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Zand posted:mainly slowdown Zand how do you feel about a character named Sin.
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Oct 15, 2016 04:46
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mycot posted:Zand how do you feel about a character named Sin. He has to love him, everyone does. My beautiful perfect angel.
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Oct 15, 2016 05:17
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baiken is cool & I don't understand the hate when every guilty gear character is someones personal satan besides maybe anji with that said if they don't bring back her ability to cancel command run into her guard cancel moves i'll be really sad b/c that was probably the single best change in all of +R and makes her way more interesting
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Oct 15, 2016 05:47
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baiken is like the char that breaks all the rules of how offense works in gg, a game based entirely around cool and exciting offense
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Oct 15, 2016 05:58
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yo mamma a Horus posted:who are some players i should watch if i wanna learn Nine? I don't know who the best are, but I do know where you can look: https://keeponblaz.in/?char1=ph http://www.youtube.com/user/Jourdal2012/search?query=nine
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Oct 15, 2016 05:59
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Toushinsai live with xrd https://www.twitch.tv/toushinsaiofficialtv
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Oct 15, 2016 06:01
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anime was right posted:baiken is like the char that breaks all the rules of how offense works in gg, a game based entirely around cool and exciting offense that's what makes her interesting, only GG would have a character that inherently breaks how the game normally works and yet they're never top tier if you can't adjust to a matchup that's on u
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Oct 15, 2016 06:40
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darealkooky posted:that's what makes her interesting, only GG would have a character that inherently breaks how the game normally works and yet they're never top tier ah yes the classic design where a character is completely contrary to the "spirit of the game" this is called "interesting design" ? ? ? it has nothing to do with matchups or anything like that, the character is just annoying to fight against in a game filled with interesting, fun, and cool characters at least sin feels like a gg character
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Oct 15, 2016 06:53
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darealkooky posted:that's what makes her interesting, only GG would have a character that inherently breaks how the game normally works and yet they're never top tier I don't really know enough or care enough to participate in the main argument here but there are non-GG examples of characters that play a fundamentally different or "breaking the game" style while still being relatively interesting and balanced in the overall scheme of the game. Izanami in BBCF is probably the easiest recent example. Edit: Okay maybe Izanami's a little degenerate but she's still a pretty good example of defying the game's standards/conventions. Shadow Ninja 64 fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Oct 15, 2016 07:47
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This is tangential to the topic at hand but is it possible to mod a Hori Fightstick Mini to have a stiffer joystick spring or anything like that? I got one for ultra cheap a while back and while I really like it sometimes I feel like I'm jamming on it way too hard.
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Oct 15, 2016 16:55
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bad metaphors posted:Toushinsai live with xrd https://www.twitch.tv/toushinsaiofficialtv It was a little disappointing to me that everything was FT1. Still watched it though.
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Oct 15, 2016 17:35
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I don't know much about izanami, but how does she break standard? Isn't she just sentinel? You're still rushing down and hitting buttons.Zand posted:it has nothing to do with matchups or anything like that, the character is just annoying to fight against in a game filled with interesting, fun, and cool characters many characters in guilty gear are annoying to fight against, I don't see how having to change your playstyle to deal with baiken is any more annoying than millia or zato shenanigans darealkooky fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Oct 15, 2016 17:42
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I don't really have much problem with Baiken other than her stab GC having less startup than there is hitstop, and the stupid rear end flip-over move. Other than that I don't think she's less fun to fight against that a bunch of other characters like say uh, Bridget or Zato or Millia.
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Oct 15, 2016 17:47
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Just spit balling here, but is she considered annoying because her alpha counters mean you can't just wail on her with pressure when she is blocking? I never played anything pre-xrd so I don't know.
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Oct 15, 2016 19:47
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The reason people hate Baiken is because even if you're a million times better than the other guy you still have to play Baiken's game when you fight her duh Also lmao https://twitter.com/KantaKun/status/787350850868051968
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Oct 15, 2016 19:49
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Shadow Ninja 64 posted:I don't really know enough or care enough to participate in the main argument here but there are non-GG examples of characters that play a fundamentally different or "breaking the game" style while still being relatively interesting and balanced in the overall scheme of the game. Izanami in BBCF is probably the easiest recent example. Viper sf4 morridoom umvc3 (the interesting part is like 1 player played it well enough to win consistently even though it wasn't initially balanced correctly, phoenix from mvc3 was different for sure
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Oct 15, 2016 20:01
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Seriously guys can I mod my Hori mini? Or what's a good fight stick for under $200? Playing with a joystick has lit the horrid fires of Anime Fighting in the pits of my dark soul and I want to make sure I've got the best tool for the job. I can play with a DS4 just fine but playing with a stick makes everything feel so drat satisfying when your combo goes off perfectly. Also I swear the music for Revelator's tutorial stage is like straight up cribbed from a Mega Man Legends song except updated with a shitload of sweet guitars and stuff. It's awesome and I'm sure it's not intentional (despite the tutorial taking place on a stage covered with endless water....hmm....) but it's driving me bugfucking nuts that I can't place where the track is from and I don't feel like playing through a 19 year old PSX game again on a whim.
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Oct 15, 2016 20:01
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food court bailiff posted:Seriously guys can I mod my Hori mini? Or what's a good fight stick for under $200? Playing with a joystick has lit the horrid fires of Anime Fighting in the pits of my dark soul and I want to make sure I've got the best tool for the job. I can play with a DS4 just fine but playing with a stick makes everything feel so drat satisfying when your combo goes off perfectly. That's the problem with these extra small arcade sticks. The quality isn't very good and they're very difficult to mod. It's better to just buy a good stick from the start rather than spending money twice on a bad stick first and a better stick later. Check the OP of this thread for some recommended current gen sticks: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3772278
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SectumSempra posted:morridoom umvc3 (the interesting part is like 1 player played it well enough to win consistently neither of these change the actual gameplay paradigm the way baiken does, they're just much better than anything else at their niche (marvel style zoning & ambiguous left/right teleport mixups) that people go wow golly this character is taking over the meta morridoom just feels weird because marvel 3 otherwise made zoning kind of bad vs marvel 2, but you can still run something like taskmaster/sentinel/doom if you aren't playing at a top level and make people mad the same as morridoom darealkooky fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Oct 15, 2016 20:59
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food court bailiff posted:Seriously guys can I mod my Hori mini? Or what's a good fight stick for under $200? I'm pretty sure you can swap the stick for a Sanwa JLF, but the buttons aren't mod-able. Baron Snow fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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Oct 16, 2016 04:03
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AnonSpore posted:The reason people hate Baiken is because even if you're a million times better than the other guy you still have to play Baiken's game when you fight her duh This tweet wounded me
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Oct 16, 2016 06:50
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Oh poo poo, Chaos Code PS4 comes out next month in Japan, with netplay and all! Now I can finally play my guilty pleasure fightgame without driving for hours to events.  Of course, then they go around an announce four new characters for the arcade release.  https://twitter.com/A_crimefighter/status/787622710331318273
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Oct 16, 2016 15:50
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And the video. Bike guy looks awesome https://twitter.com/Shado_Onikkisu/status/787618736056434688
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Oct 17, 2016 04:44
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:Oh poo poo, Chaos Code PS4 comes out next month in Japan, with netplay and all! Now I can finally play my guilty pleasure fightgame without driving for hours to events. I believe the four new characters are for the sequel coming in 2017, not arcade release of the update coming to PS4.
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Oct 17, 2016 19:41
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I don't know if I'd call it a sequel exactly, but point stands that they're still new characters being added to the arcade version of the game and not to the console version, and I totally want to play at least two of them.
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Oct 17, 2016 22:18
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Finnicky question: Has anyone here got PC XRD to work for local multiplayer with one Directinput controller and one Xinput controller? I have a directinput fightstick, and then all my other controllers are xbox controllers, but I've tried to set it up a few times to teach people the game. I can only ever get one of the controllers to register at a time, the second player always defaults to the keyboard. I managed to make it work exactly once a year ago using some combination of fiddling with things and Joytokey after an hour of fiddling with it. Since then I've tried again a few times and have never been able to find that magic combination again, I dunno if it broke in a patch or if I'm just an idiot.
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Oct 18, 2016 19:49
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I managed to get a PS3 controller and 360 controller to work at once for PC BBCPEX once. I used SCPServer though, so I don't know what Joytokey is. Try putting the controllers into different USB ports, maybe?
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Oct 18, 2016 21:25
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Cool, I'll give that a shot. Ironically playing +R PC works out of the box with the two different controllers, gently caress if I know why it doesn't for Xrd.
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Oct 18, 2016 22:26
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goon guy made another xrd tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAvwQOBQnE8
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I haven't had as much time as I would like to mess with it, but so far the BBCF demo feels pretty okay. Of the characters I've messed with so far, I've enjoyed Naoto, Celica, and Nine the most. Naoto feeling fun was a surprise to me because the thing that always drove me crazy about execution in BB was the heavy reliance on microdashes in the middle of long combos and Naoto is pretty much Mr. Microdash. Dash canceling out of 5D or 214A into enhanced specials feels good, though, and the corner carry he's capable of coupled with the extended nonsense he can do in the corner makes him pretty fun to dick around with in training. Celica's change with the blue recovery life powering up a couple of her specials makes to easier to do her longer loop stuff, including the afterburner loops with the airplane looking move, but it's also just a tiny bit lame that her combo possibilities and damage are both significantly lowered when she's full up on life. I don't know enough about the game at a high level to know whether the tradeoff ends up being worth it for her, but it's alright to me so far. Nine is cool because her design feels like the most pad-friendly of the cast, or at least of the characters I've tried so far. Even if I end up going back to stick for other characters, I could see sticking with pad for Nine and being just fine. The timing and positioning on a couple of her combo routes frustrates me (mostly doing ...6C 236D 214A into a 4X normal pickup), but that just needs more practice. The entire design around her spell system is one of my favorite character-defining gimmicks/systems in a long time, really.
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Oct 19, 2016 08:55
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Yeah, Nine's gimmick is a really clever evolution of Dorm's from Marvel 3.
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Oct 19, 2016 08:58
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Susano'o is not a good character, but I look forward to someone proving me wrong. Meanwhile, Azrael is almost busted, like the poo poo they gave him feels really loving dumb and I love it, but it's so weird they gave him this stuff. Someone on the Dev Team is in love with him and I can't blame them.
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Oct 19, 2016 10:25
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I don't know if he'll end up good or not but people are finding all kinds of combos with Susano'o that lead into several seal unlocks, especially with early use of OD to turn a small conversion into 4-5 unlocks. Besides just going to Jourdal's channel and searching for Susano'o, here's a couple other resources to look into: Meno's vid, which is probably already somewhat outdated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPRaAabuOPg Kirk Warren's channel, which has a bunch of smaller, specific videos and then this big one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6KW9roRGmE The thing that bothers me about Susano'o is that he's a step in the wrong direction when it comes to shortening combos time-wise, especially if you unlock all his seals and use that one super of his.
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Oct 19, 2016 10:32
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I think the biggest problem with him is just everything you do is something resembling a ton of micromanaging. Any stray hit you get at neutral, any combo you do, it all depends on where you are on the Magatama and if you're not in a spot where you want to be then you need to optimize a combo that'll let you get there and that's just adding a ton of more poo poo to remember. I don't doubt someone can do it, it just seems like it's a shitton of effort for a character whose job is better done with more ease by someone like Azrael. Mind you, when he unlocks poo poo he's scary as hell and has all the stuff in the world he can do, but idk, the character is still super new so anything can happen I guess.
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Oct 19, 2016 10:36
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While keeping track of where you are on the seal for combo start is important, I don't think it's as big a deal breaker as you make it sound, provided you have OD or RC available, anyway. Since unlocking a seal makes the icon jump back to the beginning (on no seal), you can fix situations where your combo starts on a seal that you don't know how to optimize for unlocks by just going into a D move and ODing or RCing ASAP. At that point, I think players who have put in the time to be good with him will be fine, because they'll unlock whatever one or two moves they're aiming for, and having even a couple of those moves unlocked makes every following unlocking combo way easier to coordinate. Azrael being a high tier monster is cool, too.
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Oct 19, 2016 10:53
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I was thinking about that to some level too and yeah that's all pretty fair. It just feels like there's something with the character that makes him... I dunno, not as remarkable as he could be, but like I said he's still super new and the game's not even a month old with the other new characters they added for console stuff too so there's still time to develop on a lot of things I guess.
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Oct 19, 2016 10:56
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Susanoo'll probably be pretty strong but very rarely played, but I think he's a really cool way of making a boss character playable. Being able to unlock all your broken stuff as the match goes on is super fun.
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dhamster posted:goon guy made another xrd tutorial I watched the thing. Some thoughts below. - Using frametraps to punish mashing is extremely valuable, but it's equally important to realize that frametraps have considerable value outside of fishing for CHs. In particular, many players will attempt to take advantage of gaps in your pressure by FD jumping or backdashing, both of which are much safer options than mashing. It's not uncommon to hit the opponent out of jump startup (you can't block during it) or to hit them low out of jump/backdash attempts, and ideally you want to be able to convert from these situations, CH or not. On this note I don't know how I feel about 2P-5H because while you are +1 on block, with the pushback you can't really stop the opponent from superjumping/backdashing and resetting the situation to neutral. In a similar vein I think the guy undervalues going into 6H because it shares the same pushback problem as 5H, only it's not as much of a problem because you are +15!!! and have the ability to jump cancel, instead of +1. You also aren't constrained to a non-KD combo after midscreen 6H since you can opt for c.S-6K xx ciel > dipper or f.S xx dipper. I'm sure there's better combos but w/e. Not to imply 2P-5H is useless ofc; I understand the scope of the video is specifically to beat mashing and you definitely do get a chunky confirmable reward on CH. It also seems like the guy's going through a lot of trouble doing late gatlings out of 2P when he can accomplish the same thing with a 5K starter which has the same startup, hits low, retains most of ky's gatling routes, and has more active frames, i.e. is easier to late gatling out of and is more effective as a frame trapping tool. For the above reasons, I think the second frametrap mentioned in the video (5K-2S) is the most useful and applicable thing you can take away. With enough respect you can even get away with 5K into another 5K. Scary stuff. Iirc many character's 2Ps can be delay chained into another light attack so you can go a step further and open with 2P-(delay) 5K-(delay) c.S or whatever you want really. Starting your blockstring with multiple lights is very potent and non-committal in general. - There's a great variety of frametraps out there. With ky if you have a jump cancel option, you can do tiger knee stun edge with 2369S which works because jump startup is cancellable into specials. So you can stun edge YRC with variable timing during your pressure and it's basically a free in for ky. It's especially valuable if you're in range for YRC stun edge to hit before the YRC flash occurs. With sol you might randomly fafnir, which is -2 on block. If you smell a mash attempt on block and have the meter to RC, you can DP right through their mash. Sometimes you might even want to DP when you don't have the tension. Depending on the range the opponent might mash with their fastest long-range normal (probably f.S) and as such you can use attacks with strong upper-body invul (e.g. slayer 6P) to check this. Closely related to the frametrap is the throw bait; if you have an attack that goes airborne (lookin at you johnny 2H) or is explicitly throw-invincible, you have a great source of potential CHs by faking tick throw attempts or getting into situations where you have frame advantage but are in range of the opponent's throw, most commonly after knockdown. I'm just scratching the surface here. Does that goon post here? He should post here.
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Oct 19, 2016 11:30
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These days it really feels like xrd is the game for babies and blazblue is the game for adults. Gonna learn blazblue in earnest one of these days.
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is xrd now the sfv of anime games ????????????
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