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 Today Jinkuro adds literal demons to his checklist of "poo poo I killed on a whim" Also, Special Episode 1 is in editing and should be out tonight/tomorrow, along with possible Odin Sphere HD stream. Did a social thing last night and totally spaced out on getting it done. Ubiquitous_ posted:It's the same thing between the two versions, basically, but the Vita version is using Latin. So Arachnida Interficere roughly translates to Spider Destroyer/Killer. Localization can be expensive though, so I guess I can't really complain. Its more like a pet peeve than anything. NGDBSS posted:You didn't mention it on the video, but there's one aspect of Torahime's attire that bears mention nonetheless. Notice how one arm is bare, while her other arm is clothed with some sort of gauntlet? (Which arm is which isn't constant throughout the video, but I presume that's just a result of sprite limitations.) That's a standard style of dress for archers, at least when one's clothing is otherwise loose. Generally your arm holding the bow would be bare so that the released bowstring wouldn't catch on anything, which might injure you and/or throw off the shot. In contrast your draw arm wouldn't have such issues for the most part, except for your draw hand. Holding and then releasing a bowstring tends to be very damaging to the fingers if you aren't protecting them in some way, and thus there exist numerous examples of protective equipment such as finger tabs (for a three-fingered Mediterranean draw) or thumb rings (for a thumb-based Mongolian draw) to ensure that something else takes the brunt of a bowstring moving at over a hundred feet per second. In particular, Japanese-style archery (kyudo) employs a three- or four-fingered deerskin glove known as a yugake. Simply put, the force a bowstring puts out is dangerous. Prepare ahead of time kids.
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The imps basically are children since they're essentially youngster versions of the Aka and Ao Oni you've been harassed by during your trip through Hell. And speaking of these bastards, the reason Oni depictions are usually a mix of ox and tiger is because the northeast direction, also called the ushitora direction, is considered unlucky and is said to be the direction through which evil spirits passed. The modern Oni depiction was also heavily influenced by Buddhism, specifically the Yaksha and Rakshasa as well as the aforementioned gaki.
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"Framedata" usually refers to raw data about moves in fighting and action games, such as how many frames of animation pass before the move can hit, how many frames can the move hit for and how many frames pass before you're free to do something else. What you're talking about is just animation frames themselves. Also, "pre-cooking" is the weirdest term for "move startup" I've heard.
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This whole sequence was friggin badass. Jinkuro is the saint of cutting out the middleman
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There's something very Japanese about a bunch of souls in hell standing around waiting to get tortured because the hellish bureaucracy threw a cog. And the guy who got dead because he was a cheapskate winding up in hell because his son was a cheapskate. I think hiding behind the stone piles in that boss fight wasn't meant to shield you from the boss's rage attack as it was to stop the boss from seeing you to launch the attack in the first place. Once he got into flip-out mode he would throw that attack again immediately after he finished if you decided to stay in sight. Also the way the little imps piled in behind the stone piles, really only attacking you if you were hiding in the same place. They scared.
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 Hey guys, did you know yokai are everywhere and I now understand how my dad felt about pokemon? Let's talk about the ones we've seen in Muramasa in a little more detail. IMJack posted:I think hiding behind the stone piles in that boss fight wasn't meant to shield you from the boss's rage attack as it was to stop the boss from seeing you to launch the attack in the first place. Once he got into flip-out mode he would throw that attack again immediately after he finished if you decided to stay in sight. Also the way the little imps piled in behind the stone piles, really only attacking you if you were hiding in the same place. They scared. That could be the case, it just feels a bit Un-intuitive that: -The wording is super vague with "Hide behind the rocks" -The prompt appears after he gets pissed off, triggering an if/then logic response
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I'm pretty sure the spirits rebuilding the stone piles in the demon boss battle are the souls of dead children. They haven't accumulated enough sins to deserve complete damnation, but they didn't have time to perform enough meritorious acts to be allowed into heaven either, so they're stuck at the entrance of the underworld with nowhere to go. There's this demonic hag called Datsue-ba who tells them to build stone piles that they'll one day be able to climb to reach heaven on their own, but every once in a while she knocks the kids' piles down and laughs at them because, well, demonic hag. Fortunately, the reason the Buddhist underworld's entrance isn't choked with millions and millions of dead kids fruitlessly piling up rocks is that occasionally, the Buddha or some other saint or deity (typically Jizo) will smuggle the children into heaven out of sheer compassion.
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 Last of the bonus content for now, here's a mess of a stream for the new Odin Sphere remake which takes a few notes from Muramasa's combat. If you own a modern sony system, buy this game. Its worth it. FrankZP posted:I'm pretty sure the spirits rebuilding the stone piles in the demon boss battle are the souls of dead children. They haven't accumulated enough sins to deserve complete damnation, but they didn't have time to perform enough meritorious acts to be allowed into heaven either, so they're stuck at the entrance of the underworld with nowhere to go. There's this demonic hag called Datsue-ba who tells them to build stone piles that they'll one day be able to climb to reach heaven on their own, but every once in a while she knocks the kids' piles down and laughs at them because, well, demonic hag. Fortunately, the reason the Buddhist underworld's entrance isn't choked with millions and millions of dead kids fruitlessly piling up rocks is that occasionally, the Buddha or some other saint or deity (typically Jizo) will smuggle the children into heaven out of sheer compassion.
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 Let's watch a boss fight that is basically a kabuki play. Chapter's still interesting at least.
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Bishamon's just a warrior god in Japan - one of the folkloric Seven Lucky Gods Far as I can tell, Chigurui is just a made-up name
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I think you might be able to get that one big soul if you did it while you still had your sword drawn and could do the dash move thing
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I bet you could Cyclone up to that soul you couldn't reach, or use some other sword power.
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Dr. Video Games 0156 posted:I think you might be able to get that one big soul if you did it while you still had your sword drawn and could do the dash move thing wiegieman posted:I bet you could Cyclone up to that soul you couldn't reach, or use some other sword power. Sadly not possible, souls disappear during combat and you get locked down in the results screen. Maybe if I predict it just enough I can fly high enough right as results appear.
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Skippy Granola posted:Bishamon's just a warrior god in Japan - one of the folkloric Seven Lucky Gods Not a made-up name, an appelation: 血狂毘沙門. Or, "Blood-Crazed Bishamon". On Pandemonium: This is an interesting translation, but your comparison to Valhalla/Hel are both mistaken. Norse mythology indicates that those who die gloriously in battle go to Valhalla to fight and drink in preparation for the end of the world. This isn't anything like that. In Japanese, Pandemonium is called Shura-kai 修羅界, or the World/Realm of the Asura. Asura are generally reincarnated from people who were very warlike in life - it's actually technically speaking a form of existence above that of humanity, in that it is not generally speaking an existence that falls prey to the same forms of suffering that humans endure. However, they are also obsessed with fighting, hence why they cannot attain enlightenment, as it is simply a fact of their existence (only humans can attain enlightenment). Hence, while asura live an incredibly long time, when they die they reincarnate somewhere along the karmic path until they return to being a human and have another shot at enlightenment. The Pandemonium translation is understandable on a number of levels - asura are closely associated with carnage and chaos (one definition of pandemonium), and inhabit a different realm to that of humanity (the Miltonian Pandemonium), and could arguably be defined in a Christian sense as a form of demon or devil. I don't like it because I hate mish-mashing religious terminology together - asura are decidedly not devils or demons in the sense that would invite the word Pandemonium. It is, however, a word that is instantly associative in English, and so while I don't agree with it, I can understand why they opted for it and accept that as a play on words it's a pretty good one. EDIT: derped on a key term. Akujiki fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Akujiki posted:On Pandemonium: This is an interesting translation, but your comparison to Valhalla/Hel are both mistaken. Norse mythology indicates that those who die gloriously in battle go to Valhalla to fight and drink in preparation for the end of the world. This isn't anything like that. In Japanese, Pandemonium is called Shura-kai 修羅界, or the World/Realm of the Asura. Asura are generally reincarnated from people who were very warlike in life - it's actually technically speaking a form of existence above that of humanity, in that it is not generally speaking an existence that falls prey to the same forms of suffering that humans endure. However, they are also obsessed with fighting, hence why they cannot attain enlightenment, as it is simply a fact of their existence (only humans can attain enlightenment). Hence, while asura live an incredibly long time, when they die they reincarnate somewhere along the karmic path until they return to being a human and have another shot at reincarnation. This helps me understand Digital Devil Saga a lot more. I hadn't noticed before, but the ghost samurai swordsmen have vivid red bloodstains around where their neck would have been. Now that I've seen it I can't ignore it.
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IMJack posted:This helps me understand Digital Devil Saga a lot more. Glad to have been of help, even if I hadn't intended it to help with DDS. In fact...  Let's talk about Buddhism! (this does actually explain some things that happen later in the game, so while it can be skipped there are some concepts/tropes that pop up that this might help explain)First, let's establish the basic tenets of Buddhism. The basic premise in Buddhism is that all suffering in the world is caused by attachment, be it to people or things. Ergo, to achieve enlightenment is to divest yourself of all earthly and spiritual attachments, which allows you transcend samsara. When we talk about karma in the modern era we tend to talk about it in terms of good and bad karma that returns to you, but all karma in Buddhism is essentially the same - weight in worldly attachments. Good karma that you accumulate lets you be reborn in a "better" existence - devas and asuras are both described, generally, as living long, satisfactory lives measuring great lengths of time before they reenter samsara. Now, about the wheel, there are six different "realms" or "paths" in Buddhist thought. They are deva, asura, human, animal, preta, naraka. Based on how you lived your life, you'll reincarnate in one of these paths - good karma tends to lead you toward the former three, bad karma toward the latter. As I mentioned before, only humans can actually obtain enlightenment, so the end goal is to reincarnate as a human and achieve enlightenment. (It should be noted here that the goal of enlightenment actually varies among traditions, and then even moreso among sects. It means something slightly different in every major tradition. Japanese Buddhism deals mainly with Mahayana Buddhism, which is where the culture of boddhisatvas has the most purchase, as well as the concept of enlightenment through tariki or another's power.) Now, Buddhism originally came to Japan through China, but didn't have notable sects until sometime around the Asuka period (538-710) when the teachings of six major Chinese sects came across. However these largely paled in influence compared to later sects. In particular, the monk Kūkai (also known as Kobo-Daishi) wrote a great deal and firmly established the Shingon (True Words) Buddhist sect in Japan. This, along with Zen (meditative) Buddhism were two of the biggest sects in Japan until the mid-to-late Heian period, when Jōdo (Pure Land) Buddhism began to grow popular. Its influence grew swiftly, enough that to a point it became the cultural point of reference for Buddhism. In post-Warring States literature, Buddhism is mostly spoken of in terms of Pure Land Buddhism, especially in terms of being reborn in the Amida Buddha's paradise. Another aspect of karma, particularly in Japanese literature of the post-Warring States era, is that karmic bonds between people exist, which influence their reincarnations. In Ihara Saikaku's Five Women Who Loved Love, this is a fairly common thread - in one story, a woman sets a fire in Kyoto in order to meet her lover again (since the last time they met was during a fire), and is executed, but pleas to him that they both be reborn together in paradise. These are all things to keep in mind going forward when things like karma or Buddhist concepts get brought up, because this is the lens through which they were written and meant to be viewed. finished. I'm sure someone could probably go more in-depth but that's enough of a gloss to make sense of most of what gets brought up in Muramasa.On the subject of asura, though, I went back and looked through some older pieces, more specifically Ueda Akinari's Tales of Moonlight and Rain, a collection of short stories, because I remembered asura appearing, and indeed, in the story "Bird of Paradise", we do get a look at this. In this story, a man named Muzen and his son are traveling to Mt. Kōya, a very famous Buddhist temple established by Kobo-Daishi in 819. As night falls, they take shelter on a nearby mountain, despite being warned away by those who have ties to the temple. During the night, they're visited by a party of samurai, who escort Toyotomi Hidetsugu into the temple. At this point, Muzen realizes that all of these men are dead - Hidetsugu and his cohort were all ordered to commit suicide at Mt. Kōya in 1595 - and are, in fact, reincarnated asura. However, the men don't fight, but rather tell tales and generally complain about their lots in their previous lives. When Muzen is discovered, he is asked to tell a poem he had earlier written. The tale ends with Hidetsugu ordering Muzen and his son be brought along the path of the asura, only for his retainers to dissuade him and allow them to go free. Ultimately, asura, while decidedly combative and warlike, are hardly immune to reason. They're compelled to act according to those whims, but are not slaves to them. They are decidedly different to traditional western depictions of demons and devils, which is largely why I tend to resist classification of them as such. Akujiki fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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This is a really good LP, thanks for doing it. I would totally watch an Odin Sphere LP too, that stream was great.
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 A lot of strange things happen today, but this week we finally see a minigame I've been hoping to find along with Jinkuro deciding to crash heaven so he can become a demi-fiend of some kind. Also, bit of a thing I'm looking for among other players of Muramasa: Promotional images and some screencaps show a giant octopus fight that can occur on the boat, but I've never seen it personally in-game or in videos. Is this a real thing? Buddhism is something I wanted to cover in a special video covering spirituality, so thanks for that info. I may need to find more general info elsewhere though. Mzbundifund posted:This is a really good LP, thanks for doing it. I would totally watch an Odin Sphere LP too, that stream was great.
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I believe the painting you referred to is "The Great Wave Off Kanagawa." Probably the most widely seen piece of Japanese artwork in the western world.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:07
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Regarding the boat: The octopus is definitely a thing, but you have to take a couple trips on the boat before it'll attack. There's another encounter on the boat after you've beaten the octopus, as well.
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Iron Chitlin posted:I believe the painting you referred to is "The Great Wave Off Kanagawa." Probably the most widely seen piece of Japanese artwork in the western world. Man, Mount Fuji really means something to Japanese culture if two people wanted to paint it 172 times.
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NGDBSS posted:(it's there in the background)
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Speaking of the fishing game, the monsters that were attacking you are Sazae Oni, a rather infamous turban snail yokai that you should definitely avoid at all costs. The Sazae Oni is said to take the form of a woman who wanders at night, staying at inns and devouring the innkeepers during the night. The most notable legend of the Sazae Oni however is of a ship of pirates hugging the coast and heard the cries of a woman drowning in the waves. Seeing that the woman was beautiful, the pirates decided to rescue her. Once on board, the pirates planned to rape her but found instead that the woman was willing. Over the course of the night, she had sex with every member of the crew. Unfortunately for the pirates the woman had her own agenda as she kept a souvenir from each of her conquests, the man’s testicles that she supposedly bit off when she was finished. Discovering that they had been robbed of the precious possessions, the men charged at the woman who revealed herself as a Sazae Oni. She offered to sell the pirates back their testicles in exchange for their plundered treasure. In this way the Sazae Oni traded “gold” for gold, as the Japanese word for testicles is kintama which translates literally as "golden balls". Chimera-gui fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Wow. Seems to me like you'd notice those being bitten off, but... well. Mythology.
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KieranWalker posted:Wow. Seems to me like you'd notice those being bitten off, but... well. Mythology. Secret Yokai Lidocaine.
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KieranWalker posted:Wow. Seems to me like you'd notice those being bitten off, but... well. Mythology. Considering she gave them back i imagine it was more of a magical removal.
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Also I think the Raijin/Fuujin thing is just doing a play on common modern Japanese fiction tropes. If you do notice, Some NPCs speak in a Cadenced, very distinct style, which, iirc, is also a trope which the Japanese Employ when voicing or acting historical Japanese Characters. It's most noticable with (something) Bishamon, where he Kabukis the poo poo out of his lines. [e]: Oh And Muramasa himself. iirc his cadence and speech is much reminiscent of plays and historical biopics. This also presents a parallel with (of all things) Arabic, where biopics of the Prophet Muhammed and the Sahabah and historical leaders, both religious, political and military, use a form of speech that would be considered too formal/archaic for speech in Arabic, and which sees almost no speaking use today but is upheld as the standard of Arabic. Even though it most probably isn't the accent that they would have spoken with back in the day, same with Japanese. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Also I think the Raijin/Fuujin thing is just doing a play on common modern Japanese fiction tropes. At this point I'm basically imagining its Jinkuro telling this story to someone and hamming it up.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Also I think the Raijin/Fuujin thing is just doing a play on common modern Japanese fiction tropes. It's a half-assed Classical Japanese that sees a lot of use because actual Classical Japanese would confuse the hell out of everyone given how intricate the language system was then. They use a couple of verb forms and then everything else is just modern Japanese, except using more formal language to seem older-fashioned. Neither Raijin nor Fuujin speak this way, however. They speak what sounds a lot like Kansai-ben - Fuujin says "itazura ha akan", Raijin says "toosahen", both of these are notable Kansai-ben markers. Given that we're in Ise Province, modern-day Mie Prefecture, which is in Kansai, it makes a certain amount of sense. For the unaware, Ise is host to the Ise Shrine, one of the most famous and important shrines in the country, so there's a certain sensibility to finding a path to heaven through there. something something commentary about conflating concepts across religion and region in commentary. There's so much here that I want to talk about but I've already spoken about my opinions on trying to make direct comparisons across religions and mythologies and don't want it to become any more tedious.
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Yeah what I meant was the Raijin/Fujin dynamic and their interaction definitely seems like it's playing off some certain modern tropes.
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Akujiki posted:something something commentary about conflating concepts across religion and region in commentary. There's so much here that I want to talk about but I've already spoken about my opinions on trying to make direct comparisons across religions and mythologies and don't want it to become any more tedious. Oh dont worry about it dude, its pretty interesting given how much of Muramasa is rooted in real life mythos. If you feel like you're talking too much though, maybe give us the cliffnotes version or link to a resource.
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To me, that "storybook" filter looked more like traditional sliding doors.
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Finally got around to watching the Odin Sphere Leifraser Stream and dang Highwang, you need to learn when to disengage. Not just the 'hop back a bit, wait a second and then dive right in' style, but the 'you just summoned a huge pillar of fire that is raining boulders of bile and hate, we're fighting way over here now' style. It also makes me regret not owning a current playstation system. On Muramasa, I liked the storybook style that Heaven showed off though the overlay did look more like sliding doors to me (which would fit in with the door to heaven.) It also makes sense that Jinkuro would give Momohime's body back after failing to get into heaven and then immediately go back on that when another way presents itself: he had run out of ideas for them getting out of the whole 'two souls one body' predicament in a way that benefits them both.
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Well, Jinkuro doesn't have a reason not to let Momohime have her body back. He doesn't have anything against her personally, he just doesn't want to die (and maybe he's a little annoyed at being stuck in the body of a girl who's 90 pounds soaking wet.)
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wiegieman posted:Well, Jinkuro doesn't have a reason not to let Momohime have her body back. He doesn't have anything against her personally, he just doesn't want to die (and maybe he's a little annoyed at being stuck in the body of a girl who's 90 pounds soaking wet.) Jinkuro wanted that guys body because of his status and position in his clan. Oboro style and muramasa swords dont give a poo poo how strong or big you are.
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 In today's update, Kisuke decides to fight the Dragon God. Luckily this isn't Demons Souls and you don't have to do a whole gimmick to fight him. Hope you all like the thread's new window-dressing as well. EponymousMrYar posted:Finally got around to watching the Odin Sphere Leifraser Stream and dang Highwang, you need to learn when to disengage. Not just the 'hop back a bit, wait a second and then dive right in' style, but the 'you just summoned a huge pillar of fire that is raining boulders of bile and hate, we're fighting way over here now' style. Also honestly, I think Gwendolyn has it rough against the phoenix rider. Everyone else has a great way of dealing with them except Gwen, mainly because Freeze is a bit of an awful mechanic. Velvet might have it worse off though since she's themed around fire and I'm pretty sure there are elemental resistances in this game. Highwang fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jun 19, 2016 |
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Kusarigama is the name of the chain sickles. Kamaitachi however is the the name of the sickle weasel yokai, kama being the sickle and itachi being weasel. And the sword you got for beating the dragon god was originally the 'Goro Masamune' but the skill it does have is Kamaitachi, hence weasels on the wind. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jun 19, 2016 |
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