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What is wrong with intel? Ht to i5 and i3 series? More than 4 cores to i5, more than 2 to i3?! Cores were supposed to be super duper expensive and hard to manufacture, and heat output would get out of control! What next, will they start soldering dies to the hs?
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Paul MaudDib posted:I'm looking at the X99M-WS. The memory QVL is super old (Dec 2015) and it still shows Haswell-E memory speeds (1866/2133). In contrast the EATX version of this board shows support for 32GB Registered ECC modules (256GB = 8x32), and advertises 2400 speeds. QVL's get updated almost never, and often are more an expression of who bothered to pay the vendor to qualify their specific hardware, rather than anything else. Still, if you look at the Dec 15 memory QVL, you'll see this at the top: Samsung M393A2K40BB1-CRC 16GB DDR4-2400 ECC/REG So clearly it does support 2400 speeds and at least 16GB modules. It probably also supports 32GB modules, based on the fact that there are BIOS updates to support v4 processors, but who knows. A few reviews also at least note 128GB support, but don't seem to have actually tried it out to confirm.
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Aug 3, 2017 13:59
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What are they smoking at Gigabyte? My guess is that Intel paid a whole heap of cash to Gigabyte to release this motherboard.
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Aug 3, 2017 14:13
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So this might be a thing - 4C/8T i3: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/core-i3-8300-with-four-cores-and-eight-threads-spotted.html Well then. Budget builds should get a nice boost.
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Aug 3, 2017 16:03
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Budzilla posted:What are they smoking at Gigabyte? My guess is that Intel paid a whole heap of cash to Gigabyte to release this motherboard. I haven't been following intel too well -- the issue is that KabyX is unlikely to sell many units? As in, Broadwell E beats it on value and possibly real-world performance?
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Aug 3, 2017 16:58
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The entire reason Intel gave for Kaby-X to exist--an entry point to the x299 platform--is gone in a Kaby-X -only motherboard. Kaby-X is literally just Kaby Lake slapped on to a piece of silicon that lets it function in the new socket. No additional access to io, etc. With no upgrade path and no benefits, it's just an overpriced 7700k. Correct me if I'm wrong here, guys, but this board seems completely pointless.
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Aug 3, 2017 17:17
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The only reason for that board to exist is for hobby overclockers ~on a budget~ (kind of a contradiction in terms), and maybe so Intel can bundle it with their Retail Edge packages in a few months when they can't flush out their Kaby-X stock.
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Aug 3, 2017 17:56
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So all the pertinent Coffee Lake details leaked from asia, and i highly suggest you read the source after google translate: http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/thread-140322-1-1.html "testicular performance nuclear" is a good marketing slogan. http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-8th-gen-cpu-300-series-platform-details-leak/  Coffee Lake will launch on a "refreshed" Kaby Lake platform, Z370. Later, it will transition to the Cannon Lake PCH (despite... you know... not being Cannon Lake). Cannon Lake PCH seems to be pretty similar except fora a few fancypants features  Still isnt clear what specifically is keeping Coffee Lake form working on Z270. I'm not 100%, but it kind of looks like there are extra PCIe lanes to support the added 6 port USB 3.1 Gen 2 controller. 
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Aug 3, 2017 18:03
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I read that as x24 PCIe lanes from the PCH. The CPU still only has x16.
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Aug 3, 2017 18:19
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Still no word on price? How much for that i3-8300 with 4C/8T at 4GHz?
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Aug 3, 2017 18:33
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likely similar to the i3-7300 which is around $150
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Aug 3, 2017 18:39
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Lowen SoDium posted:I read that as x24 PCIe lanes from the PCH. The CPU still only has x16. Yeah, the redbox wasnt mine. I was thinking the part where it says 30 "high speed IO lanes", but now that I think about it more, youre probably right.
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Aug 3, 2017 18:40
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eames posted:likely similar to the i3-7300 which is around $150 Once again we can thank Ryzen for finally forcing Intel's hand. And I'm so glad I didn't pull the trigger on a 7700K build last month.
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Aug 3, 2017 18:49
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Everything I've read so far suggests that Cannon Lake-S is going to be a Broadwell-esque affair, so it'll kind-of-sort-of come to the desktop but not really because the focus is on mobile. Sadly there's not much info about CNL in those leaks except "300-series chipsets support it".spasticColon posted:Once again we can thank Ryzen for finally forcing Intel's hand. And I'm so glad I didn't pull the trigger on a 7700K build last month. Yeah that'll be a very significant price drop if you ignore overclocking capability.
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Aug 3, 2017 18:50
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eames posted:Yeah that'll be a very significant price drop if you ignore overclocking capability. With 4GHz base clocks and modern Intel IPC I'm very comfortable ignoring overclocking.
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Aug 3, 2017 18:54
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eames posted:Everything I've read so far suggests that Cannon Lake-S is going to be a Broadwell-esque affair, so it'll kind-of-sort-of come to the desktop but not really because the focus is on mobile. Sadly there's not much info about CNL in those leaks except "300-series chipsets support it". Yeah, there were rumors that it won't ever come to desktop, skipping straight to Ice Lake. 10nm really has been a disaster for Intel.
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Aug 3, 2017 19:07
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I feel like the addition of built-in wireless is cool but I still don't see a reason to upgrade from Sandy Bridge.
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Aug 3, 2017 22:55
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Tab8715 posted:I feel like the addition of built-in wireless is cool but I still don't see a reason to upgrade from Sandy Bridge. Threadripper?
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Aug 3, 2017 23:14
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Tab8715 posted:I feel like the addition of built-in wireless is cool but I still don't see a reason to upgrade from Sandy Bridge. Let me tell you about average minimum frametimes and the perceived smoothness in games that comes from a combination of a new processor architecture and G-Sync monitor trust me they're both worth a combined $3000 
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Aug 3, 2017 23:22
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Tab8715 posted:I feel like the addition of built-in wireless is cool but I still don't see a reason to upgrade from Sandy Bridge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4chk3fWb6xI if ur gamin, some games offer good jumps. if you have an old vid card, thats almost always gonna be the far more important replacement though.
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Aug 3, 2017 23:31
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Twerk from Home posted:With 4GHz base clocks and modern Intel IPC I'm very comfortable ignoring overclocking. 
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Aug 4, 2017 05:36
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Uh, welcome to 2014? I'm seriously contemplating getting a spare cheap-and-cheerful H81 ITX mobo for my 4790K before new stock becomes impossible to find (and I can boast my retro rig 10 years down the road). And yeah Intel seems to in a headless chicken mode, especially when Apple-sponsored TSMC is about to or has already leapfrogging them in pure process tech.
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Aug 4, 2017 06:01
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Palladium posted:And yeah Intel seems to in a headless chicken mode, especially when Apple-sponsored TSMC is about to or has already leapfrogging them in pure process tech.  (reminder that these are basically just marketing terms for the various processes, Intel's 14nm is more like other companies 12-10nm) Everyone is getting closer though, for sure. Intel had an absurd process lead, but the failed 10nm process has eaten up close to 2 years now. The lead meant they essentially ran into the technology wall first. Just like all other really derived technologies, you eventually reach a point where every tiny gain costs unreal sums of time and money to achieve. Or sometimes isn't possible at all. For real 7nm, everyone basically needs EUV to work, which looked shaky for like a decade there. The machinery exists now, finally. Now its going to be a race to see who can actually make a product with it that works and has realistic margins. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see everyone stall out again here.
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Cygni posted:For real 7nm, everyone basically needs EUV to work, which looked shaky for like a decade there. The machinery exists now, finally. Now its going to be a race to see who can actually make a product with it that works and has realistic margins. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see everyone stall out again here. I like how those guys have "5nm" on their 3 year roadmap. It'll be interesting to see when quantum tunneling comes into play and how it is dealt with. Khorne fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Aug 4, 2017 12:07
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I was under the impression that people are still trying to get the pellicles right so they don't melt immediately.
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Aug 4, 2017 19:46
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eames posted:That'd be interesting as an unlocked K version, 7700K performance with an i3 at half the price. lol the logo looks like an eagle flexing.
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Aug 5, 2017 13:08
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inkwell posted:I was under the impression that people are still trying to get the pellicles right so they don't melt immediately. It works, but not at the beam levels they want in order to get 300 wafers per hour through it.
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:lol the logo looks like an eagle flexing. the most tired yawning eagle
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Aug 5, 2017 17:59
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:lol the logo looks like an eagle flexing.  If you're not familiar... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PosO-RO74ZY Edit: I'm sorry that I apparently killed this good and cool thread. mcbexx fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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Intel dropped some info on the $2000 i9. It can hit 4.4 ghz on the fastest two cores and again costs $2000 which is twice the 16c/32t threadripper. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11698/intel-finalizes-skylakex-processor-specifications-18cores-44-ghz-165w-on-september-25th
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And the 16C/32T Threadripper hits 4.2 on four cores? Okay, Intel. You keep doing whatever it is you think you're doing.
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Now Intel is being coy with the release date for the 4C/8T i3: https://www.techpowerup.com/235885/intel-core-i3-8300-detailed-first-quad-core-i3 "Intel could launch Core i3 "Coffee Lake" processors only by late-2017 or early-2018." Also, the 300 series boards will top out at 24 PCIe lanes from the PCH, just like the Z270. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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Aug 8, 2017 04:24
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The idea of 4C/8T i3s up against 4C/4T and 6C/6T i5s is astounding. I really want to know what Intel thinks they're doing these days.
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I think they're just throwing poo poo at the wall, and seeing what sticks right now.
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Kazinsal posted:The idea of 4C/8T i3s up against 4C/4T and 6C/6T i5s is astounding. I don't think there are any 4/4 Coffee Lake i5s, if the rumors are true.
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Yeah, I think the i5s are going to be 6C/6T, with the only difference being clock speed and whether they're unlocked. I do think Intel's smart/stupid enough to not launch the i3s while they still have 7700(K)s to sell, though. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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Anyone else think intel is going to get stomped in the 12core plus range given the anemic base clock speeds and turbo boost only working on 2 cores?
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Scarecow posted:Anyone else think intel is going to get stomped in the 12core plus range given the anemic base clock speeds and turbo boost only working on 2 cores? They still have all core turbo. For the 18-core it is 3.4GHz. The 7900X is rated 4GHz all core and reviewers were having trouble to get them to not run at 4.5GHz all cores at stock because most motherboards are using custom turbo curves by default. Everyone is freaking out over the base clocks but Intel processors literally never run at them with the possible exception of AVX512 which is so drat fast in applicable workloads that the clocks don't really matter.
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Has the "Hey look we have the fastest hedt chip on the market" strawman ever been so brazen before?
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Potato Salad posted:Has the "Hey look we have the fastest hedt chip on the market" strawman ever been so brazen before? I think at this point Intel just realizes it has the bankroll to eat a little crow this time around on a market segment that means pretty much nothing to them. EPYC might poo poo on them in the mid-range server market, but you'd better believe the NSA et al are still going Team Blue.
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