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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Current retirees are already limping along with barely any retirement savings, imagine 40 years from now when the generation that came out of the gate with debt start to be cycled out of the work force. Haha leave the workforce. Nah Millennials will just cause companies to have a new section of training about what to do when an older co-worker dies during their shift
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How the hell does a police shooting end up on Facebook live to begin with? Can't wait for the justifications on this one. He was a legal concealed carrier and was about to procure his permit and the cop just couldn't help himself? In front of the guy's wife and child? What the gently caress? E: and all over a traffic stop for a busted loving tail light. This shooting really has everything! Rhesus Pieces fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Stereotype posted:I wonder if this one is good enough to start a conversation about police shootings?? No probably not, he was black and had a gun after all, maybe a picture where his pants aren't pulled all the way up will surface. Plus that officer was clearly upset afterwards and two wrongs don't make a right. Yeah, I can't wait for the  "He Was No Angel" defamation league to smear the cafeteria supervisor of a Montessori school. Or the deafening silence from the NRA tomorrow.
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Noam Chomsky posted:I'm not saying that there isn't a personal responsibility element to all this. It's just that your posts on this topic reek of FYGM-ness. "I did it right. I'm OK! What's wrong with you?" uh i pretty much laid out that rising tuition costs and a high degree of pressure on bad decision makers (teens) are also to blame, but the average student loan debt is only $32k or so which isn't that much. and yeah i did do it, i made it through and it wasn't that bad. growing up is scary sometimes. so sorry that you're unreasonably upset at my reasonable opinions i guess? go find someone else to yell at bud
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Stereotype posted:I wonder if this one is good enough to start a conversation about police shootings?? No probably not, he was black and had a gun after all, maybe a picture where his pants aren't pulled all the way up will surface. Plus that officer was clearly upset afterwards and two wrongs don't make a right. I say we hold out for a 12 year old black boy with a fake gun shot and killed less than 5 seconds after the cops stop their ca- oh wait 
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Jul 7, 2016 05:56
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Rhesus Pieces posted:How the hell does a police shooting end up on Facebook live to begin with? They only started filming right after the shooting.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:uh i pretty much laid out that rising tuition costs and a high degree of pressure on bad decision makers (teens) are also to blame, but the average student loan debt is only $32k or so which isn't that much. and yeah i did do it, i made it through and it wasn't that bad. growing up is scary sometimes. so sorry that you're unreasonably upset at my reasonable opinions i guess? go find someone else to yell at bud I'm not unreasonably upset or even upset. I'm just saying your posts have a tone of FYGM concerning this topic. Not sure what world you're living in where $32,000 isn't a lot of money. Probably closer to the top of the bucket.
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Noam Chomsky posted:I'm not unreasonably upset or even upset. I'm just saying your posts have a tone of FYGM concerning this topic. ok thank you for tone policing me then. if you think $32k is an unreasonable amount of debt for a better life lmao at you when you look at trying to stop renting. also get a vasectomy tomorrow
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Popular Thug Drink posted:uh i pretty much laid out that rising tuition costs and a high degree of pressure on bad decision makers (teens) are also to blame, but the average student loan debt is only $32k or so which isn't that much. and yeah i did do it, i made it through and it wasn't that bad. growing up is scary sometimes. so sorry that you're unreasonably upset at my reasonable opinions i guess? go find someone else to yell at bud $32,000 is a lot of money.
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These guys have a copy of the video: http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/falco...shot-by-police/
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Jul 7, 2016 05:58
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Xae posted:18 year olds are simultaneously unable to foresee the financial impact of taking out loans, but prescient enough understand the financial impact of having or not having a college degree. 18-year-old are not prescient enough to understand the impact of a college degree or lack thereof, which is why when everything they've been taught and told and know and absorb tells them that getting a college degree is imperative, they take it at face value. And they then proceed to take on large amounts of debt, because they are also not able to foresee the impact of taking out student loans.
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Phone posted:Yeah, I can't wait for the If the NRA were smart they'd take up his case with a rallying cry of "protect our right to concealed carry". They won't
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Why the hell are cops seemingly scared out of their minds while on patrol? Did this cop really think a licensed gun owner would try and kill him over a broken tail light ticket? With his family in the car with him?
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As someone who has been to college where on the orientation day there was like an entire room of people offering credit cards at comical rates. I'm going to go ahead and say kids(and adults) don't know poo poo about long term financial planning.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:ok thank you for tone policing me then. if you think $32k is an unreasonable amount of debt for a better life lmao at you when you look at trying to stop renting. also get a vasectomy tomorrow I'm not really one to be tone policing to anyone. Just saying you're being all FYGM. "It all worked out for me! You must've done it wrong if it didn't work out for you." Also, you should probably know that a degree doesn't garuntee you a better life. Some people with degrees don't get more than a minimum wage job, or something in the $10/hr range. Sure, you have a better shot at a better life with a degree but it's not a guarantee, but you're guaranteed to carry around that debt either way. That's not a society I want anyone to live in. A vasectomy is a pretty sweet deal for someone not wanting to incur the costs of children or create additional slaves for the empire. 
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Dexo posted:As someone who has been to college where on the orientation day there was like an entire room of people offering credit cards at comical rates. Look at what they toss into your bag when you purchase books at the bookstore the first week of school. A bunch of adverts for credit cards and this and that. Horrible
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vorebane posted:I say we hold out for a 12 year old black boy with a fake gun shot and killed less than 5 seconds after the cops stop their ca- oh wait Don't forget them excusing it with 'Well I know it looks bad, but he looked at least 15 to the officer!' with a straight face.
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Javes posted:Why the hell are cops seemingly scared out of their minds while on patrol? Did this cop really think a licensed gun owner would try and kill him over a broken tail light ticket? With his family in the car with him? a large part of police traning as well as police culture views citizens as probable adverseries and potential threats. chill cops tend to not last, or they become unchill. it's a tough job that gives you PTSD plus it attracts people with a warrior mindset really we should train cops like we train firefighters, as public servants first and foremost instead of rule enforcers
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Popular Thug Drink posted:ok thank you for tone policing me then. if you think $32k is an unreasonable amount of debt for a better life lmao at you when you look at trying to stop renting. also get a vasectomy tomorrow Uh, yeah, $32k is in fact a lot of money when recent graduate underemployment is still hovering around 45%. You've basically got a 50/50 shot of graduating with debt equal to 80% or more of your annual income. If you're forced to use income-based repayment because you can't afford regular payments then that's debt that you're going to be saddled with for a very long time. The fact that housing is expensive too is a complete non-sequitur.
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Javes posted:Why the hell are cops seemingly scared out of their minds while on patrol? Did this cop really think a licensed gun owner would try and kill him over a broken tail light ticket? With his family in the car with him? Their training right now, as I understand it, is hyper focused on the officer's own safety. Night10194 posted:Don't forget them excusing it with 'Well I know it looks bad, but he looked at least 15 to the officer!' with a straight face. I honestly had forgotten. Well you know 15 is practically above life expectancy for black people, so an officer perceiving a 15 year old MAN could safely presume he had already led a long productive life, so I'm sure the shooter rightfully felt no great sense of loss.
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Paradoxish posted:Uh, yeah, $32k is in fact a lot of money when recent graduate underemployment is still hovering around 45%. the problem there is wage stagnation - and you're still a lot better off with debt and that degree doing your law clerk gig. universally, young adults with degrees are better off than those without
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Javes posted:Why the hell are cops seemingly scared out of their minds while on patrol? Did this cop really think a licensed gun owner would try and kill him over a broken tail light ticket? With his family in the car with him? Beaten but basically training and on-the-job culture both heavily emphasize "do what it takes to get home safe", to view everyone as a threat, and to swing your Big Dick(TM) around as much as possible to "achieve compliance" (basically Cartman RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAIH, only for real and the punishment for disrespecting a police officer is death). A few years ago I downloaded the entire run of Cops and we watched all the episodes. Even in that show you can see a change in police tactics over time. Early on there was still a lot of "community policing", a lot more talking. Even belligerent people wielding weapons seemed to be treated with some measure of care. By the end there is way more grabbing, throwing people on the ground, and screams of "STOP RESISTING". You can see the negative attitudes spreading as the seasons march on.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the problem there is wage stagnation - and you're still a lot better off with debt and that degree doing your law clerk gig. universally, young adults with degrees are better off than those without I agree 100%, I just also think that you're being unreasonable when you dismiss $32k worth of debt as not a big deal. It's going to be a huge deal for a lot of people and it's a much easier problem to tackle than wage stagnation, which has all kinds of structural economic causes that might not even have realistic solutions.
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Paradoxish posted:I agree 100%, I just also think that you're being unreasonable when you dismiss $32k worth of debt as not a big deal. It's going to be a huge deal for a lot of people and it's a much easier problem to tackle than wage stagnation, which has all kinds of structural economic causes that might not even have realistic solutions. Yep. No one is saying you're better off without a degree even if it means you're without debt. We're saying it's a shame that something you have to have in order to live a life approaching decent costs so much, and that you shouldn't be dismissive of how much it costs, PTD.
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Mr Hootington posted:No 2016 is a gimme year and the party needs to jettison the progressive wing while they can. This way they can become the socially liberal economically Conservative party of middle America. They will gain more power. Better still if they can sweep in and pick up disillusioned business republicans. I'm so glad that someone else on here understands the pathway to a permanent, well-funded Democratic majority just like I do.
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Noam Chomsky posted:Yep. No one is saying you're better off without a degree even if it means you're without debt. You don't have to have a degree to live a life approaching decent; you ever consider the loving trades before you decided to sound like an out-of-touch elitist? Electricians make some good gently caress'n money.
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In lighter news, Tom Cotton can't actually point to anything he likes about Donald Trump. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republican-senator-backs-trump-wont-say-why?cid=sm_fb_maddow
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vorebane posted:In lighter news, Tom Cotton can't actually point to anything he likes about Donald Trump. Perfectly balanced ticket. Trump can't find something about himself he hates, Cotton can't find anything about Trump he likes Which one is the left hand of darkness is the question though, maybe never answered
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Ender.uNF posted:A few years ago I downloaded the entire run of Cops and we watched all the episodes. Even in that show you can see a change in police tactics over time. Early on there was still a lot of "community policing", a lot more talking. Even belligerent people wielding weapons seemed to be treated with some measure of care. By the end there is way more grabbing, throwing people on the ground, and screams of "STOP RESISTING". You can see the negative attitudes spreading as the seasons march on. i'd say a large part of this is just the normalization of police aggression through shows like cops, it was absolutely there back in the 1980s and before but more hushed because midcentury americans still glorified rebels and outlaws over the lawman. after the early 90's tough on crime mentality public (white) perception of police as thuggish enforcers became the norm, look back at how cops were portrayed in the 60's and 70's as clownish killjoys (Andy Griffith, Dukes of Hazzard) also Cops is a very successful show that follows a very successful formula so they would absolutely filter their selected clips over time to portray police as hard rear end kickers if that's what the audience demands
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Popular Thug Drink posted:really we should train cops like we train firefighters, as public servants first and foremost instead of rule enforcers Ender.uNF posted:Beaten but basically training and on-the-job culture both heavily emphasize "do what it takes to get home safe", to view everyone as a threat, and to swing your Big Dick(TM) around as much as possible to "achieve compliance" (basically Cartman RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAIH, only for real and the punishment for disrespecting a police officer is death).
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'm curious what exactly you think the job of police, deputies, and troopers is if not law enforcement. as public servants
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guys the only pragmatic solution for this is to tie votes to owning property, that way they will be responsible.Mr Hootington posted:No 2016 is a gimme year and the party needs to jettison the progressive wing while they can. This way they can become the socially liberal economically Conservative party of middle America. They will gain more power. Better still if they can sweep in and pick up disillusioned business republicans. Non-bigot™* Business party of the USA *(offer may not apply in at-will employment states, please check local terms and conditions, poor need not apply) Grognan fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'm curious what exactly you think the job of police, deputies, and troopers is if not law enforcement. He just said it, as public servants. They're supposed to maintain the peace, not enforce it, with deadly force being the absolute last resort to contain an out of control situation. That's not what's happening nowadays.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:as public servants
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Dead Reckoning posted:That is a description of who their employer is, not what their primary duties are. generally serving the public interest rather than vigorously enforcing rules at the expense of public safety. eric garner died because the police grappled with him because he stood up for himself. why not back off instead of fight a guy? because his life was not as important in the mind of that cop than the idea that the police must always be obeyed and compliance comes above civic safety. or tamir rice, who was shot for basically no reason other than an unqualified cop was scared shitless of a black shooter, a mortal threat to the community that only existed in the cop's tiny imagination see also: no-knock raids, civil forfeiture, high speed chases, "i smell marijuana", and the many other ways cops act like petty tyrants because they power trip off their jobs boner confessor fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Maybe this is a dumb idea but I feel like a very simple, easy to understand policy would be easiest to advocate for and since it's basically impossible to pass anything, the easy broad policy is what has to be worked for. So in that vein, "If a cop kills a person, they have to retire." Full stop, end of story, I don't know whether they get sued or even minor chance of indictment for wrongful shooting or whatever anymore or what, but as a hard and fast rule, if an cop kills someone, they can no longer be an cop, not even a desk cop. I feel like this would have a bunch of unhappy side effects but it might at least give the police some loving reluctance to pull the trigger, and it would be very simple to explain and advocate for.
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Today in "Your liberal media at work", Trevor Noah tore Hillary to shreds for lying on every level regarding emailgate, and all but yelled from the rooftops that she is equally as dangerous as Trump is. Sigh.
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Student debt should be dischargeable through bankruptcy. Pop the bubble, gently caress all private loans.
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vorebane posted:Maybe this is a dumb idea but I feel like a very simple, easy to understand policy would be easiest to advocate for and since it's basically impossible to pass anything, the easy broad policy is what has to be worked for.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Student debt should be dischargeable through bankruptcy. Pop the bubble, gently caress all private loans. But I paid it off when they actually paid decent wages to people, they should just suffer. This is pragmatic, right?
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