punishes the usual 'strafe to the shield/less offensive side'
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Sometimes i wonder why parrying and backstabbing is even a mechanic in DS2, it just hast so little situations where they are actually useful. Some later enemies are much easier to backstab and there is one type of knight that I can reliably parry. I think a player that did not play DS1 might not even bother with them because he learned early in the game that they suck. I guess what DS2 actually wanted to teach was to wait for the perfect moment or attack to parry or backstab. But that point just falls flat because in most cases it is easier to just give the enemies some regular swings and have them die in a few hits.
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Iretep posted:i think the original intention for backstabbing was to sneak up on people and stab them in the back. the intention wasnt to circlestrafe around people and then start stabbing. I like how Bloodborne did them the best: you have to set up a backstab by hitting the target with a charged R2 from behind. This is easy if you sneak up on the target but very difficult in a fight (though totally doable against some enemies/bosses).
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Harrow posted:I like how Bloodborne did them the best: you have to set up a backstab by hitting the target with a charged R2 from behind. This is easy if you sneak up on the target but very difficult in a fight (though totally doable against some enemies/bosses). Except this had really negative consequences on PVP, since it meant there was no real way to punish someone running away from you.
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Attestant posted:Guys, guys. We're seeing the first loving hour of what seems to be the first recording. I'm sure Geop will not be using the starting weapon forever and ever. Because Souls fans are the most intolerable of backseat gamers.
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