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KIM JONG TRILL posted:Because if they don't sell definitely take our ball and go home (with the Big 12 being relegated to G5 status) instead of only probably taking our ball and going home. If they don't extend the GOR though there's nothing to gain and more risk. Right now if the other conferences expand to 16 there's only 1-2 P5 schools that'll be left out (right now there are 64 schools plus Notre Dame in the P5). Adding a couple more schools to those ranks would just increase the competition for landing spots in a decade. So instead of ISU, K-State, and Baylor playing musical chairs and hoping they aren't left out, they'd just be risking all of them being left out.
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MourningView posted:I don't think OU and especially loving Texas are all that worried about finding a landing spot ...yes? But the conversation was that it only take 3 of the other schools to reject expansion. And there are at least 3 Big XII schools who would be concerned about finding a landing spot.
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So their response to that would be to break up the conference now instead of waiting and getting good TV money for at least a few extra years, if it breaks up at all? ISU isn't a good major conference expansion candidate either way, they might as well ride getting to be in the same conference as OU and Texas for as long as they can
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MourningView posted:So their response to that would be to break up the conference now instead of waiting and getting good TV money for at least a few extra years, if it breaks up at all? ISU isn't a good major conference expansion candidate either way, they might as well ride getting to be in the same conference as OU and Texas for as long as they can Welcome to The American, ISU!
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Democrazy posted:Welcome to The American, ISU! 
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MourningView posted:So their response to that would be to break up the conference now instead of waiting and getting good TV money for at least a few extra years, if it breaks up at all? ISU isn't a good major conference expansion candidate either way, they might as well ride getting to be in the same conference as OU and Texas for as long as they can The GOR goes until like 2024 right now and if Texas/Oklahoma tried to break it the schools left behind would have no reason not to go scorched earth on it in the courts. This is all about doing exactly what you propose, locking down conference affiliation for an extra decade until the mid 2030s.
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Thoguh posted:The GOR goes until like 2024 right now and if Texas/Oklahoma tried to break it the schools left behind would have no reason not to go scorched earth on it in the courts. This is all about doing exactly what you propose, locking down conference affiliation for an extra decade until the mid 2030s. Which Texas and OU appear to have no interest in.
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Neil Armbong posted:Which Texas and OU appear to have no interest in. In which case the interest of the have nots is to not increase their competition for landing spots when the conference falls apart.
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Thoguh posted:In which case the interest of the have nots is to not increase their competition for landing spots when the conference falls apart. Iowa State likely loses out to Houston in a post big 12 realignment world.
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Neil Armbong posted:Iowa State likely loses out to Houston in a post big 12 realignment world. Which is incentive not to give Houston a decade of P5 money to keep building up their facilities and paying huge coaching contracts.
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Can New Mexico join the big 12...plz
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Popy posted:Can New Mexico join the big 12...plz No
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Thoguh posted:Which is incentive not to give Houston a decade of P5 money to keep building up their facilities and paying huge coaching contracts. Only delaying the inevitable. Why not make more money now before the well completely dries up for y'all?
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The main problem I see in the Big 12 adding Houston and Cincinnati is, how do you divide the schools into two divisions? You've got five teams in the state of Texas and six teams per division. Who ends up in the Lone Star division?
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CaptainYesterday posted:The main problem I see in the Big 12 adding Houston and Cincinnati is, how do you divide the schools into two divisions? You've got five teams in the state of Texas and six teams per division. Who ends up in the Lone Star division? Division 1: Texas Texas Tech Houston Iowa State Cincinnati West Virginia Division 2: Baylor TCU Oklahoma Oklahoma State Kansas Kansas State This would be the best of all possible worlds, in which all possible worlds are pretty rough geographically. You ideally would want to split the Texas schools that way every team is guaranteed a game there per year. If we wanna go full-bore on the fanfic, permanent rivals: Texas-OU (duh) TTU-OSU (geography, ag/mech schools) Baylor-Houston (geography) TCU-West Virginia (worst matchup, joined Big 12 together?...) Kansas State-Iowa State (geography/Farmageddon) Kansas-Cincinnati (basketball? kinda sorta geography?)
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Sash! posted:I'm sitting over here starring at a dented up Longhorns helmet pleading "finish what you started" like Kylo Ren while pondering what the Pac16 logo will look like. The footprint will kinda make a 6 right? If you squint?
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TipTow posted:If we wanna go full-bore on the fanfic, permanent rivals: Switch Houston and Baylor in the divisions. TCU and Baylor would go together. They have a lot of bad blood between them going back to the SWC (Apparently Baylor burned down the original TCU campus or something) and still don't like each other. West Virginia and Cincinnati should go together too because geography. That leaves Kansas and Houston I guess but there isn't any way of dividing that up that makes sense and also includes everybody so whatever. Maybe Kansas getting clowned every year by their "Rival" would motivate them to not suck so bad at football. Numlock fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Aug 9, 2016 |
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:So apparently some Big 12 officials are at UCF? Meh Going to Disney World on someone else's dime, that's all.
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Numlock posted:Switch Houston and Baylor in the divisions. No point in protected cross divisional rivalries, just protect Texas-OU if they need to go in separate divisions and call it good.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:So apparently some Big 12 officials are at UCF? Meh https://twitter.com/UCFSportsInfo/status/762850983202263041 Facebook map
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It's going to be great when the networks agree to pay the Big 12 not to expand after a couple of months of this.
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General Dog posted:It's going to be great when the networks agree to pay the Big 12 not to expand after a couple of months of this. I do love some expansion talk.
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General Dog posted:It's going to be great when the networks agree to pay the Big 12 not to expand after a couple of months of this. That's acceptable but only if we kick out Baylor and swap in Houston.
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Kim Jong Il posted:Eh let the Mormons in. A bunch of LGBT groups don't want the Big 12 to invite BYU, so I imagine the conference is keeping that in mind.
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CaptainYesterday posted:A bunch of LGBT groups don't want the Big 12 to invite BYU, so I imagine the conference is keeping that in mind. We have Baylor, I don't think we're allowed to have standards anymore.
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CaptainYesterday posted:A bunch of LGBT groups don't want the Big 12 to invite BYU, so I imagine the conference is keeping that in mind. What TV market are they again?
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CaptainYesterday posted:A bunch of LGBT groups don't want the Big 12 to invite BYU, so I imagine the conference is keeping that in mind. Oh no a bunch of LGBT groups don't want a religious school in, quelle surprise. If the Big 12 basically isn't giving a poo poo about the Baylor situation then they definitely shouldn't care about BYUs issues.
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General Dog posted:What TV market are they again? An entire religion, like a smaller scale Notre Dame.
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Henchman of Santa posted:An entire religion, like a smaller scale Notre Dame. I meant the LGBT groups
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:Oh no a bunch of LGBT groups don't want a religious school in, quelle surprise. If the Big 12 basically isn't giving a poo poo about the Baylor situation then they definitely shouldn't care about BYUs issues. Kicking out a school versus deciding on letting one in really aren't equivalent. Also people acting like pressure from these LGBT groups won't influence the decision makers--not to necessarily say they will be THE deciding factor--are only fooling themselves. The country is continuing to trend very rapidly and strongly in a direction that makes the policies of an institution like BYU unacceptable for a majority of the population.
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TipTow posted:Kicking out a school versus deciding on letting one in really aren't equivalent. I'm kind of torn here because I don't want to support a lot of the stuff BYU stands for, but my extreme dislike of BYU makes me want to see my team beat them that much more. We've already got Baylor and OU, but I'd always like to see more teams I hate on the schedule. No matter what your record is, no matter where you are in the season, it's pretty easy to get hype for a game when you hate the other team. You think there's any way we could get PSU and ND in on this? Texas would certainly be pulling our weight in the Hate Belt Conference. I mean everyone who is not a Texas fan hates Texas, right? It could be like how the SEC has been known to say every week is a championship game, except we could say every week was a rivalry game. Thermos H Christ fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Thermos H Christ posted:I'm kind of torn here because I don't want to support a lot of the stuff BYU stands for, but my extreme dislike of BYU makes me want to see my team beat them that much more. Huh, BYU is 4-1 all time against Texas with UT's single win being a 17-16 nailbiter. Not saying that matters much, since they appear to have mostly played when Texas was bad. Interesting though.
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Thermos H Christ posted:I'm kind of torn here because I don't want to support a lot of the stuff BYU stands for, but my extreme dislike of BYU makes me want to see my team beat them that much more. We've already got Baylor and OU, but I'd always like to see more teams I hate on the schedule. No matter what your record is, no matter where you are in the season, it's pretty easy to get hype for a game when you hate the other team. Look man, if you can't be with the one you hate, hate the one you're with. gently caress Kansas State so hard.
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