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Graic Gabtar posted:The power of not turning up is underrated here. Democrats didn't want four more years of Obama and they didn't have to vote reluctantly.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:They did, but the key word there is Obama. He's still popular, especially among Dems.
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cohsae posted:Remember reading an Australian piece not long ago, they found plenty of first and second generation non-white immigrants/refugees in western Sydney who were all totally onboard with our gross immigration policies because they were all afraid they would suffer economically without those policies protecting their jobs and services. The only moral immigration is my immigration.
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Can anyone explain to me what direct instruction in teaching is and why it is so beloved by right wingers?
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Can anyone explain to me what direct instruction in teaching is and why it is so beloved by right wingers? Isn't that just rote info committal without teaching someone the 'how' of say a math problem. It turns every class into a sermon or lecture without consideration for the material or building a student's skills.
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Nov 11, 2016 07:51
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Is it related to their strange passion for phonics?
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Can anyone explain to me what direct instruction in teaching is and why it is so beloved by right wingers? EVERYONE SHUT UP THIS IS MY poo poo Direct instruction is teaching by passive learning, the idea that students receive information from the teacher and just kind of absorb it like a sponge. Teachers may or may not have lessons that are basically scripted for them depending on just how much the curriculum wants to hew to the idea. It is very much the classical idea of teaching, where the teacher stands at the front of the classroom and talks at the students. It is not too far from rote learning and does away with a lot of things like cultural context, student-led learning, class discussions, and so on. It also establishes the teacher and students in a very rigid relationship. It is designed to try and shove students through the curriculum as quickly as possible with students being grouped by academic scores and so on. It does not do anything to help students from different backgrounds, whether those are cultural, economic or social. In that sense, it promotes a singular identity by simply eschewing all other possibilities. With that in mind, it is easy to see why the right wing thinks it is a good idea. edit: frogfingers you've ruined me 
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nyerf posted:So does this kill the TPP or what? Obama still wants to push it through in the next 2 months. Trump might kill it, but only in terms that America has signed up so other countries might keep it in that case?
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Milky Moor posted:EVERYONE SHUT UP THIS IS MY poo poo Well I'm aware of the concept, but if you have any more insight into this, like where and who is pushing this, I'd love to know more.
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Frogfingers posted:Well I'm aware of the concept, but if you have any more insight into this, like where and who is pushing this, I'd love to know more. Yeah seconded. This kind of thing is quite interesting to me!
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Also if you can explain the phonics thing I'd be really grateful too. E: ewe2 posted:Apparently a black Muslim guy wants to run the DNC (Democrat National Committee). Now he sounds like a great guy, but can you think of anything more dumb just after this election? Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 08:28
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Also if you can explain the phonics thing I'd be really grateful too. 
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Frogfingers posted:Well I'm aware of the concept, but if you have any more insight into this, like where and who is pushing this, I'd love to know more. Redcordial posted:Yeah seconded. This kind of thing is quite interesting to me! I only really know the classroom implications of it. It is important to note, though, that Australia has heavily politicized teaching and the curriculum, especially in the humanities. The so-called 'history wars' (black armband view of history, etc) is the most obvious example of that. Ultimately, the conservative side of things wants to basically teach a list of facts which are presented as immutable and eternal and the more progressive side wants to focus more on different viewpoints and cultural contexts. This is because both sides have a very different view of what the goal of education is - rote-learning vs self-actualisation. Ultimately Direct Instruction (the particular sort of direct instruction which Pyne wants to implement, which is also a distinct product) is very much the style of teaching which is about instilling facts. If I wanted to be very cynical about it, I would say the emphasis would also be on making teaching easier and requiring less intelligent people. If teaching is established to require less planning and thought on behalf of the teacher, where you just need to hire people who can literally follow a script, then you basically take a lot of people out of the teaching space which means less people encouraging the next generations in how to think. I think a lot of Direct Instruction classes were rolled out in poor indigenous communities as a testbed (NT, WA and QLD) a few years ago but I'm not sure what the results were. I think, generally speaking though, DI involves a boost in basic-level numeracy and literacy (we are talking early primary school here) because that's the sort of thing that benefits most from rote repetition and learning. It is when you get into the later year levels, or more specific subjects, where DI falls to pieces. DI's like NAPLAN. It makes politicians feel good and gives them a lot of nice numbers to look at, make it easier to quantify teaching - as if that's a thing that is easily done, or should be done. The phonics thing is a mystery to me, too. I don't know much about it. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Wasn't Noel Pearson running direct instruction schools in FNQ which just got shut down due to mismanagement?
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I know next to nothing about education subjects, but as I recall about a discussion on Something Awful years ago (I think it might've been in the 'Three Olives posts big political threads in GBS' days) that outlinedthe conflict about phonics. It's a very similar conflict to the direct instruction vs. more involved education; phonics is all about teaching pronunciation and just baseline ability to read words, as opposed to a more holistic view of teaching language and speech. The best way I can describe it is to go with a worst-case extreme example: we're either talking about someone who knows how to sound words out but not what they mean, compared to someone that knows how to read and comprehend words but not say them understandably. They're both important, but lose something without the other. A heavy focus on phonics to the detriment of reading comprehension would, similarly to direct instruction, be a much easier to teach course that wouldn't do a whole lot to help the students who most need it. There's also an element of racism in this one, when you take into account it would necessarily punish kids who don't speak English at home and neighborhoods where ebonics and other sorts of 'unproper' speech are common.
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Brown Paper Bag posted:Wasn't Noel Pearson running direct instruction schools in FNQ which just got shut down due to mismanagement? https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/nov/11/noel-pearson-pulls-education-group-out-of-aurukun-school-in-queensland Talking to the school teacher in the house - very much in agreement with MM. Did caution though that although it's just 'rote' learning there are just people that learn best under this method. Never using it as an approach if that is what suits a person best isn't that great either. edit: is what I'm told. Graic Gabtar fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Graic Gabtar posted:Phone posting so no preview - sorry. It does work for things like lectures, anything you need to take notes for or whatever. Its good for facts learning, delivered by a human Wikipedia article. However, it doesn't do well to foster intuition, critical thinking skills and so on. Explaining how Pythagoras works isn't as helpful as trying and failing to come up with an answer yourself. Imagine trying to conduct an English class and using this to teach interpretation and creativity to kids. It might work for verbs, grammar, punctuation but it's not going to work for the green light shimmering from Daisy's pier or Holden Caulfield's fantasy of children running through wheatfields.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Phone posting so no preview - sorry. That's very true, yeah. I've taught kids who just sat there and absorbed information and then, when it came to assessment time, just knocked it out of the park. I've taught at a school where direct instruction was the norm and it was definitely an eye-opener, there were kids there who just sort of flailed about when I put lesson activities more into their hands.
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asio posted:Socialism is basically liberalism with a quieter boot. Only anarcho-syndicalism will decentralise the human race quickly and equitably enough to save us from global warming. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
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cohsae posted:Remember reading an Australian piece not long ago, they found plenty of first and second generation non-white immigrants/refugees in western Sydney who were all totally onboard with our gross immigration policies because they were all afraid they would suffer economically without those policies protecting their jobs and services. Schrodinger's immigrant - one who steals both your job and your welfare payment....
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Milky Moor posted:That's very true, yeah. I've taught kids who just sat there and absorbed information and then, when it came to assessment time, just knocked it out of the park. I've taught at a school where direct instruction was the norm and it was definitely an eye-opener, there were kids there who just sort of flailed about when I put lesson activities more into their hands. That sounds a bit awful tbh. Some need to see, some need to talk, some need to analyse and some need to do, to absorb information effectively. Most of us are a mixture of all of that, with one thing predominating maybe. How we learn to choose those ways is probably a PhD thesis, but forcing everyone into one model is terrible. As a child I was frightened into it, and that took me years to unlearn. He's not dumb, but they sure are.
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Anidav posted:I still can't get over more minorities voting for Trump. Romney didn't have nearly as toxic attitudes but 2% more latinos and 2% more African Americans voted for Trump than Romney. it's almost as if they don't define themselves and their politics entirely on their own race
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DI seems a particularly poor use of class resources now given that a student receptive to it can literally just get it from a billion trivially easy to access sources
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One of the reasons Roberts and friends are cheering is that Myron Ebell will run the transition team for the American Environmental Protection Agency. Ebell is one of the key strategists behind climate denial, he learnt it by working for the tobacco companies (yep, one of those guys). So whatever he comes up with is likely to be copied here feverishly. It's difficult to know just what damage that will do.
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ewe2 posted:He's not dumb, but they sure are.
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Solemn Sloth posted:DI seems a particularly poor use of class resources now given that a student receptive to it can literally just get it from a billion trivially easy to access sources (Graduating) Teacher here. One typical implementation of DI is a six step process (also called Rosenshine's Teaching Functions) for which it's pretty important to have an actual teacher, or at least a very sophisticated adaptive process. In truth, we're getting there with these kinds of processes but they're best used when assigned as homework or with a teacher present to assist rather than provide the bulk of instruction. The six step process is: 1. Review and check previous work. 2. Present new material. 3. Provide guided practice (worked examples) 4. Give feedback and correctives 5. Provide independent practice (non-worked examples) 6. Review weekly and monthly to consolidate Steps 1 and 4 are the hardest to automate, and proper application of step 1 also influences the way that new material will be presented in step 2, and what guided practice is provided in step 3, as students learn best when their learning is built upon what they already know, and also challenging enough that they can't do it themselves without a little help. Working in these conditions is actually mentally exhausting for students, and teachers need to be on hand to keep them on task. Feedback and correctives provided to students also influences the difficulty of the independent practice tasks for students to do in step 5, and without scheduled consolidation in step 6 the skills will be quickly forgotten. This can be scheduled automatically, but requires the students to continue actually using the software, which just won't happen unless a teacher is keeping them at it. The teacher's role with so many online resources available is starting to become the act of curating all this online content so that they select something that is appropriate for the level of the students. This can be a huge amount of work. The take-home message is that you can't just dismiss DI as being watching videos or even things like Codecademy, Duolingo, Khan Academy and so on. These are tools to assist but not the only means of implementing DI, and using these alone won't be effective in making sure that students' time is well spent. bobvonunheil fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Lol Malcuck Prepbull has been banned from the gay and lesbian mardigras
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Dont talk to me or my parade ever again
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There's a by election in Orange today and so far the Nats are looking down the barrel of a 36% swing against them.
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adamantium|wang posted:There's a by election in Orange today and so far the Nats are looking down the barrel of a 36% swing against them. According to my Labor politician mate it's more like 60%. Pity it's going to the Shooters and rooters party.
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I'm not sure it's an improvement with a member of the Shooters Party picking up all the slack.
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adamantium|wang posted:There's a by election in Orange today and so far the Nats are looking down the barrel of a 36% swing against them. What did they do to cause that?
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gay picnic defence posted:What did they do to cause that? Protest vote against the Nationals supporting the Greyhound ban, amongst other things, apparently
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On the other hand I'm glad to see Labor's passionate defense of dog killing has worked out well for them
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NTRabbit posted:Protest vote against the Nationals supporting the Greyhound ban, amongst other things, apparently Also the upcoming merger with Blayney and Carbonne councils I believe - the mergers have never been popular in the country.
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NTRabbit posted:Protest vote against the Nationals supporting the Greyhound ban, amongst other things, apparently Its nice to know backing down on a good thing showed Baird's spine.
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