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Cythereal posted:The sinking of the Lusitania is one of those situations where I blame pretty much everyone involved in it happening and what lead to it happening except the victims. The truly tragic fact is, the captain commanding the u-boat sinking the Lusitania was honestly convinced he was attacking a military transport ship. He even consulted a specialist on his ship. Apparently they looked the silhouette up in a British book of ships to be extra sure. Too bad the drafted sister ship of the Lusitania they thought they had caught transporting troops was in the Mediterranean at the time. When after the Lusitania was hit, tons of civilians, including babies, dropped into the water to drown, the crew of the u-boat was shocked. Still, this means the Lusitania would have been torpedoed and sunk regardless of her status. Her transporting ammunition (which was what probably caused the massive explosion speeding up her destruction), was just this one little cosmic joke to make things much, much worse.
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Kellsterik posted:Murdering civilians is bad even when the laws of war say it's cool. counterpoint: murdering civilians is cool and good
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StashAugustine posted:counterpoint: murdering civilians is cool and good easy there Genghis
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Don't kid yourseIf, if a civilian had the chance, he'd kill you and everyone you care about!
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Yeah, after all every soldier in history was a civilian once.
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Jan 2, 2017 12:45
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Is there a good list for interesting military podcasts?
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Going to visit the USS Midway later today. I was on a carrier museum in South Carolina when I was little, but I don't really remember it too well. Anyone have anything specific on this shipseum I should check out?
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They've got some baller early WW2 aircraft. Not too many places left to see a good condition SBD. One of the others is the Chicago Mudway airport, for obvious reasons.
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brugroffil posted:Going to visit the USS Midway later today. I was on a carrier museum in South Carolina when I was little, but I don't really remember it too well. Poster Bro Enlai was actually just there days ago, might be worth asking about current exhibits: Bro Enlai posted:Stopped by the USS Midway yesterday. Nice collection!
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mlmp08 posted:Military History. This post makes me sad, and aroused. Very confusing.
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mlmp08 posted:Military History. Well, Turkey, Iran, Japan and I guess Greece are still flying their Phantoms.
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Jan 2, 2017 15:30
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None will ever look as cool as the old BRD phantoms. Their livery just fits that frame somehow.
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I keep waiting for the SAM in your avatar to hit the plane, and it never does.
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quick question: did torpedo bombing in ww2 ever stop being a really dangerous ordeal for the pilots?
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Attacking warships is really loving dangerous no matter how you go about it. They shoot back. Fun factoid: The last known combat employment of air-dropped torpedoes was during Korea, when USN AD-4 Skyraiders attacked and heavily damaged the Hwacheon dam. http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/skyraiders-torpedo-the-hwachon-dam/
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What are some wars in which mercenaries played the deciding role? I'm particularly interested in the middle ages.Stairmaster posted:quick question: did torpedo bombing in ww2 ever stop being a really dangerous ordeal for the pilots? Quick answer: No. It always sucked.
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Stairmaster posted:quick question: did torpedo bombing in ww2 ever stop being a really dangerous ordeal for the pilots? No, if anything it got more dangerous (if not basically suicidal) as people got better at shooting down aircraft, and CAP tactics evolved. See e.g. the Marianas "Turkey Shoot".
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The US developed a standoff glide-torpedo with a 25 mile range in 1943. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT-1_(missile) Pretty fascinating, it was actually used in combat towards the end of the war.
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Tias posted:What are some wars in which mercenaries played the deciding role? I'm particularly interested in the middle ages. Have you met Forums Poster HeyGal?
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Tias posted:What are some wars in which mercenaries played the deciding role? I'm particularly interested in the middle ages. I'm surprised this hasn't already summoned HeyGal.
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Fact: if you say "wallenstein" three times while looking in the mirror with the lights out a spectral wall of text about windows and pikemen appears before you.
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the question, tias, is what you mean by "deciding factor," since mercenaries have been on both sides of many medieval conflicts in western europe, all early modern conflicts in western europe, and some post-ww2 ones around the globe. do you mean wars in which one side had mercenaries and the other one did not? wars in which the mercenaries did something spectacularly interesting?
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HEY GAL posted:the question, tias, is what you mean by "deciding factor," since mercenaries have been on both sides of many medieval conflicts in western europe, all early modern conflicts in western europe, and some post-ww2 ones around the globe. do you mean wars in which one side had mercenaries and the other one did not? wars in which the mercenaries did something spectacularly interesting? Why not tell us about the second one anyway. 
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I came across a HEY GAL-esque scenario. "As Guards Senior Political Chief Vostrenkov left the comradely supper, he forgot his guitar, which was taken by Guards Senior Lieutenant Morozov. Upon the return of Guards Senior Political Chief Vostrenkov and Dedkovskiy for the guitar, Morozov opposed the return of the guitar to the latter, attempting to claim it for himself, claiming that the guitar belonged to the battery. Having had drink, an argument broke out over the guitar, which ended up in rudeness and insults towards one another. The aforementioned fact triggered an investigation, which established that: * Representative of the Special Department, Guards Senior Lieutenant Dedkovskiy began the rudeness and insults towards Morozov. Dedkovskiy attempted to start a brawl, applied physical force, and attempted to apply a weapon to Morozov, but was detained by his comrades. Dedkovskiy grabbed Morozov by the collar, hit hit in the ear with his TT pistol and yelled "I will shoot you". To Morozov's question "who do you think you are", Dedkovskiy replied "I am the special department chief", which was above his rank. During the investigation, he responded falsely, pretending that someone knocked out his tooth and there were two shots fired, which the investigation could not confirm. * Guards Sr Lieutenant Morozov attempted to claim someone else's guitar, and in response to Dedkovskiy's use of a weapon ran away to the battery and called the guards to restrain Dedkovskiy." Edit: the comradely supper itself went well and there were no incidents, which is less HEY GAL-esque.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Edit: the comradely supper itself went well and there were no incidents, which is less HEY GAL-esque. While people were shooting their pistols out the window, IIRC there were other people in the room just having a jolly good natter and paying the firing no heed until the dude got shot; you may wish to consider these what these people's own definition of "a comradely supper which went well and there were no incidents" actually is...
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Stairmaster posted:quick question: did torpedo bombing in ww2 ever stop being a really dangerous ordeal for the pilots? Already answered and stuff, but... Even skip bombing was incredibly dangerous, even against ships that had little to no defenses.
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my favorite part about all incidents like this, 17th century germany or 20th century russia, is that you can just feel that the guy writing it up is doing so through gritted teeth. I wonder if Dedkovsky was a recurring problem for his company?
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Plan Z posted:Looking for some movie identification help. I recently got into History Buffs, a channel that analyzes historical movies. In his Last Samurai video, he shows clips from a movie that look pretty interesting that start around this part. Does anyone know what movie those clips of the Japanese soldiers attacking the castle is from? It looks interesting. Kagemusha. It lists where the clips are from at the end. Its a great Kurosawa film that gets overshadowed by Ran a lot.
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HEY GAL posted:the question, tias, is what you mean by "deciding factor," since mercenaries have been on both sides of many medieval conflicts in western europe, all early modern conflicts in western europe, and some post-ww2 ones around the globe. do you mean wars in which one side had mercenaries and the other one did not? wars in which the mercenaries did something spectacularly interesting? I guess I was thinking wars that were won by out-of-state troops paid to wreck poo poo for money, but I can see that it's probably way too wide a field. I'm shooting for 'particularly interesting', yes!
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WW2 Data Incendiaries, Chemicals, and Smoke, those are the things at play today. What kind of delays did the incendiaries have? How long does it take for a magnesium-alloy-body incendiary to melt? Which bomb is specifically used for targets on water or for oil installations? What should you do if accidentally exposed to a mixture of aluminum laurate, creosole, and napalm? What might cause a smoke bomb to spontaneously go off? All that and more at the blog!
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Didn't a bunch of mercenaries take over an island nation in the Eastern Indian Ocean, the Seychelles or something?
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Mercs gonna merc.
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The Peloponnesian War was part of the rise of mercenaries in the Ancient Mediterranean, and they largely replaced the hoplite militias in most poleis' forces after lightly armed and armored peltasts beat the poo poo out of the Spartans a couple of times. Xenophon's Ten Thousand were mercenaries and were part of a long history of Greeks hiring themselves out as mercenary heavy infantry.
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HEY GAL posted:my favorite part about all incidents like this, 17th century germany or 20th century russia, is that you can just feel that the guy writing it up is doing so through gritted teeth. I wonder if Dedkovsky was a recurring problem for his company? The incident went on his personnel record, which didn't happen to the other guy, so either he was held to a higher standard as an internal affairs officer or his superiors were starting to get enough of his poo poo. Where I can really see the gritted teeth is the Department of Inventions, where well meaning citizens without much of an engineering background sent in their suggestions to help win the war. As you can imagine, 90% of incoming mail was nonsense, and the people answering the letters usually turned down the inventor politely, but not always.
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Have you got any examples of some of those not-so-polite rejections?
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Ensign Expendable posted:90% of incoming mail was nonsense, and the people answering the letters usually turned down the inventor politely, but not always. Imagine if youtube existed then.
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Ensign Expendable posted:The incident went on his personnel record, which didn't happen to the other guy, so either he was held to a higher standard as an internal affairs officer or his superiors were starting to get enough of his poo poo. Okay I am curious at what the nosense suggestions submitted. Like was it just stuff that wouldn't work or completely insane off the wall suggestions?
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Ensign Expendable posted:The incident went on his personnel record, which didn't happen to the other guy, so either he was held to a higher standard as an internal affairs officer or his superiors were starting to get enough of his poo poo. i have encountered a tribunal leaning heavily on a particularly douchey repeat offender (Steter lol) by threatening to charge him under a bunch of stuff that everyone does but that was technically against the Articles of War
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