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Quantum Mechanic posted:the Greens have literally always been socialists bro
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BBJoey posted:screamingllama, then Don't look at me, I spent my pension money on new bedclothes and EVE stuff. It's my birthday on Tuesday if you want to buy me a pony avatar. Jumpingmanjim posted:The democrats suck. So does your mum and your avatar.
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Jun 10, 2016 22:00
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ScreamingLlama posted:Don't look at me, I spent my pension money on new bedclothes and EVE stuff. Well now we know who Bill Shorten's zinger writer is.
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Jun 10, 2016 22:19
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Seagull posted:is anyone outside of asio and the lib dems still afraid of reds under the beds if this election is anything to by, millionaire anthony albanese is also terrified of the reds under the beds.
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Jun 10, 2016 22:28
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Jonah Galtberg posted:They're the biggest incrementalists I've ever seen if this is true I was more thinking in a NSW context. Probably more correct on a Federal level to say socialists have always been part of the Greens
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Jun 10, 2016 23:16
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Quantum Mechanic posted:I was more thinking in a NSW context. Probably more correct on a Federal level to say socialists have always been part of the Greens It is super state based, like you say. I know up here in Queensland, the centre-left and eco-warrior groups are more prevalent than the socialists who seem to be more prevalent in NSW. Being a grassroots party that's absorbed and joined with dozens of different NGOs, political groups and activists over the thirty years of its existence, it isn't surprising that states can have slightly different priorities (while broadly agreeing with all principles at NatCon). Side question: who's good to follow on Twitter for the election? I have Ozman Faruqi, Ghost who Votes, and Antony Green, but who else is worth keeping tabs on.
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Jun 11, 2016 01:07
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Mithranderp posted:Does that mean the rest of us are full-time shitposters? I know commercial radio is where comedy goes to get interred but I must say finding http://www.cactus.com.au/cactarians2.html did not disappoint. I idly wondered this morning who cleared Sarah Handsome Rack as a pseudonym. It also seems that Labor are actively trying to throw the election at this point. Words fail me.
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Jun 11, 2016 01:27
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Cartoon posted:It also seems that Labor are actively trying to throw the election at this point. Words fail me. The more I think about it, the more I think that's actually their strategy. They're not pushing that hard in marginals, and seem more focussed on shoring up their current support base. I'm starting to think that some senior strategists have decided that a better long term strategy is to throw this election, let the LNP ruin the country both economically and socially, then come in and pick up the pieces. It destroys the Conservatives' stranglehold over the rhetoric of economic management and unites and mobilises the marginalised behind the ALP and Unions, at the low, low price of destroying the lives and livelihoods of millions of working class Australians and losing what little of the moral high ground the ALP still had.
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Jun 11, 2016 01:37
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Didn't someone post a theory that the ALP doesn't want government when the housing bubble pops?
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Jun 11, 2016 01:38
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"heroism is futile" - malcolm turnbull, prime minister
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Jun 11, 2016 01:48
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ZealousQ posted:The more I think about it, the more I think that's actually their strategy. They're not pushing that hard in marginals, and seem more focussed on shoring up their current support base. I'm starting to think that some senior strategists have decided that a better long term strategy is to throw this election, let the LNP ruin the country both economically and socially, then come in and pick up the pieces. It destroys the Conservatives' stranglehold over the rhetoric of economic management and unites and mobilises the marginalised behind the ALP and Unions, at the low, low price of destroying the lives and livelihoods of millions of working class Australians and losing what little of the moral high ground the ALP still had. if they actually believe this they're even dumber than I thought. The LNP will never blame anything other than the gigantic debt labor left them with and we don't have any journalists to contradict them.
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Jun 11, 2016 01:51
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I don't feel like it's throwing the election, I feel like they're playing to the negative message and explicitly using coalition budget measures so the coalition can't criticise their choices. So they cherry picked from a rotten bunch to find something just reasonable enough to push a message of savings from middle-income welfare from FTB-A and HECS 2% from 50k is like a slow simmer towards the current 4% at 54k. Then for some reason I guess Newstart changes mean people under 25 can rot on the streets if they are unemployed?
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Jun 11, 2016 02:03
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ZealousQ posted:Side question: who's good to follow on Twitter for the election? I have Ozman Faruqi, Ghost who Votes, and Antony Green, but who else is worth keeping tabs on. Kevin Bonham and William Bowe (the Poll Bludger) are similar, but tweet more about current stuff. Greg Jericho is Grog. Just remember to mute whatever sports poo poo you don't care about. Mark di Stefano, Bernard Keane, Latika Bourke, Mark Colvin, Katharine Murphy and Lenore Taylor are all decent journos who are really active on twitter, and are probably where I hear a lot of Auspol news from. David Pope is the best cartoonist in the country. Aus Gov Just Googled is hilarious.
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Jun 11, 2016 02:19
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I think the long election cycle has thrown some of us off, neither party has launched the cannons yet and this is some weird pre-election sandpit fight that made its way in. I think in the last 2 weeks you'll see some mobilization and it wont seem like any party is trying to lose anymore.
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Anidav posted:I think the long election cycle has thrown some of us off, neither party has launched the cannons yet and this is some weird pre-election sandpit fight that made its way in. I think in the last 2 weeks you'll see some mobilization and it wont seem like any party is trying to lose anymore. I think you're crediting them with more tact and skill than they have. The coalition was prepared ahead of time and wanted the long game. This was why they had advertising up in May - they simply have nothing positive to contribute, so they've got a message, and they're going to ape tony abbott and hammer that message as much as they can. Unfortunately for them, people are wary of them, and they aren't completely buying what the coalition are selling. Or labour for that matter.
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Jun 11, 2016 02:35
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A little bit sure, but I think both parties are in a bit of a slumber.
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Jun 11, 2016 02:38
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Labor is still scarred from the Abbott years and thinks the best way to shore up votes is to adopt the LNP's policies wholesale.
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Jun 11, 2016 04:26
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I think it's more a case that both majors have been concerned with their base because of perceived threat from minor/independents for a long time and the results over a long campaign are rather showing up what a bleak strategy that is, particularly when you've got zero to sell like Tithin says. They're too entrenched in having painted themselves into rhetorical corners by their idiotic posturing on various issues and hoping that doubt will work in their favour. If you can take anything from the polls, it's that a large group of voters refuse to tell us what they're thinking because they're impressed by neither majors messaging and aren't prepared to commit to anything beyond maybe sorting out minor party preferencing. Maybe a factor will be that the taxpayer has effectively paid all federal politicians for doing absolutely nothing for months while they lie to us about what they might and might not do. And give the huge size of the Senate voting sheet this election, it's going to be mayhem despite the changes. I know there's been a lot of hooha over the ballots for ticket positions, noone knows, not even Antony Green, how that will pan out.
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Jun 11, 2016 04:58
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ewe2 posted:I know there's been a lot of hooha over the ballots for ticket positions, noone knows, not even Antony Green, how that will pan out. There are still a large number of people in Australia who still think Howard is PM. Ballot positions are very important, a lot of people will vote 1-6 left to right of the ballot. So getting in the top 6 is very important.
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Jun 11, 2016 05:01
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I've talked to people from remote areas who think Howard is still PM too. It's weird.
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Jun 11, 2016 05:10
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quote:Paramedics put PM’s name in too-hard basket as patients fail test http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...2d332f866367c6a
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I WANNA BE A TWINK posted:There are still a large number of people in Australia who still think Howard is PM. It's possible, I'm not convinced by the evidence so far. And further to that are the new changes which complicate the issue further. Wait till after the election before confident predictions.
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Liberal candidate resigns over Frankston brothel ownership A Coalition candidate has quit after it emerged he owns a Frankston brothel called Paradise Playmates. Massage therapist John Min-Chiang Hsu resigned as the Liberal Party candidate for the Victorian seat of Calwell after his ties to the brothel were revealed on Saturday. The Victorian Liberal Party said in a statement it had come to its attention that Mr Hsu had "not fully declared his business interests prior to applying for endorsement as required". "Mr Hsu has resigned, with immediate effect, as an endorsed candidate of the Liberal Party and has resigned as a member of the party," the statement said. "Given the AEC's nomination deadlines the Liberal Party will not be running an endorsed candidate in the Division of Calwell." Mr Hsu was unlikely to pose much of a challenge to Labor incumbent Maria Vamvakinou, who has held the safe Labor seat since 2001, but his departure in scandalous circumstances is still a blow for the Coalition. The brothel, which offers both erotic massage and full sex services for between $60 and $350, is billed on its website as the "best brothel in Frankston".
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Jun 11, 2016 07:09
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Perhaps the Sex Party would have been a better fit.
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Jun 11, 2016 07:16
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When he applied the liberal party told him it was going to be a hard job. He misheard.
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Jun 11, 2016 07:18
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Anidav posted:I've talked to people from remote areas who think Howard is still PM too. wtf is going on in those people's heads I'm astounded that this isn't satire.
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Jun 11, 2016 07:51
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Funnily enough they probably think the Democrats are still a party.
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Tommofork posted:Funnily enough they probably think the Democrats are still a party. Someone tried to tell them, but they said it too quietly.
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Jun 11, 2016 08:00
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Anidav posted:Didn't someone post a theory that the ALP doesn't want government when the housing bubble pops? That might have been me. I reckon they'd be quite happy to have the Libs try to negotiate the fallout of a financial meltdown with a hung parliament.
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Jun 11, 2016 08:35
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What's the deal with the CFA EBA that's got the volunteers up in arms? Pissing them off doesn't seem like a sensible move seeing as they make up a large number of our firefighters. Does less volunteers (if a lot of them resign as is already happening according to The Age) mean the paid firefighters have a stronger negotiating position in the future or something?
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Jun 11, 2016 08:41
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gay picnic defence posted:What's the deal with the CFA EBA that's got the volunteers up in arms? Pissing them off doesn't seem like a sensible move seeing as they make up a large number of our firefighters. Does less volunteers (if a lot of them resign as is already happening according to The Age) mean the paid firefighters have a stronger negotiating position in the future or something? Not sure, as most of the media are now after Andrews since he sacked the Emergency Services minister. I saw a Herald Sun opened on a double page of them just tearing into Andrews over the sacking of the minister and how he isn't taking their advice. Can't seem to find any real balanced stories on it, or any background information.
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Jun 11, 2016 08:45
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gay picnic defence posted:What's the deal with the CFA EBA that's got the volunteers up in arms? Pissing them off doesn't seem like a sensible move seeing as they make up a large number of our firefighters. Does less volunteers (if a lot of them resign as is already happening according to The Age) mean the paid firefighters have a stronger negotiating position in the future or something? CFA management want to sway public opinion against the UFU and are doing this by agitating volunteer firefighters via their union (the Volunteer Fire Brigades Victoria). Both CFA and MFB are constantly butting heads with the UFU because the UFU doesn't bow to CFA/MFB's demands (eg. in the past the UFU has refused to let recruit courses continue at Fiskville, and they've fought against uniform items that MFB/CFA wanted to introduce that were later found to be dangerous and not actually flame resistant/retardant). The UFU wants consultation clauses in their EBAs, which the CFA/MFB are dead against. So basically, CFA are lovely at the UFU for looking after its workers so they're waging a misinformation campaign via volunteers.
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Jun 11, 2016 08:58
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Did my first volunteering doorknocking for the Greens today and it was way less daunting then I thought it would be. Quite interesting actually. I encourage everyone to get involved in that sort of thing if they aren't already.
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Jun 11, 2016 09:20
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-11/shark-attack-victim-mother-speaks-out-about-front-page/7501614quote:The mother of a man killed by a shark in Western Australia has expressed anger at a newspaper's front page showing children in the ocean with a superimposed fin in the background. Stay classy, Westralian.
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Jun 11, 2016 09:24
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freebooter posted:Did my first volunteering doorknocking for the Greens today and it was way less daunting then I thought it would be. Quite interesting actually. I encourage everyone to get involved in that sort of thing if they aren't already. Seriously. Doorknocking is great. For a lovely goon like myself, it forces me to get things like "sun", "fresh air", and "human interaction", plus people are SO much nicer to talk to in person than on the phone. It's also the best way to shift votes. And to shore up support for the Revolution.
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Jun 11, 2016 09:26
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If people don't talk to me or state outright they won't be voting Greens, I like to paint a black 'X' on the door in front of them.
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Jun 11, 2016 09:28
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freebooter posted:Did my first volunteering doorknocking for the Greens today and it was way less daunting then I thought it would be. Quite interesting actually. I encourage everyone to get involved in that sort of thing if they aren't already. I was out this afternoon too! It was honestly pretty good, you expect things to be way worse than they turn out to be. I actually found voter phone banking to be way harder, people tend to be kinder to someone who's turning up to their doorstep. Can I ask where some of you are doing these? I'm in the Melbourne Ports area, which is actually pretty welcome since while it's a Labor seat, its sitting member is not popular outside of the Jewish areas. ...which are where we'll be doorknocking tomorrow, yaaaaay.
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Just as a tip for you door knocking Greens, make sure you enter the data correctly. It really sucks when you see that someone wants to volunteer or put up a placard and then they haven't written down a name, number or email.
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