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Whatever you think of the Hinkie Method for Obliterating Your NBA Roster, it's clear that he sold it to the private equity assholes who own the team when they hired him. His big mistake was trusting them to let him see it through.
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Fast Luck posted:No, because he didn't get pushed out because the pieces didn't fit. He got pushed out because parts of ownership got shook and the league applied pressure. Porzingis would've been a really really good fit to have, but from what I've heard ownership actually was against picking him although Hinkie was interested. Porzingus was his first choice by far. Ownership said no.
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Oct 28, 2016 17:53
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Porzingus was his first choice by far. Ownership said no. Is there a source for this or is it just more Hinkie fan fiction?
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Oct 28, 2016 17:57
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Most of the 'success stories' of tanking do it for one year. If you're tanking year after year, you're pretty much losing all the benefits as you get your guys coming off the rookie contracts and you're still rebuilding. People give teams like the Rockets and Mavs poo poo for just reloading with vets year after year but at least those teams go somewhere and a Mavs team built like that did win the finals.
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Oct 28, 2016 17:57
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Space Camp fuckup posted:Is there a source for this or is it just more Hinkie fan fiction? morestuff posted:Ainge building a 48-win team out of one mediocre top-10 pick and a bunch of spare tires is pretty crazy still
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Oct 28, 2016 18:05
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Away all Goats posted:I hope Embiid stays healthy cause he says funny things on twitter I find it hilarious that Embiid grew up in an upper middle class home and his mom drove a Mercedes but when he came to America he told people he killed a lion because Americans will believe anything and then Americans believed it.
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Oct 28, 2016 18:04
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Space Camp fuckup posted:Is there a source for this or is it just more Hinkie fan fiction? quote:Marc Berman of the New York Post is reporting that Sixers ownership preferred the top three American prospects in the draft (so, Jahlil Okafor) over Kristaps Porzingis: Hinkie also had been over to Europe twice to see Zing before anyone else.
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Oct 28, 2016 18:06
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kiimo posted:I find it hilarious that Embiid grew up in an upper middle class home and his mom drove a Mercedes but when he came to America he told people he killed a lion because Americans will believe anything and then Americans believed it. Link?
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Oct 28, 2016 18:09
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Bashez posted:I really liked Aldridge last year defensively. This is probably just a bunch of premature stuff but he just doesn't look as focused right now. Lee has been pretty surprising, actually. I know I'm just blowing a tiny sample size out of proportion. Aldridge looked great defensively against Golden State imo. He was the biggest guy on the court who wasn't a total stiff like Pachulia or getting lovely foul calls like Gasol and he did the big guy's job on the boards. I didn't catch the Kings game but if there's one Spur who I would expect to act like a normal person who hadn't been yelled at by Pop since he was 19 and take it a bit easy after crushing a superteam, it would be him. I think him taking a low-spotlight night a little off is understandable, but obviously not good and I hope/bet his effort becomes more consistent as the year goes pn like last season. In summary yeah I wouldn't take a close win against the Kings as the team is coming down off a huge high as a sign of much to worry about. Props Department posted:Whatever you think of the Hinkie Method for Obliterating Your NBA Roster, it's clear that he sold it to the private equity assholes who own the team when they hired him. His big mistake was trusting them to let him see it through. This is an excellent point in that he realized it would be incredibly easy to convince them he could Disrupt building an NBA team.
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Oct 28, 2016 18:11
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Metapod posted:Link? quote:Embiid was raised in an upper middle class home in the Cameroonian capital of Yaounde. His parents made him wash his own clothes by hand, but they employed a maid. His mother drove a Mercedes. He ate omelettes for breakfast. He was not allowed to play sports until he had memorized all the notes he jotted throughout the day’s classes. “I was a little soft,” Embiid says, “but the Americans had no idea about any of that. They just knew I was from Africa. They thought I grew up poor, in the jungle, killing lions. I was like, If that’s how they think of me, I’m going to use it.” http://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/26/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-the-process/?xid=socialflow_twitter_si This whole article is a pro click
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Oct 28, 2016 18:13
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Metapod posted:Link? http://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/26/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-the-process
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kiimo posted:I find it hilarious that Embiid grew up in an upper middle class home and his mom drove a Mercedes but when he came to America he told people he killed a lion because Americans will believe anything and then Americans believed it. Embiid always sounds like a dude it'd be super fun to hang out with.
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Oct 28, 2016 18:13
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Hinkie in summer 2013 took over a team coming off a 34-48 season where their 10 best players by win shares descending were Thad Young, Dorell Wright, Spencer Hawes, Jrue Holiday, Lavoy Allen, Nick Young, Evan Turner, Damien Wilkins, Arnett Moultrie, Jason Richardson. Several of the teams with a worse record than the 76ers that season already had future cornerstones on their teams e.g. Anthony Davis, Boogie, John Wall, Kyrie, Kevin Love. The ones that imo did not are Charlotte, Phoenix and Orlando. Charlotte are capped out and over-performed last year to finish 6th in the East, the other 2 franchises are terrible...
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Oct 28, 2016 18:20
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ragle posted:Hinkie in summer 2013 took over a team coming off a 34-48 season where their 10 best players by win shares descending were Thad Young, Dorell Wright, Spencer Hawes, Jrue Holiday, Lavoy Allen, Nick Young, Evan Turner, Damien Wilkins, Arnett Moultrie, Jason Richardson. All three are better than the Sixers are right now.
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Oct 28, 2016 18:23
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The Sixers are in about the same place as the Lakers are except the Lakers have the advantage of having gotten their young guys a year of playing time (which is not necessarily the Sixers' fault of course but the Lakers also started rebuilding like two years after the Sixers)
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Oct 28, 2016 18:22
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I mean, for years of being abjectly terrible, they maybe - maybe - have 1 star if everything breaks (or doesn't break) right in Embiid, a solid if unspectacular Saric and one of Noel or Okafor who are both deeply flawed. I agree with the idea behind the Process, but I don't think it's unfair to say that it hasn't exactly produced incredible results.
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Oct 28, 2016 18:31
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ragle posted:Charlotte are capped out and over-performed last year to finish 6th in the East, the other 2 franchises are terrible... Charlotte is a good team that could be a top 4 seed this year
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Oct 28, 2016 18:32
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Panzeh posted:People give teams like the Rockets and Mavs poo poo for just reloading with vets year after year but at least those teams go somewhere and a Mavs team built like that did win the finals. That's because the Rockets and Mavs have their Superstar
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Oct 28, 2016 18:34
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Henchman of Santa posted:All three are better than the Sixers are right now. I would way rather be in the 76ers shoes than the Suns, probably more than Orlando. Charlotte looks like they'll be a decent enough playoff team but probably never a contender so it depends on how you'd value that.
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Oct 28, 2016 18:33
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roundmidnight posted:I mean, for years of being abjectly terrible, they maybe - maybe - have 1 star if everything breaks (or doesn't break) right in Embiid, a solid if unspectacular Saric and one of Noel or Okafor who are both deeply flawed. Ben Simmons RIP
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Oct 28, 2016 18:37
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You can make all the right decisions and still have things go wrong. Philly is proof of that. You can make all the wrong decisions and have things go right. Cleveland is proof of that.
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Oct 28, 2016 18:39
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Jota posted:Ben Simmons RIP I tried to only focus on people who have actually played!
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Oct 28, 2016 18:53
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IcePhoenix posted:That's because the Rockets and Mavs have their Superstar People have also been saying the Mavs should tear it down since 2008.
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What every argument about the Process being a mistake seems to miss is that the Sixers were the epitome of mediocrity and the business as usual practices that detractors are favoring. They were also on the cusp putting on a really terrible product featuring a broken Jrue Holiday (which I guess they were aware of) and Evan Turner and virtually zero chance at being even an Eastern Conference contender for a long time. At the very least, this process has given them at least an outside shot at superstars and a chance at being contenders. As things stand, it seems pretty likely that at worst, they'll either return to some form of mediocrity with the likes of Embiid, Saric, Simmons, etc. Maybe they won't win the title, but if they could at least reach that permanent "threat" status that teams like the Clippers or the Dirk Mavs for most of the past two decades reached (counting all the years they didn't reach the Finals), it'd at least be a satisfying ride for a starving fanbase.
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Oct 28, 2016 19:03
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This was just decent until the end then it was amazing
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Oct 28, 2016 19:07
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i just watched last nights spurs game, and let me say: dave joeger is amazing. what he got out of that kings team is drat impressive. i wish him and them all the luck in the world. also i'm glad the spurs won, and kawhi is the front runner for mvp as of 2 games. 80 more to go.
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Oct 28, 2016 19:11
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roundmidnight posted:I tried to only focus on people who have actually played! It would be disingenuous to leave out what at the time is one of their biggest assets from that discussion
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Fast Luck posted:He only did one on-court workout for NBA teams before the draft but Hinkie went several times to Spain to see him, and I heard the Sixers had seen more of King Zing than any other franchise This is the story I was going off of: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-unlikely-story-of-how-kristaps-porzingis-found-his-way-to-the-knicks-072828935.html quote:Whatever happened, Miller didn't make it easy for Philadelphia to draft Porzingis at No. 3. The Sixers wouldn't be afforded Porzingis' physical, nor get a private workout, nor even a face-to-face meeting. After most of the pro day executives cleared out of the gym in Vegas in mid-June, 76ers general manager Sam Hinkie lingered to meet with Miller. Hinkie stopped him in the lobby area and asked Miller about a chance to sit down and visit with Porzingis. Of course, Woj may have been playing politics by framing the story the way he did it. Just interesting that there are two dissenting stories.
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Oct 28, 2016 19:14
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Hinkie also had been over to Europe twice to see Zing before anyone else. That doesn't say one thing about Hinkie wanting Porzingis over Okafor "by far."
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Oct 28, 2016 19:18
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This ties into something I've been thinking about lately. Do you think that basketball media downplays the importance of agent/front office relationships in evaluating signings and transactions? Like we heard that agents hated Hinkie for depressing players' value and his infamous 4-year minimum contracts, and that Dan Fegan had a lot of sway over Dallas's management for the last few years. Are there other storylines like this we're missing out on, or do reporters shy away from talking about player representation because it's just not that interesting?
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iamsosmrt posted:What every argument about the Process being a mistake seems to miss is that the Sixers were the epitome of mediocrity and the business as usual practices that detractors are favoring. They were also on the cusp putting on a really terrible product featuring a broken Jrue Holiday (which I guess they were aware of) and Evan Turner and virtually zero chance at being even an Eastern Conference contender for a long time. I agree 100%. Not even the most win now of GMs would've done anything other than go into full out tank mode. And most of Hinkie's decisions were good ones. Noel is about the 6th best player of the 2013 draft class. MCW didn't work out but he was considered a good pick at the time and was flipped for the Lakers 1st. Embiid was the right pick. Payton looks good for Orlando but they got a pretty promising player in Saric and a 2017 1st for him. Okafor was the consensus pick and has the potential to be a better Enes Kanter. And Ben Simmons was the consensus pick as well.
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Oct 28, 2016 19:22
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Watched that DWade mean mug like 85 times, that's a KG caliber mug.
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Oct 28, 2016 19:29
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nachos posted:Everyone here knew he was shook years ago when he got that tattoo on his chest or wherever that was entirely covered by a jersey He's shakier than the hand of the tattoo artist that spelled mature "mautre" Do we get like a week off of Bulls fan anger from the win last night?
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Oct 28, 2016 19:39
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Losing 7A_NBA was a greater blow than I realized.
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Oct 28, 2016 19:42
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Some good content for people hungry for more Embiid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFQO-yPHl70&t=1350s
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NickRoweFillea posted:Losing 7A_NBA was a greater blow than I realized. https://medium.com/perspective-7a
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Props Department posted:This ties into something I've been thinking about lately. Do you think that basketball media downplays the importance of agent/front office relationships in evaluating signings and transactions? Like we heard that agents hated Hinkie for depressing players' value and his infamous 4-year minimum contracts, and that Dan Fegan had a lot of sway over Dallas's management for the last few years. Are there other storylines like this we're missing out on, or do reporters shy away from talking about player representation because it's just not that interesting? Honestly, it's probably because the agents are the ones leaking the stories.
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