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Sydin posted:Here's an article arguing for neither Dexter or Almora. Put Schwarber in LF, Heyward CF, Zobrist RF, functionally replacing Dex's bat with Schwarber's. Also gets the bonus of Javy getting to start every day at 2B. I guess Soler gets traded or cries in a corner or something, the article doesn't mention him. Alternatively I guess he could be platooned with Schwarbs against lefties but eeeehhhh That's not an article, that's Steve Rosenbloom typing up whatever he felt like barfing into the sink this morning. Christ, I hate him.
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Nov 7, 2016 19:58
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The thing that scares me is that the Cubs haven't been very good when Fowler has been injured over the last 2 seasons. I'd hate for this to be one of those moves that backfires and the team has a giant hole at the top of the lineup all year.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:02
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Man. I must have been not paying much attention but I guess Mark Trumbo's defence was especially vile this year. How do you hit 47 dingers and end up with less WAR than Darwin Barney.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:12
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FlamingLiberal posted:Marlins hired former manager Fredi Gonzalez as 3rd base coach God damnit, now I have to see his stupid fat head like 18 times
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Nov 7, 2016 20:25
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Niwrad posted:The thing that scares me is that the Cubs haven't been very good when Fowler has been injured over the last 2 seasons. I'd hate for this to be one of those moves that backfires and the team has a giant hole at the top of the lineup all year. Fowler played 156 games in 2015 and the Cubs won 97 games. Yes they did go through an 11-17 stretch this season when he was injured but the pitching staff during that time had an ERA a full point and a half above what they ended at this season.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:25
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Niwrad posted:That's fine but do the Cubs spend the money on the bullpen or more crazy Trump ads? Decline Hammels Option, sign a SP who is not Jason Hammel and improve the Bullpen. Spending money for no reason is what bad teams do and the Cubs are officially not bad team anymore.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:30
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Chexoid posted:Man. I must have been not paying much attention but I guess Mark Trumbo's defence was especially vile this year. How do you hit 47 dingers and end up with less WAR than Darwin Barney. He also sucks at baserunning and offense was up all over the league and the AL East has 4/5 hitter friendly parks so the total offensive component of his WAR was roughly equivalent to Kole Calhoun on Fangraphs and worse on BREF. tadashi fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Nov 7, 2016 |
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Nov 7, 2016 20:32
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Chexoid posted:Man. I must have been not paying much attention but I guess Mark Trumbo's defence was especially vile this year. How do you hit 47 dingers and end up with less WAR than Darwin Barney. The OBP below .320 didn't help
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Nov 7, 2016 20:40
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Paul Zuvella posted:Decline Hammels Option, sign a SP who is not Jason Hammel and improve the Bullpen. Spending money for no reason is what bad teams do and the Cubs are officially not bad team anymore. If they wanted a SP they would have kept Hammel who is probably a better value than anyone on the market. Spending money just to spend is bad. But letting good players go at positions you need and not replacing them would be worse.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:41
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The Cubs are probably thinking of trying Montgomery out as a fifth starter unless a prospect breaks through during the season. Montgomery is under team control for the next 5 seasons yet.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:46
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tadashi posted:He also sucks at baserunning and offense was up all over the league and the AL East has 4/5 hitter friendly parks so the total offensive component of his WAR was roughly equivalent to Kole Calhoun on Fangraphs and worse on BREF. Is the Trop actually pitcher-friendly, or is that more a matter of Tampa having done fairly well with starting pitching the last few years? I would have pegged the entire AL East as the division where baseballs go to die.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:53
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Nail Rat posted:The Cubs are probably thinking of trying Montgomery out as a fifth starter unless a prospect breaks through during the season. Montgomery is under team control for the next 5 seasons yet. I bet Zaz also gets a chance to show what he's worth as a starter during spring training, with ties going to Montgomery.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:04
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CubsWoo posted:The Fowler-Theo 'handshake agreement' either didn't exist or has just been broken, as Dex has been given a Qualifying Offer. The other Cub FA and their last salary as of right now: Did we have confirmation of the Fowler-QO gentlemen's agreement thing or was it just kind of assumed? Just like it was assumed that they'd hang onto Hammel and trade him, only to find out that that was expressly not the intent and his option was declined at his choice. CubsWoo posted:The clear answer is for Maddon to utilize his new weapon, "Wheels" Schwarber, as a  Niwrad posted:That's fine but do the Cubs spend the money on the bullpen or more crazy Trump ads? All joking aside this is entirely irrelevant in less than 48 hours....
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Nov 7, 2016 21:05
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Niwrad posted:If they wanted a SP they would have kept Hammel who is probably a better value than anyone on the market. Jason Hammel is a league average pitcher who is going to be 34. They can do extremely better than him in free agency. Stealth edit: actually now that I'm looking at the pitching market, the best option is literally Jeremy Hellickson. Man the free agency crop is total garbage this year.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:29
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Paul Zuvella posted:Jason Hammel is a league average pitcher who is going to be 34. They can do extremely better than him in free agency. Yeah in this market $8 million for 150 innings of mostly league average starting pitching seems like a loving steal
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Nov 7, 2016 21:37
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Make Z or Montgomery the fifth starter, spend money on a closer IMO.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:42
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Pat Hughes is among the finalists for the Hall of Fame's Ford Frick award. Of course, Hawk Harrelson is also up for the award, so this doesn't seem very credible.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:44
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Nail Rat posted:Make Z or Montgomery the fifth starter, spend money on a closer IMO. Dexter's and Hammel's money can be given to Jansen.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:44
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Dexter's and Hammel's money can be given to Jansen. They don't have to take money from one place and move it to another. The Cubs are literally in Yankees/Dodgers value territory now. Just spend the drat money.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:46
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Pat Hughes is among the finalists for the Hall of Fame's Ford Frick award. Aren't like three or four of the Frick finalists voted upon by fans through the Hall's Facebook page?
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Nov 7, 2016 21:49
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I would like to see them re-sign Fowler and use the Edwin Jackson/Jason Hammel money to sign Jensen. Chapman scares me much more in the long term than Jensen who has a smoother delivery and less wear on his arm.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:55
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Niwrad posted:I would like to see them re-sign Fowler and use the Edwin Jackson/Jason Hammel money to sign Jensen. Also Jensen doesn't hit his wife and also knows how to cover first base.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:56
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If I'm Hammel I'm glad the Cubs didn't pick up my option. He's probably a top three or top five pitcher in this market.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:57
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Ammat The Ankh posted:If I'm Hammel I'm glad the Cubs didn't pick up my option. He's probably a top three or top five pitcher in this market. Exactly. Dude is gonna get overpaid because he's king of Turd Mountain.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:59
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On the topic of not free agency, isn't this supposed to be the offseason the Wrigley bullpens are moved under the bleachers? I just found myself thinking about it and couldn't dig up anything more recent than last year.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:59
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Ammat The Ankh posted:If I'm Hammel I'm glad the Cubs didn't pick up my option. He's probably a top three or top five pitcher in this market. That's why I'm surprised they didn't pick up the option and trade him. Someone would have given up something to get him in the rotation next year.
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Nov 7, 2016 22:00
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Explosionface posted:On the topic of not free agency, isn't this supposed to be the offseason the Wrigley bullpens are moved under the bleachers? its sad that the san fransicso giants will be the last NL team to respect the good and correct position of bullpens.
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Nov 7, 2016 22:15
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When do they announce the Cy Young so I can be mad it isn't Hendricks
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Nov 7, 2016 22:18
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Goodpancakes posted:When do they announce the Cy Young so I can be mad it isn't Hendricks November 16. Full awards schedule available at http://m.mlb.com/awards/
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Nov 7, 2016 22:28
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:its sad that the san fransicso giants will be the last NL team to respect the good and correct position of bullpens. I was going question this, but then I remembered how many relief pitchers I would have liked to see get murdered on the field so never mind
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Nov 7, 2016 22:29
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Also Jensen doesn't hit his wife and also knows how to cover first base. He also is a converted catcher so can be an emergency backup!
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Nov 7, 2016 22:32
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Niwrad posted:That's why I'm surprised they didn't pick up the option and trade him. Someone would have given up something to get him in the rotation next year. They specifically mentioned that they weren't going to do this.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:its sad that the san fransicso giants will be the last NL team to respect the good and correct position of bullpens. I'm gonna miss watching opposing players fall down from tripping over the bullpen mound while trying to catch a pop-up. I'm also gonna miss the Cubs bullpen not flinching as a line drive screams their way.  I know the office building is also supposed to be done this offseason. Will the plaza be done too or is that in another year?
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Nov 7, 2016 22:38
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Goodpancakes posted:When do they announce the Cy Young so I can be mad it isn't Hendricks If only there was an easy to find post that contained information like this. Maybe even the first one in the thread. Man, that would sure be handy.
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Nov 7, 2016 22:43
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IcePhoenix posted:If only there was an easy to find post that contained information like this. Maybe even the first one in the thread. Man, that would sure be handy. Sorry I missed that!
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Nov 7, 2016 22:54
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CubsWoo posted:He's the #2 CF on the market playing a position where Fowler would probably be an upgrade anywhere but Anaheim, Boston and Tampa Or Kansas City or Philly or Toronto or Washington or the White Sox or Colorado or Baltimore or Florida or Pittsburgh or Arizona or The Dodgers.
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Nov 7, 2016 22:54
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Niwrad posted:That's why I'm surprised they didn't pick up the option and trade him. Someone would have given up something to get him in the rotation next year. From what I understand the Cubs essentially treated the team option like a player option, and approached Hammel to ask him if he wanted to stick around for another year or test the FA market. Hammel said he'd rather leave, so the club let him go. There's a fangraphs article that digs a bit into the reasoning for just letting him walk, and the argument I find most compelling is that the Cubs didn't really need him, either as a pitcher or a trade piece. There are young pitchers waiting in the wings to take the #5 spot in Montgomery/Zastryzny in the immediate future, and looking forward to patching up an aging rotation in Lester/Lackey/Arrieta the Cubs are swimming in a veritable mountain of cash they can throw at the problem.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:I'm gonna miss watching opposing players fall down from tripping over the bullpen mound while trying to catch a pop-up. I'm also gonna miss the Cubs bullpen not flinching as a line drive screams their way. basically any time they make changes to a park that aren't quality-of-life improvements for the fans i think it's dumb. renovating clubhouses is one thing, but removing tal's hill is loving stupid and removing foul-territory bullpens is loving stupid too. my favorite thing about baseball is that there are barely any rules about the layout of the park other than the configuration of the infield. you want a triangular outfield wall? why the gently caress not? polo groups? go for it! 700ft as your short porch? gently caress it, why not?
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Sydin posted:Here's an article arguing for neither Dexter or Almora. Put Schwarber in LF, Heyward CF, Zobrist RF, functionally replacing Dex's bat with Schwarber's. Also gets the bonus of Javy getting to start every day at 2B. I guess Soler gets traded or cries in a corner or something, the article doesn't mention him. Alternatively I guess he could be platooned with Schwarbs against lefties but eeeehhhh I am cool with the ideas expressed in this article. I'm willing to wager that the opinion across MLB of Jorge Soler is higher than SAS' which would make him a nice piece of the package for a controllable arm. Zobrist can roam RF for a few years then Eloy Jimenez can slide on in. Almora will still get AB's as the designated Schwarber against tough lefties while spelling everyone else and if/when Heyward rebounds and opts out you've got a CF waiting in the wings. If everyone is cool playing 4-5 times a week you could probably keep Soler in that rotation as well, but I wouldn't platoon Schwarber, just give him his days off when you're facing a Kershaw type.
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