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humpthewind posted:Gonna buy tickets to the Austin Spurs play the D-Fenders so I can cheer for Zubac really loudly. if you're not joking let us know how it is, seems like it could be a fun thing to do Tae posted:The gently caress, how did Thibs get 4 years/64 million. It would be funny if Thibs insane workaholism makes him the first good coach-GM
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chunkles posted:prepare the declan signal *shines an image of larry bird lying on his back during the olympics into the sky* LARRY BIRD IS A GOOD DEFENDER IF WE ONLY COUNT STEALS, REBOUNDS, AND ABANDONED CHILDREN AS OUR METRICS
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Is Steven Adams good I mean, I would automatically say "He's not $25 million a year good" but this is a brave new world
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Oct 31, 2016 23:17
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tatankatonk posted:Is Steven Adams good He's going to be a top 5 centre in this league for a while if he isn't one already.
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Smellyhead posted:He's going to be a top 5 centre in this league for a while if he isn't one already. what
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Oct 31, 2016 23:20
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I feel like "top 5" or "top 10" center in the NBA is a label that is tossed around without anyone attempting to count. Kind of like how people throw out "one of the best passing big men" label without attempting to compare to anyone else.
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Oct 31, 2016 23:22
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WhyteRyce posted:I feel like "top 5" or "top 10" center in the NBA is a label that is tossed around without anyone attempting to count. Kind of like how people throw out "one of the best passing big men" label without attempting to compare to anyone else. Also only trotted out when someone wants to eliminate all of the 7' power forwards who definitely should not be compared to 7' centers.
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Oct 31, 2016 23:28
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Shear Modulus posted:Even if he didn't inherit a 17-win team, he was such a high-profile hire and "get" that the honeymoon period would hopefully last at least a year, but then again I don't know the pulse of Lakers fans. When the Pels got Gentry fresh off the Warriors championship with him as lead assistant, the honeymoon period was over after the first ten games.
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What does Steven Adams do really well? I don't mean to be snide, it's just that i've always thought his game is so workmanlike that he just kind of fades into the background until somebody like zach lowe points out that he does X unusually well
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tatankatonk posted:What does Steven Adams do really well? I don't mean to be snide, it's just that i've always thought his game is so workmanlike that he just kind of fades into the background until somebody like zach lowe points out that he does X unusually well He's really good at being big and using his bigness to be effective on defense around the rim. On offense, he can be relied on to finish dump-off passes and maybe hit some 8 ft jumpers occasionally. IIRC, he also sets effective screens.
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tatankatonk posted:What does Steven Adams do really well? I don't mean to be snide, it's just that i've always thought his game is so workmanlike that he just kind of fades into the background until somebody like zach lowe points out that he does X unusually well Danny Chau wrote a good article last week. https://theringer.com/steven-adams-new-oklahoma-city-thunder-star-nba-436156b161b7#.pox8zcwan
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WhyteRyce posted:I feel like "top 5" or "top 10" center in the NBA is a label that is tossed around without anyone attempting to count. Kind of like how people throw out "one of the best passing big men" label without attempting to compare to anyone else. Only like ten big men are good at passing and none of them except for Diaw and Gasol compare to the gold standard of Chris Webber/KG so idk man
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Oct 31, 2016 23:46
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Kibner posted:He's really good at being big and using his bigness to be effective on defense around the rim. On offense, he can be relied on to finish dump-off passes and maybe hit some 8 ft jumpers occasionally. IIRC, he also sets effective screens. Plus his interview game is first team all-NBA level
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Ghost Dog posted:what This article has him top 8 and it appeared on the nba.com so it must be true! I actually have him ahead of a few of the others in the top 5 on that list, but I could be higher on him based mostly on the fact that he is an awesome Kiwi. http://www.nba.com/article/2016/10/21/fran-blinebury-ranks-top-centers-2016-17-nba-season
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Smellyhead posted:He's going to be a top 5 centre in this league for a while if he isn't one already. Hassan Whiteside Al Horford Marc Gasol if he is healthy and keeps shooting and making threes Rudy Gobert Deandre Jordan Karl Tony DMC Dwight then Adams? this is just from memory though, so I might be missing people Declan MacManus posted:Only like ten big men are good at passing and none of them except for Diaw and Gasol compare to the gold standard of Chris Webber/KG so idk man straight up brolic fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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He's the centerpiece of my all-NBA competitive eating team
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straight up brolic posted:well he isn't one already i can tell you that much I always forget how good he is at passing, why doesn't anyone talk about it like they did Kevin Love's ~*~*~*outlet passes~*~*~*~*~
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tatankatonk posted:What does Steven Adams do really well? I don't mean to be snide, it's just that i've always thought his game is so workmanlike that he just kind of fades into the background until somebody like zach lowe points out that he does X unusually well His positioning and footwork are good and his passing is evolving. Plus he's 7 foot tall and you can't teach that
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chunkles posted:He's the centerpiece of my all-NBA competitive eating team C: Adams PF: Sullinger SF: Diaw SG: ??? PG: Lin (using the Kobayashi technique)
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Declan MacManus posted:I always forget how good he is at passing, why doesn't anyone talk about it like they did Kevin Love's ~*~*~*outlet passes~*~*~*~*~ NickRoweFillea posted:Plus he's 7 foot tall and you can't teach that
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Declan MacManus posted:I always forget how good he is at passing, why doesn't anyone talk about it like they did Kevin Love's ~*~*~*outlet passes~*~*~*~*~ Half the reason Kevin Love's outlet passing became a running joke here is that was listed as a reason why he was drafted. (and that reason made Gendo very angry.) The other half is they are sweet outlet passes. We probably don't talk about Griffin's passing as much because he basically didn't play last season. due to beating up a trainer and then causing that guy to lose his dream job
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 Hello police? Yes I would like to report a robbery in downtown Minneapolis thank you.
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tatankatonk posted:What does Steven Adams do really well? I don't mean to be snide, it's just that i've always thought his game is so workmanlike that he just kind of fades into the background until somebody like zach lowe points out that he does X unusually well 100m and he can't guard Embiid so there's that.
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NickRoweFillea posted:His positioning and footwork are good and his passing is evolving. Plus he's 7 foot tall and you can't teach that Actually you can, but you have to start when they are babies quote:A minister as well as a medical doctor, he quickly realized that taller players had an advantage in basketball and wondered if there was a way to stretch babies to make them grow taller. Naismith actually conducted experiments on a machine he invented.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Bird had a few seasons that were comparable and played much better defense than either one. If you put 2016 Curry and his shooting into the 1980s NBA his team might go 80-2 and sportscasters, gov't agencies would be saying he was an alien or a USSR biogenetic experiment that escaped the lab. milk milk lemonade posted:Curry had an excellent season and is an amazing player. my point (not joking in the slightest) is that Irving had a better series than Curry by every metric. There are a ton of metrics. Curry was better in a lot of them than Kyrie. milk milk lemonade posted:...I feel like seven games is pretty decisive. Seven games is not much really. I wouldn't draw serious conclusions from anything less than twenty games. Playoff series of 1, 3, 5 or 7 games (and 9 many years back) have been the pro sports standard in the US for so long that it's accepted.
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Anthony Davis is not a top 5 center because he is a top 5 PF/C
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chunkles posted:if you're not joking let us know how it is, seems like it could be a fun thing to do I went to three or four Austin Spurs games last year and had a blast. You can get a giant 32oz beer for 10 bucks and watch meaningless basketball. Worth the 15 dollar ticket imo. Also if you go once they start emailing you about free tickets. Definitely worth it then. I just look at it like going to minor league baseball games. Get buzzed and heckle.
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positions are outdated, the only way to label basketball players, there are only alphas and non-alphas
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taj gibson is a semi-alpha doug mcdermott? alpha-adjacent MCW: potential alpha
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Lockback posted:You absolutely have to not count Wilt in these conversations, otherwise there is no reason to have these conversations. Wilt had bad FT shooting throughout his whole career. If he had average (or even below average) FT shooting he would've completely broken up the 1960s Celtics dynasty. But he had awful FT shooting so his teams lost a ton of close games with him shooting like DeAndre Jordan. Hashtag Banterzone posted:Someone (Zogo) estimate what Wilt's PER would've been in his 3 best seasons if they counted blocks and he averaged 8.8 a game for that time period. There's no good way to do that as there's so many missing pieces to the modern PER formula when applied to the 1960s. Steals, turnovers, ORBs, DRBs are all missing from the individual and league level. The 1960s was the era of statistical inflation as teams were playing at a ridiculous pace as well. If we had exact data a lot of value stats would be deflated. If we just magically added individual blocks and league blocks to the 1960s it's safe to assume his PER would go up. PER = (1 / MP) * (3P + (2/3) * AST + (2 - (2/3) - (0.5 * (lg_AST / lg_FG)) / (2 * (lg_FG / lg_FT)) * (team_AST / team_FG)) * FG + (FT * 0.5 * (1 + (1 - (team_AST / team_FG)) + (2/3) * (team_AST / team_FG))) - lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA) * TOV - lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA) * lg_TRB - lg_ORB) / lg_TRB * (FGA - FG) - lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA) * 0.44 * (0.44 + (0.56 * lg_TRB - lg_ORB) / lg_TRB)) * (FTA - FT) + lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA) * (1 - lg_TRB - lg_ORB) / lg_TRB) * (TRB - ORB) + lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA) * lg_TRB - lg_ORB) / lg_TRB * ORB + lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA) * STL + lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA) * lg_TRB - lg_ORB) / lg_TRB * BLK - PF * ((lg_FT / lg_PF) - 0.44 * (lg_FTA / lg_PF) * lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA))) * (lg_Pace / team_Pace) * (15 / lg_aPER) lg_TOV and lg_ORB is all over the PER formula and we don't have those for the 1960s. Now if you took a modern day elite player (who already was leading the league in PER) and gave him 700+ blocks in a season his PER would go up ~6-8 points.
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WhyteRyce posted:Anthony Davis is not a top 5 center because he is a top 5 PF/C
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Zogo posted:If you put 2016 Curry and his shooting into the 1980s NBA his team might go 80-2 and sportscasters, gov't agencies would be saying he was an alien or a USSR biogenetic experiment that escaped the lab. Until someone like Rick Mahorn-esque mofo crushed him into Bolivia. I'm also not sure how well he'd handle the hand checking that he doesn't have to deal with today.
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$21m a year for Oladipo is just the Thunder's strategy to make $17m a year for Kanter seem reasonable.
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So the Thunder's locked up core is: Westbrook, Adams, Oladipo, Kanter? That, uh, doesn't seem like a contender
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For sure, the Davis Brothers would have broken all of Curry's bones and put him into a t-shirt cannon, which would have also startled people because it hadn't been invented yet
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WhyteRyce posted:Dissect this whos red ranger and obama?
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i didn't know that i was waiting all of my life for Stacey King in the Three Alphas Era
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tatankatonk posted:So the Thunder's locked up core is: Westbrook, Adams, Oladipo, Kanter? That, uh, doesn't seem like a contender Plus Payne, Huestis and Sabonis on rookie contracts and Alex Abrines. Kanter though will probably opt out in summer 2018 as some team will pay him max/near-max to be their starter. 
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